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15 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

Guess all those comments about Steel Legion on the video made it up the grapevine.


The comments on that YouTube video are insane. These two regiments are so similar that Death Korps started as an alternate color scheme for Steel Legion. 

6 minutes ago, dicebod said:


The comments on that YouTube video are insane. These two regiments are so similar that Death Korps started as an alternate color scheme for Steel Legion. 

 

It is funny to see people angry that James Workshop is telling you that it's okay to paint your Guard models as whatever regiment you want, when there was so much anger the other month over them being named after specific regiments in the new codex.

 

We're obviously not getting Steel Legion models in the short term/medium term, so the amount of vitriol for "just paint them however lol" is pretty amusing when it's already what a lot of youtube channels have guides for (albeit with a bit more in-depth snipping and cutting of the kits but these videos are obviously meant for Lil Timmy).

 

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28 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

Guess all those comments about Steel Legion on the video made it up the grapevine.

 

 

 

Imagine if they did this with other stuff .

"We know you wanted to see Blood Angels during the devastation of Baal and we didn't show any, so here's how to paint Space Wolves as them!"

 

Obviously you can paint your miniatures how you want and it is a very rough approximation of Steel Legion, but it just comes across as kinda bad when it's to do with a big event specifically going to their planet, only to not have them.

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1 minute ago, TheVoidDragon said:

 

Imagine if they did this with other stuff .

"We know you wanted to see Blood Angels during the devastation of Baal and we didn't show any, so here's how to paint Space Wolves as them!"

The jump from death Korps to steel legion visually is nowhere near as stark as wolves to blood angels.

I mean, it kind of... is?

This might be because I'm more keyed into historical uniforms and such given that's my primary interest these days, however you wouldn't sit down and say "this isn't a stark difference" when comparing the uniforms of many armies during the Second World War.

3 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

The jump from death Korps to steel legion visually is nowhere near as stark as wolves to blood angels.

 

 They're both Coat + Mask regiments but the differences between the two beyond that vague aspect is bigger than just painting Krieg as them makes out, though.

2 minutes ago, Joe said:

I mean, it kind of... is?

This might be because I'm more keyed into historical uniforms and such given that's my primary interest these days, however you wouldn't sit down and say "this isn't a stark difference" when comparing the uniforms of many armies during the Second World War.

I don't disagree with you on the WW2 uniforms. I love bolt action and the colour schemes give me hours of ponderance.

 

However, since death Korps were originally just steel legion with a different scheme then it's not hugely different. It's not like they're pretending catachans are steel legion. That said though, I'm not overly invested in either so it's easier for me to say that. It's probably similar to me painting any ork kits as death skulls, without adding bits and pieces they run the risk of just being orks with blue warpaint when it should be significantly more.

 

I do hope that the steel legion get their own minis though but think catachans will see their updates first. 

IIRC krieg were seen first in 3rd edition codex flavor sketches 

Then Steel Legion came out in codex Armageddon as models and Krieg got an image that was just a steel legion printed differently. 
The major differences in design came in the forge world models where the visual cues became more obviously WW1 rather than WW2.

 

in any case I like what GW did in that video. It’s been an age since steel legion existed as rules or minis. 

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The classic Steel Legion look is obviously very different from the modern DKoK look, but the simple fact is we don't have plastic Steel Legion and I think the priority for them over other regiments is fairly low. There is nothing wrong with GW giving a legimate way to paint your Krieg as Steel Legion.

 

I actually think Cadians with a third party head swap and appropriate paint scheme, like shown earlier in this thread, is a better approximation imo.

5 minutes ago, TheVoidDragon said:

 

Imagine if they did this with other stuff .

"We know you wanted to see Blood Angels during the devastation of Baal and we didn't show any, so here's how to paint Space Wolves as them!"

 

I mean, outside of the divergent chapters arguably all generic Space Marine kits are this.

 

The Steel Legion have never really had their own, bespoke, rules - a single army list in a third edition supplement, or otherwise being the "mechanised infantry" paragons. Part of the issue with a shift from metal-to-plastic is you can't really do low volume, relatively cheap production runs. Someone will have done the cost/return on a second set of gas-masked plastic guard models and unsurprisingly concluded it isn't worth it, especially when they could refresh Catachans, Vostoyrans or whatever which are much more visually distinct. 

 

A MTO on Steel Legion kits alongside the Armageddon release would be very cool - I'd also be very, very interested to see if GW decided to publish the sales figures for any such run, because I'd put money on a lot of people who are currently "Outraged of Tunbridge Wells" on social media having 0 interest in actually buying Steel Legion but are invested in petty internet whinging. 

29 minutes ago, Kommisar_K said:

Can someone please tell me what makes the DKoK and Steels minis so different? Most art I see it's just the helmet shape and shoulder armor. What am I missing?

 

Steel Legion: Knee-high cavalry boots, Mid-length trenchcoat that stops just around the knees, full leather gauntlets that go over the sleeves, smaller rounded helmet, no shoulder armour, respirator mask, removable goggles, the webbing and pouch differences. Their officers have longer trenchcoats, a different helmet shape and mask style.

 

Krieg: Puttees over the boots, big heavy Ankle-Length double-breasted greatcoat, visible sleeves, shoulder armour, helmet that's a combination of a few WW1-era designs, full sealed gasmask, backpack full of equipment

It's a a regiment that basically designed around being a mix of WW2 and Cold War mechanized infantry meant to operate in a irradiated dust-filled wasteland fighting from their vehicles, VS a theming of WW1 western front siege warfare. 

 

The similarities are basically a superficial "They're both wearing a coat and a mask of some sort". 

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"... the world’s original Steel Legion defenders have been worn down to a fraction of their original strength. "

 

Well this article at least settles the discussion whether the Steel Legion still exists or not. 

 

I hope we get new Catachan next edition so I can have some "Steel Legion Ork Hunters" alongside some "Steel Legion" Krigers. 

 

Either way I'm happy to hear that the regiment is only decimated instead of completely wiped. 

7 minutes ago, SteveAntilles said:

Death Korps vs Steel Legion:
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You can get darn close by cutting the hose, removing the chest pack and using cadian arms/lasguns. The visor can be done via a little paint.

 

Would it be prefect? No. But it would be really close. Going to try it out later once I get some gasmask heads printed for my felinids. Luckily I have the other parts already. 

12 minutes ago, Focslain said:

 

You can get darn close by cutting the hose, removing the chest pack and using cadian arms/lasguns. The visor can be done via a little paint.

 

Would it be prefect? No. But it would be really close. Going to try it out later once I get some gasmask heads printed for my felinids. Luckily I have the other parts already. 

Why would you cut the hose? Steel Legion also have a hose. You're replying to an image of a Steel Legion miniature with a hose.

I think why people are so damn hurt about these recent GW articales. 

Due to the sculpting of DKOK and adjustments to those, it is hard to argue nowdays that they couldn´t also make ASL. They make 50+ space marines every year itseems(Doih, but those sell most)

Yes, they indeed do, but that doesn´t mean we wouldn´t get other things aswell. There´s enough marines lately to eat everything else in GWs 40k side. DKOK got moved to pastics and lost some details, people whined, praised and so on. They made their armies and then DKOK got another model, Attilans got models, Tanith got box. 

GW has zero excuses of not making different legions of guardsmen as new line. The lore article is also slap in the face as Cadian got blown up, yet we have billions of those around galaxy and they got glowup. GW has magnificent ability to slap a bandaid on issue and then flay your skin by ripping it off at lightspeed lately,

51 minutes ago, Kommisar_K said:

Can someone please tell me what makes the DKoK and Steels minis so different? Most art I see it's just the helmet shape and shoulder armor. What am I missing?

 

Have a look at the actual models, the differences become clear.

10 minutes ago, Kyari said:

Why would you cut the hose? Steel Legion also have a hose. You're replying to an image of a Steel Legion miniature with a hose.

Didn't notice that. I'll have to do a little more looking at this. I realized after posting that cadian arms are also shoulder armoured. Seems only vehicle crew arms aren't armoured in the current guard line. 

13 minutes ago, Jukkiz said:

GW has zero excuses of not making different legions of guardsmen as new line.

 

The cost of making sprue molds and warehouse space are pretty decent excuses for them not being able to do that. 

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