Yarrick Returns

[HeadlessCross]

4 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Oh, I’m so sorry, in that case there’s obviously no differences in equipment, organization, or doctrine between the UK and her former colonies! That certainly doesn’t make the point even better!

 

 

Stop defending these stupid writers writing stupid lore that just hand waves away the flavor this game used to have. 

There's only so many bespoke rules you want until the game gets as bloated as it did in 6th/7th. 

[Marshal Rohr]

13 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

There's only so many bespoke rules you want until the game gets as bloated as it did in 6th/7th. 

They solved that problem in 3rd and 4th before they wanted to sell data cards or war scrolls or whatever they’re called. 

[Mogger351]

59 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

There is already great lore for what the Death Korps and Cadians are doing on Armageddon, and it’s not even the problem they aren’t in the Trailer because Yarrick was specifically attached to Cadians in the 3rd War lore. What isn’t cool is the midwit marketing people who don’t even write the lore telling Armageddon fans to suck it and the steel legion isn’t even a player on their own planet. It shouldn’t even be controversial that isn’t ok. Whatever smooth brained takes people have from the toxic positivity crowd about “product” and other LinkedIn grindset views have zero place in a discussion about a faction that has existed since the 90s. 

It isn't the 90s any more, they moved the story forward, they nearly wiped out a regiment. The lore writers have written that the regiment are functionally depleted and moved the story forwards a little.

 

You don't have to like it, but it's not an excuse to be offensive to people that aren't morally put out that a regiment who have no mini support are confirmed to be contemporarily present but minor enough to not get a range.

 

Hell, they even said they're present in small numbers, so if you want to use that creativity and convert and field a steel legion army, go for it. Stop needing an official kit and approval stamp.

[Tyrannicide]

Just now, Mogger351 said:

It isn't the 90s any more, they moved the story forward, they nearly wiped out a regiment. The lore writers have written that the regiment are functionally depleted and moved the story forwards a little.

 

You don't have to like it, but it's not an excuse to be offensive to people that aren't morally put out that a regiment who have no mini support are confirmed to be contemporarily present but minor enough to not get a range.

 

Hell, they even said they're present in small numbers, so if you want to use that creativity and convert and field a steel legion army, go for it. Stop needing an official kit and approval stamp.

That's not the argument, though. If you try to be faithful to the lore developments then any plans for a Steel Legion project is affected by this. 

 

This isn't a doomer take for the sake of negativity. It's a legitimate concern that GW marketing gurus continue to strip away layers of this setting without a second thought. How does anyone benefit from a shrinking setting?

[Mogger351]

26 minutes ago, Tyrannicide said:

That's not the argument, though. If you try to be faithful to the lore developments then any plans for a Steel Legion project is affected by this. 

 

This isn't a doomer take for the sake of negativity. It's a legitimate concern that GW marketing gurus continue to strip away layers of this setting without a second thought. How does anyone benefit from a shrinking setting?

How? Do you restrict yourself to using built as-is gw kits only in contemporary campaing settings for some reason?

 

I'm genuinely not trying to be difficult, I legitimately dont understand why you can't play a steel legion force? If you want to play it at any other point of time in the setting that's fine. If you insist on being 100% locked to cutting edge contemporary lore accuracy, they've stated there are some left, they're just so heavily reduced they don't fit the concept of the guard army, as a unit of them (as current rules are) doesn't make sense outside of the one setting.

[Marshal Rohr]

3 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

How? Do you restrict yourself to using built as-is gw kits only in contemporary campaing settings for some reason?

 

I'm genuinely not trying to be difficult, I legitimately dont understand why you can't play a steel legion force? If you want to play it at any other point of time in the setting that's fine. If you insist on being 100% locked to cutting edge contemporary lore accuracy, they've stated there are some left, they're just so heavily reduced they don't fit the concept of the guard army, as a unit of them (as current rules are) doesn't make sense outside of the one setting.

But 2 flavors of Rough Riders and Horse Commanders are strictly necessary. 

[Jolemai]

If people could dial back on the sniping in this thread please, that would be great.

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

I can understand GW not doing a Krieg level release but too not even do an upgrade sprue seems off. 

 

It is also a shame that rather than provide anything Steel Legion in the lore it all has to be restricted to Cadian/Krieg because that's what they sell. I understand the lore has a role play in selling miniatures but it is absurd the way the lore essentially becomes beholden to marketing at times. 

 

It also makes the universe feel so small. There are supposed to be tens of billions of soldiers in the AM, drawn from hundreds of thousands of worlds if not more, organised into millions of regiments past and present from across the entire galaxy. Yet all we get are Cadians and Krieg.  

 

I will say though it is wholesome to see how positive the Ork community has responded to Yaricks return. Ork players really are chill. 

[Indy Techwisp]

1 minute ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

I can understand GW not doing a Krieg level release but too not even do an upgrade sprue seems off. 

 

It is also a shame that rather than provide anything Steel Legion in the lore it all has to be restricted to Cadian/Krieg because that's what they sell. I understand the lore has a role play in selling miniatures but it is absurd the way the lore essentially becomes beholden to marketing at times. 

 

It also makes the universe feel so small. There are supposed to be tens of billions of soldiers in the AM, drawn from hundreds of thousands of worlds if not more, organised into millions of regiments past and present from across the entire galaxy. Yet all we get are Cadians and Krieg.  

 

I will say though it is wholesome to see how positive the Ork community has responded to Yaricks return. Ork players really are chill. 

 

To be fair we have literally only seen Yarrick for this book so far.

There could very well be a Steel Legion upgrade sprue coming our way that just hadn't made it off the 'eavy Metal Painting Desk in time for the follow up article 

 

Edit:

Also, models serving the Lore etc, but "the majority" of Guard regiments using Cadian kit in different colours is an established thing by now and with Kreig being another very large exporter of troops it'd make sense that the Kreig kit would also have got around now as well, presumably this applies to the Catachan as well, I recall their being a good new "basically Catachan but not" Regiments back in Only War and that's not really changed iirc.

All this to say, the Regiments with unique appearances are memorable and yet a lot of their design could, in theory, be boiled down to a Head Swap if GW wanted to put out official minis for them.

Edited March 21 by Indy Techwisp

[jaxom]

Yah, out of the millions (billions?) of regiments it seems to me that if the right aesthetics are covered by four or five named regiment models then paint job does the rest for 99% of regiments with 0.9% of regiments requiring some kitbashing and 0.1% requiring conversion work.

Edited March 21 by jaxom

[TheVoidDragon]

I can sort of understand them not getting new miniatures, and I'd expect they're not in the animation because they just used what they already had 3d models made for, but the thing with this is there was 1 relatively small, cheap, simple thing they could have done that would have at least given some representation of the Steel Legion; they could have at the very least slightly edited that chimera clearly shown in the animation to be theirs, rather than Krieg, especially as Chimeras as a huge part of their whole theming. That they didn't even bother to do that just gives an even more negative look. 

[Tastyfish]

3 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

To be fair we have literally only seen Yarrick for this book so far.

There could very well be a Steel Legion upgrade sprue coming our way that just hadn't made it off the 'eavy Metal Painting Desk in time for the follow up article 

 

I hope we'll see a regiments sprue at some point (with a bunch of different heads, backpacks and perhaps a few other odd bits like epaulettes, rebreathers, kilts for the guy holding the colours), but I can also see that making more sense with the launch of the codex in the new edition - aiming to get people starting a new guard army with the new bits.

 

Tail end of the edition I can certainly see the slot for that sprue being more attractive to make a new unit that people can add to their existing collections.

[Marshal Rohr]

2 hours ago, jaxom said:

Yah, out of the millions (billions?) of regiments it seems to me that if the right aesthetics are covered by four or five named regiment models then paint job does the rest for 99% of regiments with 0.9% of regiments requiring some kitbashing and 0.1% requiring conversion work.

There aren’t even that many guard regiments with historical ranges. 
 

-Cadians

-Krieg

-Vostroyans

-Valhallans

-Catachans

-Elysians

-Praetorians

-Mordians

-Tallarn

-Steel Legion

 

Compare that with the Necromunda Range, operating with far less budget. 
 

-Palanites

-Goliaths

-Orlocks

-Escher

-Van Saar

-Cawdor

-Delaque

-Ash Wasters

 

It’s very possible for them to make these kits, especially if they adopted the Special Games sprue design. They just don’t want to, because they don’t care about the lore and now they apparently don’t care about making cash hand over fist. There’s no universe where the Underworlds or Warcry or even mainline AoS side faction kits sell as well as Imperial Guard. 

[bloodhound23]

1 hour ago, Marshal Rohr said:

There aren’t even that many guard regiments with historical ranges. 
 

-Cadians

-Krieg

-Vostroyans

-Valhallans

-Catachans

-Elysians

-Praetorians

-Mordians

-Tallarn

-Steel Legion

 

Compare that with the Necromunda Range, operating with far less budget. 
 

-Palanites

-Goliaths

-Orlocks

-Escher

-Van Saar

-Cawdor

-Delaque

-Ash Wasters

 

It’s very possible for them to make these kits, especially if they adopted the Special Games sprue design. They just don’t want to, because they don’t care about the lore and now they apparently don’t care about making cash hand over fist. There’s no universe where the Underworlds or Warcry or even mainline AoS side faction kits sell as well as Imperial Guard. 

Thank you! 
 

All I’m saying is a Steel Legion upgrade sprue would sell better than a number of things they already have. Let’s not pretend it’s about lack of ability or lack of demand.

[Marshal Mittens]

Arnt we potentially getting new Mordians soon?

[jaxom]

3 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

now they apparently don’t care about making cash hand over fist.

Yah, it's the old saying about how purchasers are source of income, but shareholders are the customers.

 

Edit: it just occurred to me that the Specialist lines are apples and oranges to Guard. Each Gang is a faction, whereas the regiments would be subfactions at best.

Edited March 22 by jaxom

[Marshal Rohr]

1 hour ago, jaxom said:

Yah, it's the old saying about how purchasers are source of income, but shareholders are the customers.

 

Edit: it just occurred to me that the Specialist lines are apples and oranges to Guard. Each Gang is a faction, whereas the regiments would be subfactions at best.

It’s apples to apples in terms of sprues, molds, etc. 

[Mogger351]

7 hours ago, bloodhound23 said:

Thank you! 
 

All I’m saying is a Steel Legion upgrade sprue would sell better than a number of things they already have. Let’s not pretend it’s about lack of ability or lack of demand.

Honestly I can count on one hand the number of times I saw anyone ask for steel legion minis in mayne 3 years prior to the last fortnight.

 

I'm 99% sure this is all artificial outrage and the vast majority of people vocall complaining wouldn't be buying a full steel legion army.

 

Same way apparently the custodes were dead on arrival because of their changes. There is always a group think intentional hate for something GW does thats born out of misplaced confidence.

Edited March 22 by Mogger351

[Marshal Reinhard]

11 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

There aren’t even that many guard regiments with historical ranges. 
 

-Cadians

-Krieg

-Vostroyans

-Valhallans

-Catachans

-Elysians

-Praetorians

-Mordians

-Tallarn

-Steel Legion

 

Compare that with the Necromunda Range, operating with far less budget. 
 

-Palanites

-Goliaths

-Orlocks

-Escher

-Van Saar

-Cawdor

-Delaque

-Ash Wasters

 

It’s very possible for them to make these kits, especially if they adopted the Special Games sprue design. They just don’t want to, because they don’t care about the lore and now they apparently don’t care about making cash hand over fist. There’s no universe where the Underworlds or Warcry or even mainline AoS side faction kits sell as well as Imperial Guard. 

Yes, but those ranges in necromunda is the entire game pretty much.

 

The above regiments are all for ONE faction for 40k.

 

EDIT: to add to this, I think Kill teams is the most realistic option we can go/hope for. The plastic krieg started out as just a kill team. Give us more guard kill teams, GW

Edited March 22 by Marshal Reinhard

[Lay]

4 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

Same way apparently the custodes were dead on arrival because of their changes. 

Same way Steel Legion would be dead on arrival because you've seen little demand for them? 

 

At the end of the day we just don't know why GW didn't bother making new models.

[Marshal Reinhard]

Way things work is there is demand for the thing that I personally want. There is no demand for things I don't personally want. Everyone should just get with the program.

[Joe]

It's anecdotal, however I ran a survey for miniatures people would like to see one of my old employers produce. We had something esoteric like 13th Century Polish Infantry wind up winning. A bit of digging around and we found some small corner of the internet where they'd encouraged everyone under the sun to write in to "get them made" in order to fudge the numbers a bit.

I can remember my boss at the time turning around and saying "it's all very good saying they want this product - it doesn't work if they don't actually buy them in the end." 

 

Still believe this applies to Warhammer in a big way more often than not.

[Mogger351]

2 hours ago, Lay said:

Same way Steel Legion would be dead on arrival because you've seen little demand for them? 

 

At the end of the day we just don't know why GW didn't bother making new models.

It's the opposite, people wanted new custodes, many were quite happy for female custodes. The vocal minority were booting off about not wanting them and how it'll kill the game/faction.

 

It's done nothing of the sort and has sold out. Is splitting guard 4 ways over the sakes of a minor conversion really what the masses want? I'd say not.

 

Polls all over the place over the edition suggest that there were easily half a dozen complete armies that people want more than steel legion by virtue of them not even getting onto the list. Popular opinion puts catachan refresh before steel legion.

 

Is there enough demand that a small £25 upgrade pack with 10 lasguns/arms and helms for a unit of  krieg would make a profit? Maybe? Is that the realease the majority pf guard players want? I'd wager not. Especially since rules wise you'd still be fielding them as either krieg or cadian.

 

The people outcrying now are very likely the vocal minority.

[jaxom]

My one quibble is while I like the fidelity to the previous model, I would have loved to see the belt feeder for the stormbolter to come back.

[sitnam]

20 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

1. The armageddon steel legion are now canonically only present on armageddon. And dwindling. Who does it impact? I'd argue nobody with an imagination. It's actually a fairly sensible development in reality.

The 10th edition Guard codex doesn't state this, and WarCom articles are not canon lore sources. Id hold out for the campaign book for what is canonically true or not.

 

3 hours ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

to add to this, I think Kill teams is the most realistic option we can go/hope for. The plastic krieg started out as just a kill team. Give us more guard kill teams, GW

 

I understand the sentiment, and I could see more regiments coming out. But I hate the idea of treating Kill Team as a product vehicle for 40k kits. Kill Team has its own community and player base, it doesn't exist to just release kits for 40k fans.