[BC] The Blackest Heart (OOC)

[Mazer Rackham]

I've had the odd discussion with other Frater regarding certain characters and psychic powers, most notably the arch-arsonist known as Atesh Sapik, and since I have been in possession of the material for a while and never really used it, I have dropped a supplement into the google drive to allow the Nookies to take a look at it (some of the GM'ing crew will likely be familiar with it).

 

Mr @FabiusV4lcoran have a peek through these to gauge the Pyromancy discipline and we can talk further if you wish. just more food for thought.

[Lysimachus]

Nice. The options for Pyromancy look quite a bit more useful than those in Tome of Fate (if my memory serves, the powers there aren't great?)

[FabiusV4lcoran]

10 hours ago, Machine God said:

 

@FabiusV4lcoran - That means that you should go back and edit the post by putting the  in. 

 

 

Doon.

 

7 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

 

Yep, spot on.

 

Wait...this also means the things I say are both consistent and make sense to my Players...this comes as a shock. Who am I? And what have I done with the real Rackham!!?! 

 

 

Good shout, don't see why not.

 

For your dedication and faith in the Great Tchar, I think +1 Tzeentch Align is appropriate.

Thank you and for your suggestion @Lysimachus!

[FabiusV4lcoran]

2 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

I've had the odd discussion with other Frater regarding certain characters and psychic powers, most notably the arch-arsonist known as Atesh Sapik, and since I have been in possession of the material for a while and never really used it, I have dropped a supplement into the google drive to allow the Nookies to take a look at it (some of the GM'ing crew will likely be familiar with it).

 

Mr @FabiusV4lcoran have a peek through these to gauge the Pyromancy discipline and we can talk further if you wish. just more food for thought.

Exciting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Edit:  Also, sorry for the double-post; I realized I breached etiquette after Id id it.

Edited Wednesday at 06:22 PM by FabiusV4lcoran
Apology

[Mazer Rackham]

36 minutes ago, FabiusV4lcoran said:

Exciting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Edit:  Also, sorry for the double-post; I realized I breached etiquette after Id id it.

 

Quick men, seize this uncouth lout, and perform the ritual soaking of his trousers with green jelly, and unleash the rampaging Wildebeest! 

 

Seriously man, no harm done, don't sweat it. 

[A.T.]

With regards to the equipment list - the lascutter is available, the arc-welder is integrated an so not.

 

The combi-bolter is freshly minted and could be a (limited) custom piece on request. Don't really have the parts to offer anything else yet to the astartes aside from mono-edges but plenty of laspistols if someone wants an overcharged las-handcannon, perhaps even a full on steel-burner if you don't mind losing a finger or two.

[FabiusV4lcoran]

Can you put daemons in laspistols?  X-D

[A.T.]

2 minutes ago, FabiusV4lcoran said:

Can you put daemons in laspistols?  X-D

 

Yes, You'd want a better class of starting pistol, like a daemonic dueling pistol.

[Mazer Rackham]

16 minutes ago, FabiusV4lcoran said:

Can you put daemons in laspistols?  X-D

 

13 minutes ago, A.T. said:

Yes, You'd want a better class of starting pistol, like a daemonic dueling pistol.

 

Things Fabius can no longer do in an RPG Game:

1) Daemons are not batteries

2) Halflings are not currency

3) Toilet bowls cannot, in fact, be fitted with a 'laser buffer for that extra clean feel'

 

More soon - no doubt...

Edited Wednesday at 10:03 PM by Mazer Rackham

[FabiusV4lcoran]

5 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

 

 

Things Fabius can no longer do in an RPG Game:

1) Daemons are not batteries

2) Halflings are not currency

3) Toilet bowls cannot, in fact, be fitted with a 'laser buffer for that extra clean feel'

 

More soon - no doubt...

Wow, I thought TTRPGs were about creative solutions.  MY BAD.

 

No daemonbatteries.....wait are you saying there's NOTHING living that's currency, or specifically halflings?  I mean...this is Chaos, SOME living beings ARE currency.  Otherwise what're we even doing here?!

[Iron Father Ferrum]

I presume these are:

• 64 x .75 Cal Bolt Shells - Boltgun
• 27 x .455 Cal Bolt Shells - Bolt Pistol
• 41 x 1.00 Cal Heavy Bolter Shells - Heavy Bolter

 

Correct?

[Mazer Rackham]

14 minutes ago, Iron Father Ferrum said:

I presume these are:

• 64 x .75 Cal Bolt Shells - Boltgun
• 27 x .455 Cal Bolt Shells - Bolt Pistol
• 41 x 1.00 Cal Heavy Bolter Shells - Heavy Bolter

 

Correct?

 

Nearly.

 

All Astartes Bolters use the same calibre round, .75 (Same as a Peninsular War British musket ball)* so those are Marine rounds. The .455 is human-size bolter ammunition. The 1.00 cal is indeed HB ammo. Resources can also be funneled into munitions production.

 

EDIT: Just to throw a bit more on this - the ammo you used during your intro game will have been replenished, as will anyone in game after Iorek left - so everyone has three full magazines for each weapon they're hauling (one in the weapon, two on your hips).

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:35 AM by Mazer Rackham
* = with the exception of Tigris Pattern, which use .60, but if you've got a Tigris as wargear it just uses 'bolt ammo'.

[Lord_Ikka]

11 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

I've had the odd discussion with other Frater regarding certain characters and psychic powers, most notably the arch-arsonist known as Atesh Sapik, and since I have been in possession of the material for a while and never really used it, I have dropped a supplement into the google drive to allow the Nookies to take a look at it (some of the GM'ing crew will likely be familiar with it).

Interesting. Quite a bit of it is better, or at least seems more than situationally useful, than the normal/Tomes of... powers. I don't think the Smiler is really going down a full psyker route, though that may depend on rolls on the Corruption table, but still fun-looking stuff. 

 

I do want to lean towards rites/rituals and summoning for him. I really liked Iskandar Khayon's use of bound-daemons in the Black Legion novels- the thought of basically having a binding ritual condensed into a card that can then be instantly used seems much more useful in terms of gameplay than trying to work a full-blown ritual into the game. Don't know if it is possible for this game, or how it might impact gameplay (might have to do the full ritual beforehand and then make a control test to deploy?) but it was a thought I had.

[Machine God]

6 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

 

Nearly.

 

All Astartes Bolters use the same calibre round, .75 (Same as a Peninsular War British musket ball)

 

 

The Bolter and the Bolt Pistol use the same calibre round and do the same damage.

The range is less for the Bolt Pistol as it has a shorter barrel length. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 06:52 AM by Machine God
Tidy-up

[Mojake]

Quick request for Rackham - I assume you'll be okay with this based on your dislike for the alignment system but I wanted to check:

 

I've taken Forbidden Lore Xenos as a fluffy advancement to represent Varne's Deathwatch knowledge. Can I count this as an unaligned starting advancement instead of Tzeentch since it's from his pre-renegade days?

[Mazer Rackham]

8 hours ago, Lord_Ikka said:

I do want to lean towards rites/rituals and summoning for him. I really liked Iskandar Khayon's use of bound-daemons in the Black Legion novels- the thought of basically having a binding ritual condensed into a card that can then be instantly used seems much more useful in terms of gameplay than trying to work a full-blown ritual into the game. Don't know if it is possible for this game, or how it might impact gameplay (might have to do the full ritual beforehand and then make a control test to deploy?) but it was a thought I had.

 

It's an interesting idea, I would assume Khayon had certain cards up his sleeve, pardon the pun. I think if you become such a proficient ritualist, and acquire the right know-how and paraphernalia, this is something which could be explored. I agree, I think it would indeed require the ritual to be performed at least once, in order to bind the creature, then as you say, some manner of control test.

 

A mystical deck of cards is no different to the Emperor's Tarot, and I now have mental images of you shuffling a deck of various creatures, all of whom writhe, sneer and snap against the strange prison of a painted frame. A living prison deck, so to speak.

 

Just shuffle past the Queen of Hearts quickly....

 

EDIT: In fact, the more I think about this, the more I wonder whether or not the Minion rules might assist us. So, you 'buy' or summon a minion, bind it, and then carry it around for deployment. This of course would then build in the restriction on how many, and how powerful these minions could be. A temporary deck of deployable assistants which have a 'single use' until recharged or re-acquired. Perhaps merely a warp charge if the Daemon is properly bound.

 

Interesting.

 

Could be a potential Tertiary in a Compact to be discussed.

 

56 minutes ago, Mojake said:

I assume you'll be okay with this based on your dislike for the alignment system...

 

It's more 'frustration', but yes. 

 

56 minutes ago, Mojake said:

I've taken Forbidden Lore Xenos as a fluffy advancement to represent Varne's Deathwatch knowledge. Can I count this as an unaligned starting advancement instead of Tzeentch since it's from his pre-renegade days?

 

Not a problem at all.

Edited 19 hours ago by Mazer Rackham
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[Lysimachus]

1 hour ago, Mazer Rackham said:

 

EDIT: In fact, the more I think about this, the more I wonder whether or not the Minion rules might assist us. So, you 'buy' or summon a minion, bind it, and then carry it around for deployment. This of course would then build in the restriction on how many, and how powerful these minions could be. A temporary deck of deployable assistants which have a 'single use' until recharged or re-acquired. Perhaps merely a warp charge if the Daemon is properly bound.

 

 

Very cool idea. I suppose it could be a balance with Minions having the advantage of being 'always on, always there' so to speak, but they aren't very adaptable, so pretty good at 1 or maybe 2 things but not much else.

 

Whereas the bound daemon cards would require more work to set them up and wouldn't last very long, but you'd be able to choose the one that was ideally suited to the situation you were in?

 

Logically, I don't think you'd be able to have super powerful daemons bound into a simple card (or whatever), but all the beast/ foot soldier daemons seem reasonable and would give you a wide range of options?* (once you had them bound, at least? Maybe there would need to be a cap on how quickly/how often the binding ritual could be done?)

 

*Bloodletter, Flesh Hound, Plague Bearer, Nurglings, Daemonette, Seeker, Horror, Flamer, Screamer - that's quite a good range?

 

 

[Mazer Rackham]

57 minutes ago, Lysimachus said:

Very cool idea. I suppose it could be a balance with Minions having the advantage of being 'always on, always there' so to speak, but they aren't very adaptable, so pretty good at 1 or maybe 2 things but not much else.

 

Yeah, so the menagerie grows in strength and capability with the Character.

 

57 minutes ago, Lysimachus said:

Whereas the bound daemon cards would require more work to set them up and wouldn't last very long, but you'd be able to choose the one that was ideally suited to the situation you were in?

 

Yeah, like Gambit, you pick from the deck.

 

57 minutes ago, Lysimachus said:

Logically, I don't think you'd be able to have super powerful daemons bound into a simple card (or whatever), but all the beast/ foot soldier daemons seem reasonable and would give you a wide range of options?* (once you had them bound, at least? Maybe there would need to be a cap on how quickly/how often the binding ritual could be done?)

 

I think this is the important point. Also would need to to increase difficulty with each step of 'recharge' so they get pulled out when it's necessary, not just, 'hey fido, go fetch' and become the hammer solution to every nail problem. I did think it would be the lesser daemons up for grabs, you certainly couldn't bind a Bloodthirster into one, that would be ridiculous.

 

You'd also have to bear in mind alignment jealousy as well, and summoning them would be the equivalent of a pocket nuclear hand-grenade.

 

57 minutes ago, Lysimachus said:

*Bloodletter, Flesh Hound, Plague Bearer, Nurglings, Daemonette, Seeker, Horror, Flamer, Screamer - that's quite a good range?

 

Yep, that's my thunk.

Edited 17 hours ago by Mazer Rackham

[Necronaut]

@Mazer Rackham @Lysimachus @Lord_Ikka

 

 

IT'S TIME TO D-D-D-D-DUEL!

 

Crux'as activates Bound Daemon!

 

Crux'as is eaten by Bound Daemon!

[Mazer Rackham]

6 minutes ago, Necronaut said:

IT'S TIME TO D-D-D-D-DUEL!

 

Oh, I'm fairly sure that and Pokemon were the original inspiration, along with a touch of MTG.

[Necronaut]

I think we can all agree that sorcerers of any breed are tremendous nerds.

[Machine God]

1 hour ago, Mazer Rackham said:

 

 l did think it would be the lesser daemons up for grabs, you certainly couldn't bind a Bloodthirster into one, that would be ridiculous.

 

 

 

Imagine the Paper Cut! 

 

 

 

 

[Mazer Rackham]

36 minutes ago, Necronaut said:

I think we can all agree that sorcerers of any breed are tremendous nerds.

 

 

[FabiusV4lcoran]

18 hours ago, Lord_Ikka said:

I really liked Iskandar Khayon's use of bound-daemons in the Black Legion novels- the thought of basically having a binding ritual condensed into a card that can then be instantly used seems much more useful in terms of gameplay than trying to work a full-blown ritual into the game. Don't know if it is possible for this game, or how it might impact gameplay (might have to do the full ritual beforehand and then make a control test to deploy?) but it was a thought I had.

If you haven't yet, you might try the Ahriman books!  Starting in the second my favorite character, Ctesias, shows up and his use of daemons puts Khayon's to shame (they might actually be comparable; it's been a while since I read Khayon's ADB stories.)  

 

But Ctesias is a cynical bastard and his chapters were my favorites in those books.  Again, lots of daemons.

 

Also, they don't all have to be bound.  In the Lucius books, he has that navi-daemon who is staying there for protection from her fellow Slaanesh daemon sisters for some slight in the past.

Could we maybe convince a daemon that service with us is better than millennia of torment for something they did wrong?

Edited 10 hours ago by FabiusV4lcoran
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[Mazer Rackham]

If you want to ensnare a daemon, you won't be able to do it aboard Brimstone. The Noctilith lodes will prevent this. You'll have to take up residence on the Dredge for that. We'll also have to have a look at the summoning/ritual stuff as well. To find a daemon who wants to work with you from will, as opposed to your bondage is going to be a bit of an ask.

 

I think you'd have to get a grimoire of names, in which you could find adversaries, and offer some kind of Faustian bargain. Obviously any Neverborn who wants to work with you is going to have an agenda and you will need to prepare for that.

 

I think this would have to be a mixed effort between you, some of the other mortals who have some small experience in ritualism, and Xin's Cyrandras Rakash. You would need to set up on the Dredge and begin surveying the space for a ritual chamber to begin. This can commence whilst the Marines are on the bug-hunt. Alternatives to Grimoires can be Divination of some sort (I'll have to look) or some manner of summoning.