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[DuskRaider]

9 hours ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

 

How they butchered titanicus to basically re-promote titans with LI is such a tragedy. Idk if even the optimized GW release schedule can undo the damage of yanking pre-existing product for over a year. 

 

$10 the titans are going to be pushed out the same time as the solar aux shadow sword and the rest to provide each other targets and use cases. 

They literally gimped themselves with the delay and their refusal to re-release existing product earlier for those who still play the games that are tied to aforementioned product. They then release an expansion which focuses on Titans and don’t re-release any Titans to coincide with the expansion. 
 

Original Warhounds are hen’s teeth these days. You can’t even find them on eBay unless you want to drop $170+ on a Starter Set and even then you’re only getting two. 
 

I pointed out months ago that GW has willingly sacrificed Titanicus for what I thought would be an inferior game and so far I feel like I was right. I’m not saying that LI is a bad game, it isn’t… but it is incomplete, and in the meantime they’ve made it nigh impossible to play AT, and I have a feeling that despite what they’ve previously stated, the system is in fact dead. We may get more weaponry or perhaps a new model to coincide with LI, but for all intents and purposes AT is dead. 

[Sword Brother Adelard]

1 hour ago, Matrindur said:

€ prices.

Bad news, the drop pods are as expensive as expected.

Good news apparently the Warbringer and Warmaster (not sure if only one version or they combined the normal and Iconoclast version into one box) are coming this week too even thought they weren't in the preorder article  

 

 

I suspect it isn't the Iconoclast, but if it is, that would be a lovely change. 

[Xenith]

Great to see the new warhound loadouts and the Dire Wolves released, hopefully I can just snag a new weapon sprue for the former, I dont think I need more hounds...

[Firedrake Cordova]

Ooh, the Arvus Lighters are in that lot.  

 

I suppose the question is - I already have 4 of the Forgeworld ones ... do I get the plastic ones, on the basis that they'll be less annoying to deal with? (this decision would be much easier if they were £15 for 4 ) 

[Sword Brother Adelard]

25 minutes ago, Xenith said:

Great to see the new warhound loadouts and the Dire Wolves released, hopefully I can just snag a new weapon sprue for the former, I dont think I need more hounds...

 

They'll also be far cheaper to buy second hand, as the people buying multiple starter boxes are flogging them off really cheap.

[Matcap86]

1 hour ago, DuskRaider said:

They literally gimped themselves with the delay and their refusal to re-release existing product earlier for those who still play the games that are tied to aforementioned product. They then release an expansion which focuses on Titans and don’t re-release any Titans to coincide with the expansion. 
 

Original Warhounds are hen’s teeth these days. You can’t even find them on eBay unless you want to drop $170+ on a Starter Set and even then you’re only getting two. 
 

I pointed out months ago that GW has willingly sacrificed Titanicus for what I thought would be an inferior game and so far I feel like I was right. I’m not saying that LI is a bad game, it isn’t… but it is incomplete, and in the meantime they’ve made it nigh impossible to play AT, and I have a feeling that despite what they’ve previously stated, the system is in fact dead. We may get more weaponry or perhaps a new model to coincide with LI, but for all intents and purposes AT is dead. 

 

I Disagree. If it was dead they wouldn't go through the trouble of adding Titancius Control panels to all the reboxed stuff. Usually cards and printed items are the first thing GW scraps, so to have them go out of their way to add those into the boxes seems they're not dismissing the game.

 

Besides that we're now seeing the first rereleases of Titans. Yes it was annoying that they got pulled, (Though a lot of my FLGS still have a bunch in stock). Yes lack of communication is, as always, an issue with GW. But declaring a game dead because there was a 3-6 month break in releases/stock availability seems a bit much. 

 

Seems more like they've had one hell of a mishap happen, that caused a bunch of stuff to get delayed, rescheduled, or lost even and they're still playing catch up, causing stuff to be unavailable for longer than anticipated. 

[Marshal Rohr]

The stock issues are certainly impacting Legiones and Titanicus, and the frankly asinine managerial decisions they’ve been making for several years are extremely frustrating to existing players. I don’t think Legiones or Titanicus are Dead though. I’m still buying what I can. The communities still have lots of presence on social media. The stock that does become available sells out. 
 

It is a situation that doesn’t feel good for any of us, but if it truly was unsuccessful for the company financially they would cut it entirely like they’ve done with other products. If anything the success of the Old World has put Specialist Games in the precarious position of having too many games that are financially successful, if stock issues indicate what they have made is selling out. Opinions on game quality or size of the communities can vary, but someone is buying what they are making. 

Edited March 25 by Marshal Rohr

[SkimaskMohawk]

Glad I was wrong about the titan rerelease order somewhat. The warmaster should help subsidize the cost of 3k games and reduce the frankly silly levels of activations you can see at those levels.

[DuskRaider]

2 hours ago, Matcap86 said:

 

I Disagree. If it was dead they wouldn't go through the trouble of adding Titancius Control panels to all the reboxed stuff. Usually cards and printed items are the first thing GW scraps, so to have them go out of their way to add those into the boxes seems they're not dismissing the game.

 

Besides that we're now seeing the first rereleases of Titans. Yes it was annoying that they got pulled, (Though a lot of my FLGS still have a bunch in stock). Yes lack of communication is, as always, an issue with GW. But declaring a game dead because there was a 3-6 month break in releases/stock availability seems a bit much. 

 

Seems more like they've had one hell of a mishap happen, that caused a bunch of stuff to get delayed, rescheduled, or lost even and they're still playing catch up, causing stuff to be unavailable for longer than anticipated. 

I mean more so that we will probably never see another expansion for Titanicus itself. Printing out data slates is easy for GW. Let’s see more rules and a progression of the timeline for AT, which I doubt they will. Hell, we haven’t even seen kits for Possessed Titans and those rules have existed for years now. 
 

AT is for all intents and purposes dead. They will release the slates for the updated Dire Wolves and if we get any more Titan chassis or weapons but otherwise we will get nothing else. Hell, my Knight Household is one of the poster children for Traitors since the release of the game and they still don’t have their own rules nor do I believe they ever will. I’d love to be proven wrong, though. 

[apologist]

Pleased to see the Land Raiders coming up for order. Along with the Predators in a separate box, those are the last of the key tanks I want in my army.

 

Vague musing – Much like Necromunda, Epic: Legions seems to have come out of the gate stuttering, and leaning heavily on nostalgia to keep going after the initial 'Wow!' has worn off. Likewise the bit-part patchwork way of releasing rules is similar.

 

I'd be interested to spool ahead a couple of years and see what state the game is in; what's still outstanding (or upcoming) in terms of releases, whether more complete army lists are available in a single place etc. From what I can see, Necromunda is in a much healthier position, and there's some really creative material being developed for it. Whatever the underlying causes of this game's growing pains, I hope Epic gets to a similar place.

[Interrogator Stobz]

16 hours ago, Piousservant said:

 

 

Only people with more money than sense are going to be buying the drop pods,  they're crazy extortionate even by GW standards. Land raiders and the arty are far more interesting, though given GW stocking these days I'm sure they'll all sell out (agree probably not the warhounds though, might have been different if they'd actually released it with the old weapons).

 

Genuinely for me personally, I had planned for my BA LI force to be all plastic but the drop pods have pushed me over the rubicon 3dprint-icus...

 

Lolz, ironically due to the glacial release schedule and abominable supply issues, my hobby fund is greater than my sense.

I'll be getting 3 boxes of Pods and another of Dread pods once they 'drop'...in a year or so. 

[Burni]

What’s the scuttlebutt from UK FLGS’s on stock levels this time? Haven’t seen a Dark Sphere register your interest form go up, so is there expected to be plenty to go around?

 

I want 3-4 boxes of Drop Pods ideally (sold off my AdMech to fund my tiny Legion).

[Mandragola]

I might pick up a few of these things. Definitely the land raiders and possibly some dire wolves, mainly for the AT terminals. I've got a vague idea of making a Solaria force with all the spare Warhounds I accidentally seem to own.

 

I don't know how well the LI release is going. Most stuff seems to be in stock right now at least. The support box and book I ordered direct from GW finally arrived last week, having been delayed by me including the WH+ mini in the order - which they don't actually have in stock. It took them quite a while to fix that one and send me my stuff.

 

I could probably afford a couple of drop pod boxes but the idea of building them scares me a bit. Are those five individually opening doors? I don't want to know how many pieces those kits have but I'm sure they could have saved us some time and effort by just having the doors open flat, as a single piece on maybe 2 pods, then have a third on the sprue with opening doors if they really wanted.

[DuskRaider]

At the price point it’s going to cost a mint to make a full Drop Pod formation. You’re looking at 2 bases of Marines or 1 Dreadnought per Pod. The amount you would need to field anything other than a tiny complimentary Formation would be ludicrous IMO. That’s not even taking into account the Shield or Missile Pods which I would assume one would want at least a few of each to support their Troops. 

[SkimaskMohawk]

Ya, a box of normal pods can carry 8 stands of non-bulky infantry. That's the same as a thunderhawk and less than storm eagles for the same cost, but those have a bunch of guns and are assault vehicles. A box of rhinos carries 20 stands and can actually be divvied up past two minimum sized units. 

 

Even a minimum sized drop pod assault still runs you 120 cad in pods.

[Marshal Rohr]

1 hour ago, DuskRaider said:

At the price point it’s going to cost a mint to make a full Drop Pod formation. You’re looking at 2 bases of Marines or 1 Dreadnought per Pod. The amount you would need to field anything other than a tiny complimentary Formation would be ludicrous IMO. That’s not even taking into account the Shield or Missile Pods which I would assume one would want at least a few of each to support their Troops. 

This is first big example where the pricing model for SG is an exceptionally poor return on value. 

[DuskRaider]

8 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

This is first big example where the pricing model for SG is an exceptionally poor return on value. 

Yeah, having a 6 point model only come 4 to a box and still cost $50 is a bit insane, though I think we all saw it coming. While the infantry is also very cheap points wise in what I think is an expensive box, you still get a good amount out of it. This is just insanity. 
 

I suppose if you intend to build it up over time it would be a little easier to do, but your still looking at $300+ in just Drop Pods. 

[vadersson]

Hmm, artillery.  I may have to at least dip my toe back in Legions.  Of course I still have gotten nothing new from my FLGS when they said that some of my previous order shipped last week.  I may try and keep at legions, but just be more selective in my purchases.  That said I would really like 2 boxes of artillery.

[Interrogator Stobz]

23 hours ago, DuskRaider said:

At the price point it’s going to cost a mint to make a full Drop Pod formation. You’re looking at 2 bases of Marines or 1 Dreadnought per Pod. The amount you would need to field anything other than a tiny complimentary Formation would be ludicrous IMO. That’s not even taking into account the Shield or Missile Pods which I would assume one would want at least a few of each to support their Troops. 

Yep, really really expensive. 

 

At 3k points, among other airmobile and aircraft units, I'm now building towards 6 THawks for things that need to assault like Levis, 4 dread pods for shooty dreads, 6 pods for my token shooty infantry Demi, and the 2 spare pods as Deathstorm for the lolz.

 

But, there's no way I could do that in 32mm scale, so why not?

 

My Son is getting so many Solar tanks we're having an Arms Race... well, in our minds, nothing SM other than Spartans are available here still.

[Black Cohort]

do you even need drop pods?  How many players for LI are going to care if you have stuff in drop pods but don't physically have the drop pod models?

[Interrogator Stobz]

That's a great point, and a quick proxy with a large dice or chunk of something similar sized to a pod. They sure don't do a hell of a lot once down.

That single turret bolter shot will show the enemy who's boss, and their shadow will block LoS to everyone lolz.

Edited March 27 by Interrogator Stobz

[SkimaskMohawk]

9 minutes ago, Black Cohort said:

do you even need drop pods?  How many players for LI are going to care if you have stuff in drop pods but don't physically have the drop pod models?

 

Probably easier to call the formation raven guard and get infiltrate for free than pay points for a model and work around not having the model. The initial scatter uses the pod, the disembark is from each pod, they prevent people from getting to close without charge, they contribute towards objectives, they shoot. Kinda like not using the models for rhinos in a lot of ways.

[Interrogator Stobz]

Best reason for Drop Pods is they look cool 

[Marshal Rohr]

1 hour ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

Best reason for Drop Pods is they look cool 

I bought a bunch of Buzz Lightyear pods and Star Wars micromachines specifically to do a Planetstrike scenario!

[Matrindur]

3 hours ago, Black Cohort said:

do you even need drop pods?  How many players for LI are going to care if you have stuff in drop pods but don't physically have the drop pod models?

I'll probably buy one or two boxes so I can put one actual drop pod in each group on the board so its easier to spot and for line of sight stuff, just token or dice could be easy to overlook. So for example if I want to drop 6 drop pods at one location, 1-2 of them will be real drop pod models but the other 4 can just be tokens or something like that