Yarrick Returns

[Marshal Rohr]

37 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

I am in the minority for disliking yarrick coming back and acknowledge that. I'm glad he's got a nice mini and to people who missed him that's great.

 

I consider it lazy writing, but it is what it is, I'll accept the setting and roll with it.

 

The difference here is that people a subgroup of people are annoyed in what I see as 3 different ways.

 

1. The armageddon steel legion are now canonically only present on armageddon. And dwindling. Who does it impact? I'd argue nobody with an imagination. It's actually a fairly sensible development in reality.

 

2. The steel legion dont get a miniatures release and this is stopping them from doing a steel legion army. This seems rubbish to me, the only limitation has been and is creativity there.

 

3. The steel legion aren't front and centre for the war of armageddon (again). They sort of cover this with the decimated numbers line, I loosely appreciate it can be jarring seeing cadia and krieg style units as the default. But again, it's entirely understandable for marketing material. They want to show what they can sell.

 

And yet I simply go "well I don't like it but see what they do", whilst other people are scrapping potentially none existent army projects, cursing GW and throwing insulting terms at them and anyone not upset about it.

 

As you wanted me to define the difference.

Maybe the problem is the people “not upset about it” are pretentiously feigning some type of grand business wisdom that they simply don’t have. 

[Mogger351]

14 minutes ago, phandaal said:

 

Yes, thank you. I now see that when you express your own dislike (I believe your term for Yarrick was "nostalgia bait", which is a reasonable and objective term as anyone can see), it is OK, and when you call out other people with insulting terms like "intentional hate" and labeling their personal preferences as "artificial," it is also OK.

 

When other people do the same thing, it is not OK. Because the way they do it is wrong.

 

As a fellow person who is also right all the time and who also always has the correct opinions (obviously, duh), I am with you on this and behind you 100%. 

If you want to get further into the meta zeitgeist most of the video hits on YouTube for steel legion are about GW taking them away and fans being annoyed. Likewise the complaints and technical corrections have reached the point the grimdank sub has begun spinning it.

 

I know you're doing that half in jest half trying to to humble thing but I'm not the one here calling people smooth brained white knights or whatever it was that apparently is ok.

4 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Maybe the problem is the people “not upset about it” are pretentiously feigning some type of grand business wisdom that they simply don’t have. 

Maybe those that are also lack any wider form of awareness or business acumen?

[sitnam]

16 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

They just don’t want to, because they don’t care about the lore and now they apparently don’t care about making cash hand over fist.

19 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Maybe the problem is the people “not upset about it” are pretentiously feigning some type of grand business wisdom that they simply don’t have. 

 

[phandaal]

16 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

I know you're doing that half in jest half trying to to humble thing

 

Woah, OK now that is out of line. How could you say that?? I have never claimed to be humble.

 

 

Actually, what I did this morning was pick up some of those awesome Blitz Legion kits from Tiny Legend. This whole deal inspired me! They will totally get done soon and are definitely not going straight into the backlog.

[Marshal Reinhard]

1 hour ago, sitnam said:

I understand the sentiment, and I could see more regiments coming out. But I hate the idea of treating Kill Team as a product vehicle for 40k kits. Kill Team has its own community and player base, it doesn't exist to just release kits for 40k fans.

Pah, the more the merrier!

 

EDIT: But really, I'm of the view that everything and anything should be made into a kill team. Every subfaction, oddity unit, rarities, things not big enough to be their own faction, etc. should be made into a kill team. The rules for 40k is secondary. If the models of a Steel Legion kill team exists but you have to run them as Cadians or Krieg in 40k, we're still all winners compared to the timeline where that kill team didn't get made.

Edited March 22 by Marshal Reinhard

[jaxom]

 

18 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

GW taking them away and fans being annoyed

I think there was a Steel Legion MTO a few years back, but otherwise Steel Legion hasn't been sold in quite a while. Not sure how them still not being available is "taking them away"? Unless that's the point, that the outrage is over GW not doing something they did not indicate they were going to do?

 

It'd be interesting to see sales data on Steel Legion metal models, Kreig resin models, and Kreig plastic models.

 

 

[darkhorse0607]

27 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Maybe those that are also lack any wider form of awareness or business acumen?

 

By this metric, shouldn't all releases be Space Marine releases then? We should completely dump less popular factions like the Votaan, Tau, Dark Eldar, Imperial Guard should only be one regiment, only Chaos Undivided, etc, because Space Marines have a bigger audience and sell better? That's what is better for business and marketing after all

 

I get some of this is a bit overblown (I didn't even think about the Steel Legion after watching this trailer until I saw all the stuff online), but at the same time let's not pretend that doing a Steel Legion kit would be that crazy when they're doing all these other relatively minor releases

[Mogger351]

9 minutes ago, jaxom said:

 

I think there was a Steel Legion MTO a few years back, but otherwise Steel Legion hasn't been sold in quite a while. Not sure how them still not being available is "taking them away"? Unless that's the point, that the outrage is over GW not doing something they did not indicate they were going to do?

 

It'd be interesting to see sales data on Steel Legion metal models, Kreig resin models, and Kreig plastic models.

 

 

That's the whole point, what is the upset over. I take it to mean frustration at the potential of a release being removed.

[Mogger351]

7 minutes ago, darkhorse0607 said:

 

By this metric, shouldn't all releases be Space Marine releases then? We should completely dump less popular factions like the Votaan, Tau, Dark Eldar, Imperial Guard should only be one regiment, only Chaos Undivided, etc, because Space Marines have a bigger audience and sell better? That's what is better for business and marketing after all

 

I get some of this is a bit overblown (I didn't even think about the Steel Legion after watching this trailer until I saw all the stuff online), but at the same time let's not pretend that doing a Steel Legion kit would be that crazy when they're doing all these other relatively minor releases

Except in modern guard it isnt 1 kits. Earch regiment needs a command squad, heavy weapons squad and a.n.other unit generally.

 

But when you consider how much of a drop steel legion as a mildly-different guard regiment are visually compared to refreshing grey knights, expanding dark eldar, re-designing daemons, maybe adding exodites in as an idea or dark mech? They're not going to make a much impact bluntly.

[Marshal Rohr]

Grey Knights are being redone, Daemons are close to their new multi-range divided product lines iteration, Exodites are so done Valraks heard rumors which means they’re beyond the sculpting and mold making phases, Dark Mech is similarly close enough to release Val has rumors. So it does look like they can walk and chew gum at the same time! 

[Mogger351]

5 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Grey Knights are being redone, Daemons are close to their new multi-range divided product lines iteration, Exodites are so done Valraks heard rumors which means they’re beyond the sculpting and mold making phases, Dark Mech is similarly close enough to release Val has rumors. So it does look like they can walk and chew gum at the same time! 

Well guess what they logically didn't put the resources into then?

[Marshal Rohr]

5 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Well guess what they logically didn't put the resources into then?

Steel Legion?

Edited March 22 by Marshal Rohr

[Lay]

  

I swear, I've read the same arguments for and against Dark Eldar and Sister of Battle going plastic.

 

1 hour ago, sitnam said:

I understand the sentiment, and I could see more regiments coming out. But I hate the idea of treating Kill Team as a product vehicle for 40k kits. Kill Team has its own community and player base, it doesn't exist to just release kits for 40k fans.

It works too well as an entry drug for 40k to be separated. Being tied to 40k also means it won't just fall into obscurity like so many other small scale games before.

[FarFromSam]

Um

 

 

I havent seen a steel legion army in person for a long time.   Probably rules reason.  If ya got a steel legion army, shoot a link.  

[Mogger351]

51 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Steel Legion?

Yes, the lower potential profit option.

[01RTB01]

New painting guide I found...

[Mechanicus Tech-Support]

It's a joke but I'm getting strangely nostalgic looking at that 

[SvenIronhand]

Painting? Warhammer? Heresy. The true Warhammer fan doesn't paint the holy grey plastic.

[Jolemai]

This is strike two. Keep it constructive, and without the need to one-up another please.

[Robbienw]

It’s becoming increasingly clear that GW are running on the fumes of past glories when it comes to the background writing and how they handle stuff like this.  The wheels are covered by the minis still being great and a lot of the lore still being relatively untouched by modern GW writers, but they are slowly coming off.

[phandaal]

3 hours ago, darkhorse0607 said:

We should completely dump less popular factions like the Votaan

 

As a Space Dwarf enjoyer and man of culture (but I repeat myself), it is a wonder to me that GW survived as long as they did without the cash cow that is Squats.

 

21 minutes ago, Robbienw said:

It’s becoming increasingly clear that GW are running on the fumes of past glories when it comes to the background writing and how they handle stuff like this.

 

Apparently Krieg is pumping out clones even faster than we thought, since they are now one of the only two guard regiments in existence. Good thing we have GW's modern lore team to explain that the Steel Legion is just way too depleted to show up on their own planet.

 

...Until next quarter when the Steel Legion box set drops and holy moly wouldn't you know it, there were a trillion of em just hiding underground! Such good fortune, it's like they were never gone at all, just like Yarrick!

 

What a cool universe to dive into. I sure hope I can learn everything before it all changes to match whatever boxes GW currently has in stock this month. 

[Crimson Longinus]

31 minutes ago, Robbienw said:

It’s becoming increasingly clear that GW are running on the fumes of past glories when it comes to the background writing and how they handle stuff like this.  The wheels are covered by the minis still being great and a lot of the lore still being relatively untouched by modern GW writers, but they are slowly coming off.

 

Mate, there has been no wheels since they decided to bring the loyalist primarcs back to 40K. It totally destroyed the tone and themes of the setting. The exact shape of the gasmask guard's uniform and gear or where they are deployed and in what numbers is utterly trivial compared to the fundamental nature of the setting being obliterated. 

 

If you like the models, buy them, and for the lore do whatever headcanon that pleases you. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

23 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

There aren’t even that many guard regiments with historical ranges. 
 

-Cadians

-Krieg

-Vostroyans

-Valhallans

-Catachans

-Elysians

-Praetorians

-Mordians

-Tallarn

-Steel Legion

 

Compare that with the Necromunda Range, operating with far less budget. 
 

-Palanites

-Goliaths

-Orlocks

-Escher

-Van Saar

-Cawdor

-Delaque

-Ash Wasters

 

It’s very possible for them to make these kits, especially if they adopted the Special Games sprue design. They just don’t want to, because they don’t care about the lore and now they apparently don’t care about making cash hand over fist. There’s no universe where the Underworlds or Warcry or even mainline AoS side faction kits sell as well as Imperial Guard. 

Those are all separate factions in a game,  or reskins of one faction like guard regiments are. Kind of an apples and oranges comparison.

 

2 hours ago, Crimson Longinus said:

 

Mate, there has been no wheels since they decided to bring the loyalist primarcs back to 40K. It totally destroyed the tone and themes of the setting. The exact shape of the gasmask guard's uniform and gear or where they are deployed and in what numbers is utterly trivial compared to the fundamental nature of the setting being obliterated. 

 

If you like the models, buy them, and for the lore do whatever headcanon that pleases you. 

When was the setting obliterated? What themes of the setting were destroyed by the return of the primarchs?

[ZeroWolf]

2 hours ago, phandaal said:

 

As a Space Dwarf enjoyer and man of culture (but I repeat myself), it is a wonder to me that GW survived as long as they did without the cash cow that is Squats.

 

 

Apparently Krieg is pumping out clones even faster than we thought, since they are now one of the only two guard regiments in existence. Good thing we have GW's modern lore team to explain that the Steel Legion is just way too depleted to show up on their own planet.

 

...Until next quarter when the Steel Legion box set drops and holy moly wouldn't you know it, there were a trillion of em just hiding underground! Such good fortune, it's like they were never gone at all, just like Yarrick!

 

What a cool universe to dive into. I sure hope I can learn everything before it all changes to match whatever boxes GW currently has in stock this month. 

I wss actually thinking about this earlier funnily enough. Though I assumed how GW would bring them back to full strength is to just say that recruits from other worlds were enlisted to the Steel Legion...Though my time scale put this at some point after the next regiment upgrade so there was a large enough time gap between the two gas mask regiments (I believe that while the designers know the difference, middle management don't amd would question why more gas masks so soon).

[Marshal Rohr]

Unfortunately, all the available planets were instead given over to the Cadians. Don’t worry, this is an important and good lore development that is much better than anything written before my favorite YouTuber got into the hobby during Covid.