New Warhammer 40,000 Edition announced!

[HeadlessCross]

38 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

I am guessing that this Black Templar Detachment is likely to be an example of a 1-point detachment since it only affects the Emperor's Champions.

 

The Enhancement is bonkers too. Basically an auto-include detachment if you're doing Templars. 

[DemonGSides]

53 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

OK, that is significant. Is there a mechanism that gives a unit the opportunity to recover or is that it? I can see Chaplains becoming a bit more desirable for clearing Battleshock from a unit that succumbs early.

 

I would imagine the check continues every turn until you pass it, but I don't believe they've said anything more concrete yet. 

[Captain Idaho]

My question is; why don't all those units have the keyword "Speeder" already?

Edited yesterday at 06:16 PM by Captain Idaho
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[DemonGSides]

7 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

My question is; why don't all those units have the keyword "Speeder" already?

 

Because the detachments are being shoe horned in with the 10th Ed rules.

 

I would imagine the codex detachments won't have the wonky keyword applications.

 

Is it really that big of a deal?

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I'm really curious to see how many detachment points the grey hunter themed detachment is. I find it ironic that it effectively gives them combat squads, but that fixes the unit IMO. I just don't know if the buffs to one unit could justify it being more than a point. 

[Captain Idaho]

30 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Because the detachments are being shoe horned in with the 10th Ed rules.

 

I would imagine the codex detachments won't have the wonky keyword applications.

 

Is it really that big of a deal?

 

Yes, the mental load of the game is too high.

[Subtleknife]

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[Tastyfish]

14 hours ago, TheMawr said:

 

While typing this I decided to listen to the video if they say anything about it not said in the article (even if I dislike those talking videos). And they talk about adding tactical brigade detachment to the codex detachments, wich seems to confirm the above theory that the codex ones ( or at least some ) are 2 point detachments and Taktikal brigade is a 1 point detachment.

 

 

You could take a theoretical 3 point codex detachment and a 1 point taktical brigade at 3K...

 

Though to make things more confusing, today's marine video described the Librarian Conclave as a detachment that has no stratagems but 5 enhancements! 

Edited yesterday at 07:47 PM by Tastyfish

[Emperor Ming]

WAGONS!

 

[GenerationTerrorist]

I'm liking the thought of the Land speeder detachment as part of a Ravenwing army.

[jaxom]

This is, to use a US Americanism, the Wild West. It’s crazy and wild and I think completely needs a full picture to make any amount of sense.

[HeadlessCross]

3 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

 

I would imagine the check continues every turn until you pass it, but I don't believe they've said anything more concrete yet. 

That's about what the video says per the Competitive SubReddit. I think it's great. 

[HeadlessCross]

57 minutes ago, Tastyfish said:

 

You could take a theoretical 3 point codex detachment and a 1 point taktical brigade at 3K...

 

Though to make things more confusing, today's marine video described the Librarian Conclave as a detachment that has no stratagems but 5 enhancements! 

Seeing as it's been hinted that Conclave is a 1 Point Detachment, it's a good glimpse into what we might expect of other similar price points. Now I'm just thinking of doing a Deathwatch army where I use the Conclave for some Terminator Librarians + a basic one with Sternguard (assuming the latter combo will still exist) and then go into a different detachment for the other Kill Teams so I don't have to spend as much on characters.

 

The list building implications are actually pretty exciting to me since it's like looking at how Allies can help a certain build. 

[jaxom]

I agree with @Captain Idaho that there’s a high ceiling for mental load. Unfortunately, I haven’t seen anything to indicate where the the floor is. I also agree with @HeadlessCross that the potential is exciting. 
 

In a minor way this may have introduced a greater degree of personalization at the army level than has previously been possible. 

[Orange Knight]

3 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Because the detachments are being shoe horned in with the 10th Ed rules.

 

I would imagine the codex detachments won't have the wonky keyword applications.

 

Is it really that big of a deal?

 

I think it is a big deal, yeah.

 

Hopefully the actual codex release cleans all this up. It's a an absolute mess.

[Tastyfish]

2 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

Seeing as it's been hinted that Conclave is a 1 Point Detachment, it's a good glimpse into what we might expect of other similar price points. Now I'm just thinking of doing a Deathwatch army where I use the Conclave for some Terminator Librarians + a basic one with Sternguard (assuming the latter combo will still exist) and then go into a different detachment for the other Kill Teams so I don't have to spend as much on characters.

 

The list building implications are actually pretty exciting to me since it's like looking at how Allies can help a certain build. 

 

I'm eagerly awaiting the first Chaos/Daemons or Agents video for that reason too.

[Tastyfish]

4 hours ago, Captain Idaho said:

My question is; why don't all those units have the keyword "Speeder" already?

Because you can't double down on specialisations, so if there was a "Speeders are really fast" detachment, you can't combine that with the "Speeders can come on from everywhere" detachment. It's less a keyword to specify those units, but more a keyword for the focus of the detachment.

 

Your army can specialise in having speeders, but in the same way you can't double up strats, you not intended to be able to double up detachment bonuses on one niche element, you've got to pick how your army specialises in using them; high speed strafing runs or as mobile reserves, to use our example.

[HeadlessCross]

5 minutes ago, Tastyfish said:

Because you can't double down on specialisations, so if there was a "Speeders are really fast" detachment, you can't combine that with the "Speeders can come on from everywhere" detachment. It's less a keyword to specify those units, but more a keyword for the focus of the detachment.

 

Your army can specialise in having speeders, but in the same way you can't double up strats, you not intended to be able to double up detachment bonuses on one niche element, you've got to pick how your army specialises in using them; high speed strafing runs or as mobile reserves, to use our example.

I can understand that it's a convoluted way of stopping a bunch of bonuses stacking, but I'd rather they overword certain things vs throwing all care out the window. 

[Antarius]

7 hours ago, jaxom said:

This is, to use a US Americanism, the Wild West. It’s crazy and wild and I think completely needs a full picture to make any amount of sense.

Yeah. I'm constantly reminding myself that it's always like this in the lead up to a new edition. Everything seems weird and you can't really make sense of it, until you get the full picture.

There's also usually a lot of Doom & Gloom and it can be hard to not get caught up in the perceived effect of the changes and how they might influence everything else. But it really pays to remember that perceived effect is the keyword here. Speaking of keywords, those are the part I'm most worried about personally as "layering" of keywords and their effects can become quite confusing if there are a lot of them, but we shall see.

Actually, I think I might try to hold off on following all these lead-up articles as they mostly just end up poisoning the well anyway (at least that's my experience; people obviously feel very differently about these sorts of things).

[Indy Techwisp]

The Faction Focus for the Astra Militarum is up on the 40k YouTube channel.

https://youtu.be/ZR-yzlgyNgE?si=xEHB7hxUNu-DFusl

Edited 14 hours ago by Indy Techwisp

[lonewolf81]

So the counter charge detachment rule comes in effect only if i want to play heroic intervention more than once and have 2 or more CP to spend only on heroic intervention. That doesnt look playable. None will pick this detachment outside of maybe super friendly games because you dont get an actual detachment bonus. 

I mostly play 1000 incursion games. These new detachments look to be designed as 1 point detachments to pick in addition to your old probably 2 point detachments. If that is the case ( we dont have the full rules for army organization yet) none will pick 2 of those one point detachments over an old 2 point detachment ( if they are 2 points in the first place but i assume they would be otherwise if they are 3 points the old detachments will be unplayable in incursion.

Just some of my thoughts 

[Dried]

1 hour ago, lonewolf81 said:

So the counter charge detachment rule comes in effect only if i want to play heroic intervention more than once and have 2 or more CP to spend only on heroic intervention. That doesnt look playable. None will pick this detachment outside of maybe super friendly games because you dont get an actual detachment bonus. 

I mostly play 1000 incursion games. These new detachments look to be designed as 1 point detachments to pick in addition to your old probably 2 point detachments. If that is the case ( we dont have the full rules for army organization yet) none will pick 2 of those one point detachments over an old 2 point detachment ( if they are 2 points in the first place but i assume they would be otherwise if they are 3 points the old detachments will be unplayable in incursion.

Just some of my thoughts 

I think old detachments are 3 points and they give us the new ones to still be able to play 1k points game with our armies. Otherwise they wouldn't have bother at all to give 70+ detachments (but we would have to wait for our codex).

Edited 12 hours ago by Dried

[jaxom]

The blind man at the front said, “It’s a snake.” The blind man at the side said, “It’s a tree.” The blind man at the rear said, “It’s “

 

I think we need the whole picture. So far there’s been little pattern to see. Do we even know if the previews of detachments are all that is in the previewed detachment?

[Tastyfish]

10 minutes ago, jaxom said:

The blind man at the front said, “It’s a snake.” The blind man at the side said, “It’s a tree.” The blind man at the rear said, “It’s “

 

I think we need the whole picture. So far there’s been little pattern to see. Do we even know if the previews of detachments are all that is in the previewed detachment?

The videos are more complete, and usually say how much more there is in the detachment even if they don't cover it. The standard seems to be one enhancement and three strats, plus an ability.

[jaxom]

1 hour ago, Tastyfish said:

The videos are more complete, and usually say how much more there is in the detachment even if they don't cover it. The standard seems to be one enhancement and three strats, plus an ability.

Sure, but out of 70, how many are like that compared to being like Librarius?