Yarrick Returns

[Mechanicus Tech-Support]

Not like we've known GW has been at max manufacturing capacity for yeeaars now, lets have them make a second line of gasmasked guardsman.

 

As an aside it'd be quite humorous if Catachans came back as a kill team first but theyre painted as Armageddon ork hunters

[Focslain]

11 minutes ago, Mechanicus Tech-Support said:

As an aside it'd be quite humorous if Catachans came back as a kill team first but theyre painted as Armageddon ork hunters

This is on my bingo card for the Adepticon reveals actually.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

5 hours ago, SteveAntilles said:

Death Korps vs Steel Legion:

I think FW vs FW models would be a better comparison.

3rd ed Cadians vs modern Cadians look pretty different.

 

I imagine an updated steel legion line would like wise be noticeably different from the FW line.

Edited March 20 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Toxichobbit]

2 hours ago, Vassakov said:

A MTO on Steel Legion kits alongside the Armageddon release would be very cool - I'd also be very, very interested to see if GW decided to publish the sales figures for any such run, because I'd put money on a lot of people who are currently "Outraged of Tunbridge Wells" on social media having 0 interest in actually buying Steel Legion but are invested in petty internet whinging. 

 

Given the pricing on MTO runs, that information is anything but interesting. Unless you consider "small number of sales indicative of gamers not willing to splash out large amounts of cash during a cost of living crisis on decades old sculpts" interesting, rather than blatantly obvious.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, TheVoidDragon said:

 

Steel Legion: Knee-high cavalry boots, Mid-length trenchcoat that stops just around the knees, full leather gauntlets that go over the sleeves, smaller rounded helmet, no shoulder armour, respirator mask, removable goggles, the webbing and pouch differences. Their officers have longer trenchcoats, a different helmet shape and mask style.

 

Krieg: Puttees over the boots, big heavy Ankle-Length double-breasted greatcoat, visible sleeves, shoulder armour, helmet that's a combination of a few WW1-era designs, full sealed gasmask, backpack full of equipment

It's a a regiment that basically designed around being a mix of WW2 and Cold War mechanized infantry meant to operate in a irradiated dust-filled wasteland fighting from their vehicles, VS a theming of WW1 western front siege warfare. 

 

The similarities are basically a superficial "They're both wearing a coat and a mask of some sort". 

I’m fairly good with military history, and gotta say, small differences between coat length, and big over the sleeve gloves vs little gloves just isn’t that big of a deal imho.

 

Kasrkin are cadians but are visually extremely different, so if those massive differences can be from the same homeworld I think it’s safe to say that krieg and SL are very close.

[Indy Techwisp]

I like that GW put out the Steel Legion paint scheme (colours should work for Cadian bodies as well mostly if you want them) but I can understand where the anger at them "just" being repainted Kreigsman comes from.

 

Thing is, this isn't a Guard exclusive thing. Guard are actually kinda unique in that they did get bespoke "subfaction" models (divergent chapters don't count, they're basically extra codexes), but the vast majority of Guard regiments are Cadians but different colours, why shouldn't this also apply to Kreig gear?

 

That said, I can forsee a "Steel Legion" Upgrade sprue with alt-heads for the Kreig models to closer resemble the older Steel Legion models. Would be cheaper than doing an entirely new kit and as such more realistically something GW might actually release.

[Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla]

There is no such thing as Krieg colour scheme or ASL colour scheme. There are some colours chosen by GW as the showcase paintjob, but fluff wise, regiments can be painted whatever you want. Kriegers painted in tan and dark green are just .... Kriegers in tan and dark green. That's why original Krieg included some minimal conversion of the ASL models. I think that the video is nonsense. Yes, we know we can paint our Kriegers in desert camo, I've seen enough Afrika Korps of Krieg.

 

 

 

 

[Wispy]

8 hours ago, Antarius said:

That explains a lot of the confusion tbh

 

Who is making fun of Wolf-based medicine now, huh? 

 

[Jukkiz]

1 hour ago, sitnam said:

 

The cost of making sprue molds and warehouse space are pretty decent excuses for them not being able to do that. 

 

 

Meanwhile, as noted. Space marines get new stuff yearly... I wonder

"But those sell the best"  
S H U S H 

[sitnam]

10 minutes ago, Jukkiz said:

"But those sell the best"  

But it's the truth. You can shush all you want, but that doesn't change reality

[Wispy]

I didn't know the Krieg were part of the same design lineage as Steel Legion but it just reinforces my view Steel that Steel Legionaires just need a new head  sprue and a character or two. And even before making those, refreshing Catachans should be a much bigger priority for GW's Imperial Guard efforts. 

 

If you really need to head canon it, tell yourself the Steel Legion has been all re-supplied by Krieg. The Pragmatism of War. The manufactorum that made Steel Legion pattern gasmasks fell to the Orks a generation ago!

Edited March 20 by Wispy

[nodnol88]

Grab the popcorn for the comments I guess.

 

Thoroughly appreciate the loyalties and fandom that exist for even more niche factions within factions than this, but I just don’t see how they could justify what is a relatively minor difference as a commercially viable product. It’s almost certain the reason they streamlined the Guard down to Cadian as the standard was to establish a baseline and condense the range to make it more marketable and probably profitable. An upgrade sprue would be a feasible solution, however. 

 

I quite enjoy the irony of DKoK originally being an alternative scheme to SL, to now SL being an alternative scheme for DKoK, though. 
 

 

 

[Tastyfish]

20 hours ago, Moonstalker said:

If there's an "Armageddon Command" box similar to the Captain Titus + retinue and Huron + Retinue, where you've got Yarrick, Ulrik, a Blood Angels hero, etc... well, I'm here for it.  Just hoping it's got rules to be fielded in any Imperium army.

 

From Valrak's discussion of Boole's rumours, the Armageddon box is centred around an Inquisitor (Kroyle) on a Throne of Judgement (hence the option for that in the Maelstrom book's 'create a hero' rules) accompanied by a different Commissar (Graves). 

[Tyrannicide]

Just because they addressed the elephant in the room doesn't mean that it's not a lousy excuse. Spew out some corpo-speak or even a vague it's a "future consideration but not currently planned." Instead we get nu lore that says oh yeah Steel Legion is now outnumbered by Cadians (dead planet btw) on their own homeworld lmao.

[Kommisar_K]

2 hours ago, TheVoidDragon said:

Steel Legion: Knee-high cavalry boots, Mid-length trenchcoat that stops just around the knees, full leather gauntlets that go over the sleeves, smaller rounded helmet, no shoulder armour, respirator mask, removable goggles, the webbing and pouch differences. Their officers have longer trenchcoats, a different helmet shape and mask style.

 

Krieg: Puttees over the boots, big heavy Ankle-Length double-breasted greatcoat, visible sleeves, shoulder armour, helmet that's a combination of a few WW1-era designs, full sealed gasmask, backpack full of equipment

Ah yes, never thought about the puttees 

 

Yeah, having taken a look at some of the minis I get it. Relying on artwork confused me to some extent, as that can be a bit inconsistent. Like for example the trenchcoat. Aside from some minis, it tends to look about the same. 

 

Sadly, though the overall look is kinda different a lot of individual things are relatively minor, so Steel Legion probably won't be getting their own refresh anytime soon. Now I think of it there'd probably be a good chunk of the community spitting with rage that GW wasted time with two gas-mask-trenchcoat-IG regiments instead of giving us... "well, something else." So... I get it. GW playing it safe. Overall I for one do not mind. Other minis shouldn't be impossible to get a decent conversion out of, and there are some things that could use attention sooner. 

[soviet1337]

I'd love to see another Guard regiment beyond the expected Catachans but it's not reasonable to expect it to be a regiment that looks 90% the same as one of the existing two regiments. Give us crazy Vostroyans or high-tech Fremen Tallarn or something brand new. 

[Son of Rawl]

GW response is their "Do you not have phones?" 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

19 minutes ago, Son of Rawl said:

GW response is their "Do you not have phones?" 

It seems like this sort of view is in the minority.

[Mechanicus Tech-Support]

People out here and elsewhere acting like GW robbed them, kicked their puppy and burned down their house all while laughing 

[SvenIronhand]

1 hour ago, Tyrannicide said:

Just because they addressed the elephant in the room doesn't mean that it's not a lousy excuse. Spew out some corpo-speak or even a vague it's a "future consideration but not currently planned." Instead we get nu lore that says oh yeah Steel Legion is now outnumbered by Cadians (dead planet btw) on their own homeworld lmao.

The Cadians are more than a single world; a ton of worlds were settled by Cadians thanks to Cadian regiments invoking their rights of settlement. Additionally, a load of Regiments like the Truskan Snowhounds and Faeburn Vanquishers (both first presented to us in the 8th Codex) emulate them. Armageddon, on the other hand, has consistently been under apocalyptic attack by one determined and kunning Ork Warboss or another, Chaos forces under the banner of Khorne, or the Imperium itself. It’s not surprising one gave out and the other didn’t.

[Tastyfish]

1 hour ago, SvenIronhand said:

The Cadians are more than a single world; a ton of worlds were settled by Cadians thanks to Cadian regiments invoking their rights of settlement. Additionally, a load of Regiments like the Truskan Snowhounds and Faeburn Vanquishers (both first presented to us in the 8th Codex) emulate them. Armageddon, on the other hand, has consistently been under apocalyptic attack by one determined and kunning Ork Warboss or another, Chaos forces under the banner of Khorne, or the Imperium itself. It’s not surprising one gave out and the other didn’t.

Not to mention the Inquisition. 

 

Largely because of how important not mentioning the inquisition is in avoiding something unmentionable happening to you.

[Wispy]

9 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

It seems like this sort of view is in the minority.

It seems like to be part of the same part of the brains for folks who are very particular about accuracy in historical reenactments. Subtle variations of kit that diehards really, really care about but is a non-issue for most folks as long as the vibe is right.

 

Historical reenactment is the time and place for that sort of attention to detail, which is fair. An evolving fictional setting that supports a miniature game where standardized model kits often have to support many factions... Less so.

 

Steel Legion being part of the same design lineage as Krieg is amusing to me and puts the Steel Legion in a Codex Compliant Marine/Undivided Chaos Legion sort of sub faction space. Give the boys an upgrade sprue and a character and call it a day!

Edited March 21 by Wispy

[phandaal]

5 hours ago, sitnam said:

But it's the truth. You can shush all you want, but that doesn't change reality

 

Very true. There is a reason why GW has a statue of a Space Marine in front of Warhammer World!

 

4 hours ago, Tyrannicide said:

Just because they addressed the elephant in the room doesn't mean that it's not a lousy excuse. Spew out some corpo-speak or even a vague it's a "future consideration but not currently planned." Instead we get nu lore that says oh yeah Steel Legion is now outnumbered by Cadians (dead planet btw) on their own homeworld lmao.

 

Yeah, it is because GW does not have updated Steel Legion minis in the same scale as Cadians and Krieg. We know it, they know it, we know they know it, they know we know they know it, etc. etc. There honestly is no reason to even bother thinking about the nu-lore unless you really want to. Just disregard it and carry on as usual.

 

On a positive note - if you want upscaled Steel Legion, 3rd parties have you covered big time. Here is the set from Tiny Legend, for example:

 

https://tinylegend.eu/collections/all-blitz-legion-supplies

 

Hell, these are so cool I almost want to get them and I don't even play guard. 

[sitnam]

3 hours ago, phandaal said:

 

On a positive note - if you want upscaled Steel Legion, 3rd parties have you covered big time. Here is the set from Tiny Legend, for example:

 

I don't normally like third party stuff* sculpts, as they never really feel right. Sometimes it's over designed, sometimes it just doesn't fit the established aesthetics. But Tint Legend really does a great job. And they have las-SMG's!

 

*I'm mostly speaking about full sculpts. I have definitely partake. In third party bits in the past but as conversion tools, not whole minis

[Marshal Rohr]

6 hours ago, SvenIronhand said:

The Cadians are more than a single world; a ton of worlds were settled by Cadians thanks to Cadian regiments invoking their rights of settlement. Additionally, a load of Regiments like the Truskan Snowhounds and Faeburn Vanquishers (both first presented to us in the 8th Codex) emulate them. Armageddon, on the other hand, has consistently been under apocalyptic attack by one determined and kunning Ork Warboss or another, Chaos forces under the banner of Khorne, or the Imperium itself. It’s not surprising one gave out and the other didn’t.

And that is why the United States of America, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are all identical in society, government, and economy to the United Kingdom.