[BC] The Blackest Heart (OOC)

[Necronaut]

 

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I'll be giving a few more bits and bobs for folks to handle narrative direction as things are pulled together to get you back on the path before we close it up for recess.

 

[Machine God]

Kraggan bought Whirlwind of Death a Tier Two talent of Khorne. Does that mean that Kraggan's alignment track to Khorne increases by 2?

[Mazer Rackham]

 

Kraggan bought Whirlwind of Death a Tier Two talent of Khorne. Does that mean that Kraggan's alignment track to Khorne increases by 2?

 

Yes. If you had Khorne 1, it's now Khorne 2.

[Xin Ceithan]

Story still keeping the momentum, I see! Very nice work, brothers!

 

I replaced the Placeholders on the Focus Tests now - I tried to give them a bit of the structure along the ritual, but I seem to have misremembered the exact number of placeholders. Apparently I was better at keeping up with posting than I thought? 
 

Anyway, I promised this would be in before “ Interceptor City” and, voila! 

[Mazer Rackham]

Thanks for the great posts so far gents, just to be transparent, once everyone has had a chance to throw in their lot, we drop the game properly into recess.

 

We officially shut down at 0000Hrs GMT Thursday 10 October.

 

Many thanks for coming this far!

 

Edited October 7 by Mazer Rackham
Last Orders ETA

[Trokair]

 

Alignment Shifts:

At the start of this, I said your purchases do not affect your alignment (so to speak) but do count for alignment for things you do, and this continues. You will see how this works now.

• Characters with Alignment Points in Opposition to Slaanesh (Khorne, Nurgle) gain +1 point to the Alignment of their Preference.
• Characters who are completely Unaligned suffer no boon, nor detriment.
• Characters with Alignment Points in Alliance with Slaanesh (Slaanesh, Tzeentch) lose -1 Point of Alignment.

So, for example:

• if you have Khorne 1, you now have Khorne 2
• If you have Unaligned all the way down, you lose nothing, but gain nothing
• If you Have Slaanesh 2, you now have Slaanesh 1

Note that this does not affect your talents. Everything you bought and paid for still works without problem, it's just your Alignment that now shifts. This of course will begin to affect your Talent and Skills choices in the same way as purchasing does. This may also have consequences on Party interactions as you begin to slide around on the frenemies charts. My intention is to make this about what you do, not what you buy.

 

Is this before or after we spend unspent XP?
Tarh has 800  XP unspent right now and that could change his Allingment quite a bit. He is currently Unalligned 3.

[Lysimachus]

 

Tarh has 800 XP unspent right now

 

I can never seem to do this, I always find something to spend it on immediately! I'm very impressed at your self-control! 

 

Just checking, Marines are now on 1000xp (500 starting and 500 earned) and mortals are on 1500xp (1000 starting and 500 earned), right?

 

 

[A.T.]

 

Just checking, Marines are now on 1000xp (500 starting and 500 earned) and mortals are on 1500xp (1000 starting and 500 earned), right?

 

Correct

[Trokair]

 

I can never seem to do this, I always find something to spend it on immediately! I'm very impressed at your self-control! 

 

I think there was 500xp thing I was intending to get as my next pick, but by the time the extra 250 rolled round after the prologue I had forgotten the plan so just hang onto that XP as well.

[Mazer Rackham]

No change for you @Trokair. I checked your sheet before implementing the Alignment Shift 'rewards' (ha!) and saw you were Unaligned. You suffer no change. You're still neutral.

[Necronaut]

@Trokair @Mazer Rackham

[Trokair]

 

 

@Trokair - Yes, but will that Autocannon work after Ten Thousand Years? 

 

 

I am sure that as a good Iron Warrior Haddad would have kept it in exccelent condition. 

 

So the question becomes, did he survive to do so? 

[Trokair]

 

@Trokair @Mazer Rackham

 

Is unaligned 'chaos' neutral? 

 

I also feel like there is a distinct and even opposing difference between unaligned being Chaos Undivided (ie follow all in equal measure, such as Word Bearers) and Chaos generalist (for want of a better word, ie those that use it as a tool/are not dedicated to any one god (or even all) such as Night Lords) that is not really explored in the lore.  

[Mazer Rackham]

 

 

Is unaligned 'chaos' neutral? 

 

I also feel like there is a distinct and even opposing difference between unaligned being Chaos Undivided (ie follow all in equal measure, such as Word Bearers) and Chaos generalist (for want of a better word, ie those that use it as a tool/are not dedicated to any one god (or even all) such as Night Lords) that is not really explored in the lore.  

 

Sounds like a chance to find out....

 

If, of course, you don't fall off the tightrope.

[Lysimachus]

 

 

Is unaligned 'chaos' neutral? 

 

I also feel like there is a distinct and even opposing difference between unaligned being Chaos Undivided (ie follow all in equal measure, such as Word Bearers) and Chaos generalist (for want of a better word, ie those that use it as a tool/are not dedicated to any one god (or even all) such as Night Lords) that is not really explored in the lore.  

 

 

Agreed. I half wonder if there should be a ‘Aligned to the Pantheon’ option? It's fairly well known that staying Unaligned just doesn't work as well for efficient character building, which is a shame. Surprised no-one has come up with house rules for their Word Bearers!

 

Spitballing, but maybe something like:

 

Aligned to the Pantheon

 

Costs are always based on the ‘Allied’ line. When spending XP, you can never have more than 2 selections of one God more than any other (i.e. if you had taken 2 Khorne choices, 2 Tzeentch and 2 Slaanesh, you'd then have to take at least 1 Nurgle before you could take a 3rd of any of the others). As usual, Unaligned choices don't count towards this tally.

 

Once you have taken 2 advances for each God, you are considered to be Devoted to Chaos Undivided. All Advances now cost the Allied price -100xp.

 

When rolling for Gifts of the Gods, you can choose 1 of the additional God benefits to apply, whichever you like. You can also choose to roll your Gifts on any of the Gods’ tables (with the exception that you can't take a Mark). Likewise, psykers may select their powers from any God.

 

Once you have 5 of each God's Advances (so 20 in total) you gain the Mark of Chaos Undivided. (Not figured out what that would do yet!)

 

 

Edited October 8 by Lysimachus

[Lord_Ikka]

The Smiler

 

 

[Necronaut]

 

 

 

Agreed. I half wonder if there should be a ‘Aligned to the Pantheon’ option? It's fairly well known that staying Unaligned just doesn't work as well for efficient character building, which is a shame. Surprised no-one has come up with house rules for their Word Bearers!

 

Spitballing, but maybe something like:

 

Aligned to the Pantheon

 

Costs are always based on the ‘Allied’ line. When spending XP, you can never have more than 2 selections of one God more than any other (i.e. if you had taken 2 Khorne choices, 2 Tzeentch and 2 Slaanesh, you'd then have to take at least 1 Nurgle before you could take a 3rd of any of the others). As usual, Unaligned choices don't count towards this tally.

 

Once you have taken 2 advances for each God, you are considered to be Devoted to Chaos Undivided. All Advances now cost the Allied price -100xp.

 

When rolling for Gifts of the Gods, you can choose 1 of the additional God benefits to apply, whichever you like. You can also choose to roll your Gifts on any of the Gods’ tables (with the exception that you can't take a Mark). Likewise, psykers may select their powers from any God.

 

Once you have 5 of each God's Advances (so 20 in total) you gain the Mark of Chaos Undivided. (Not figured out what that would do yet!)

 

 

 

This seems like it would be extremely easy to exploit and would cause serious balance issues in that you could create a character that effectively progresses faster across a broader array of skills and talents than specialized or single-god characters. And I believe this is partly why the designers didn't bother with an "Undivided" alignment or provide support for one.

 

I think it's an interesting idea, but perhaps there's a reason there's only one true champion of Chaos Undivided at a time. I suspect even groups like the Word Bearers lean in one direction or another on an individual basis.

 

I misread "Allied" as "True." Could make for an interesting way to play the game. Unsure about the balance with the Chaos mark but it can't be any more broken than anything else in BC. ;)

Edited October 9 by Necronaut

[Lysimachus]

 

 

I misread "Allied" as "True." Could make for an interesting way to play the game. Unsure about the balance with the Chaos mark but it can't be any more broken than anything else in BC. ;)

 

Oh yeah, True costs -100 would be broken as hell. The idea was to just make it slightly better than Unaligned currently has it, but still not as cheap as if you focus on one God.

[Mazer Rackham]

And....with that gents, we are closed for further IC posts.

 

Go ahead and discuss here as you will. 

[Trokair]

Tarh character sheet has been updated with the stuff from page 19 of this thread; I have also spent 250 XP for Ambidextrous so I can stop worrying about handedness. 550 XP currently saved.

 

For lols I am considering lesser minion of chaos to get a pet (since a few of us already have and I have never played with this part of the rule set before) however I am unsure if I can. Table 2-10 on Page  79 has the prerequisite of Fel 40, while on page 127 in the more detailed description the prerequisite is Fel 35.

Tarh has Fel 38

 

 

 

Edit: first part of placeholder filled in, will work on seconed thne get back to minion development for GM consideration

https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383296-bc-the-blackest-heart-ic/?do=findComment&comment=6069842

 

Edited October 12 by Trokair

[Necronaut]

@Trokair I believe the 35 Fel requirement is correct for a lesser minion. Minions are a lot of fun to build in BC and can take on all manner of shapes and sizes. Enjoy!