New Warhammer 40,000 Edition announced!

[ZeroWolf]

30 minutes ago, Frogian said:

Didn't the heresy starter sell pretty badly? Places were discounting it by 30% from the off. What old world starter set was there? 

There was two:

Bretonians and Tomb Kings. Each one gave you an army (containing one new plastic kit), rule book and dice & templates

[Lord Marshal]

49 minutes ago, Frogian said:

Didn't the heresy starter sell pretty badly? Places were discounting it by 30% from the off. What old world starter set was there? 

 

Wayland admitted on DakkaDakka they'd over ordered on them, thus the fire sale. Since it's hard to argue with 30% off, other stores had to match it since people were cancelling their own pre-orders to order from Wayland instead. Naturally the influencers jumped on the potential drama and held it up as "3.0 is a flop" since there were already grumblings about the rules and people are desperate for GW to catch an L - even though the 30% was, iirc, exclusively a UK thing spurred on by Wayland.

 

GW weren't literally giving Saturnines away at Adepticon like they had Skaventide and Dominion, so it can't have done that badly overall. 

 

As ZeroWolf says, there were Bretonnian and Tomb Kings sets. GW seems to have pulled them off the webstore now, but you can still find them third party.

 

Edited yesterday at 04:06 PM by Lord Marshal

[Mogger351]

5 hours ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

Wayland admitted on DakkaDakka they'd over ordered on them, thus the fire sale. Since it's hard to argue with 30% off, other stores had to match it since people were cancelling their own pre-orders to order from Wayland instead. Naturally the influencers jumped on the potential drama and held it up as "3.0 is a flop" since there were already grumblings about the rules and people are desperate for GW to catch an L - even though the 30% was, iirc, exclusively a UK thing spurred on by Wayland.

 

GW weren't literally giving Saturnines away at Adepticon like they had Skaventide and Dominion, so it can't have done that badly overall. 

 

As ZeroWolf says, there were Bretonnian and Tomb Kings sets. GW seems to have pulled them off the webstore now, but you can still find them third party.

 

Yes and no, wayland overbought because they'd been hyped up by GW into HH being a 40k new edition level drop. It wasn't, not enough people were interested, so they had to drop the price.

 

We can't say for certain but it might have avoided being a flop in part because of that discount.

[Jukkiz]

returning to the "primaris devastators" AKA gravis units, i suspect they are just now Heavy bolter or melta squad. 

Primaris lines been super weird with Heresy styled squads of one weapon type. I doubt primarinades are getting Devastator squad kinda loadout options as current Eradicators sprues are packed full and applying Heavy bolters rises prices by 5-8€ if GW continues their pricing. 

Eradicator are melta squad. 
Desolation are rocket launcher
 Infernus are Flamer
Hellblaster are Plasma
Intercessor are Bolter

other primarinades are just lighter/heavier squad with different roles, correct? 

[Karhedron]

Inceptors are jumpy Gravis with Plasma and Bolter options. 

[jaxom]

29 minutes ago, Jukkiz said:

other primarinades are just lighter/heavier squad with different roles, correct? 

Huh, I’ve not broken it down that way. Let’s see:

 

Melta - Eradicators

Rocket - Desolators, Aggressors (frag only)

Flamer - Infernus, Aggressors

Plasma - Hellblasters, Inceptors

Heavy Bolters - Heavy Intercessors (maybe, opinions vary), Inceptors

Bolter - Intercessors, Heavy Intercessors (maybe, opinions vary), Infiltrators, Incursors

[Jukkiz]

1 minute ago, jaxom said:

Huh, I’ve not broken it down that way. Let’s see:

 

Melta - Eradicators

Rocket - Desolators, Aggressors (frag only)

Flamer - Infernus, Aggressors

Plasma - Hellblasters, Inceptors

Heavy Bolters - Heavy Intercessors (maybe, opinions vary), Inceptors

Bolter - Intercessors, Heavy Intercessors (maybe, opinions vary), Infiltrators, Incursors

Heavy bolt rifle is still bolt weapon. But Heavy intercessors are wearing Gravis and Gravis situation is another can of worms. 

Gravis units being,
Inceptors, Plasma/Bolt jumpy unit
Heavy intercessors. heavy bolt rifle on foot unit
Aggressors. Rockets and bolt gauntlets on foot closecombat unit 

Eradicators, melta short ranged unit. (heavy bolter unit soon aswell)

wouldn´t it be better to make Eradicators and Heavy intercessors one unit, with 3 different weapon options, plus extras? 

[ThePenitentOne]

1 hour ago, Jukkiz said:

Heavy bolt rifle is still bolt weapon. But Heavy intercessors are wearing Gravis and Gravis situation is another can of worms. 
wouldn´t it be better to make Eradicators and Heavy intercessors one unit, with 3 different weapon options, plus extras? 

Maybe, but because GW cancelled costed equipment, you can't make a unit than can take EITHER bolters or meltas because assuming equal points, who is gonna take bolters?

 

It's possible we'll see mixed equipment marines in Gravis, Tacticus and Phobos armour. I'd be a bit sad for Deathwatch, because that's basically Indomitor, Fortis and Spectrus Kill teams, and it would suck for them to lose one of the things that makes them unique... But now that Firstborn are gone, Marines need something to fill the mixed equipment void.

[Mogger351]

Someone posted a weird set of photos on Reddit from some one reportedly having a large box of prepainted GW terrain.

 

It's not a set I recognise but I can't imagine someone would willingly paint it that uniformly on the sprue. There's also one where some overspray sheet seems to have been trapped between  2 sprues.

 

The post has been deleted now, bit I managed to swipe pics.

 

[ThaneOfTas]

16 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

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Well that definitely looks to be a new set of terrain to me. kind of crazy that its pre-painted though, Has GW ever done that?

Also have to wonder if there'll also be unpainted versions, because 40k terrain is expensive enough as it is, I hate to think how bad a pre-painted set would be, plus I actuallu like painting Terrain, its a fun palate cleanser. 

[Mogger351]

6 minutes ago, ThaneOfTas said:

Well that definitely looks to be a new set of terrain to me. kind of crazy that its pre-painted though, Has GW ever done that?

Also have to wonder if there'll also be unpainted versions, because 40k terrain is expensive enough as it is, I hate to think how bad a pre-painted set would be, plus I actuallu like painting Terrain, its a fun palate cleanser. 

It explains a lot of the expense and delay in an entire worhouse for their new paint set up though at least.

 

It's unusual for GW to sell 2 formats of the same product at different prices, so remains to be seen I guess.

 

Regards it being nice painting terrain, I do agree, but they're trying to get tournaments on board with moving away from prepainted mdf and the average hobbyist in my experience treats terrain as an afterthought as it's instead of buying more minis. Plus it's usually bare unpainted stuff if they do.

[Antarius]

Is it just me or does it seem like there are print lines on the terrain? I mean, it wouldn't make sense with the sprues and all, but it just looks that way to me... Might be something else.

In any case, if they do start selling prepainted terrain, I sure hope they don't start exclusively doing that (although I guess I have enough terrain and terrain building materials to last me a lifetime).

They did experiment with those prepainted MDF pieces for Kill Team, but I have no idea whether those were successful or not? It seems like that's a path that would make more sense, but I guess maybe they figure that customers might be more willing to pay premium prices for actual GW plastic terrain?
Or maybe it's all some weird fake-job? Would be a weird thing to do, but who knows?

[Mogger351]

2 minutes ago, Antarius said:

Is it just me or does it seem like there are print lines on the terrain? I mean, it wouldn't make sense with the sprues and all, but it just looks that way to me... Might be something else.

In any case, if they do start selling prepainted terrain, I sure hope they don't start exclusively doing that (although I guess I have enough terrain and terrain building materials to last me a lifetime).

They did experiment with those prepainted MDF pieces for Kill Team, but I have no idea whether those were successful or not? It seems like that's a path that would make more sense, but I guess maybe they figure that customers might be more willing to pay premium prices for actual GW plastic terrain?
Or maybe it's all some weird fake-job? Would be a weird thing to do, but who knows?

I suspect the layer lines are from the painting machine more than anything?

[Antarius]

8 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

I suspect the layer lines are from the painting machine more than anything?

That's probably it, yeah.

Bit of a weird look, but I suppose if you want pre-painted terrain it might not matter too much.

[AppleCrumble]

It reminds me of dungeons and lasers prismacast dungeon sprues, even down to the slightly ‘bity’ and glossy finish.

[Alby the Slayer]

That's very interesting.

 

It appears chinese/mandarin language printend on the sacks on the floor near discarded painted sheets. 

 

[Mogger351]

An assembled pic has now appeared, they resemble the suggested GW terrain layouts very closely...

[Nephaston]

Seems serviceable. The paint job is of course rough and the sprue gates will also need covering, but nothing a coat of varnish and some corrective layers of paint won't fix.

 

Now the price will be the main factor. 

[Orange Knight]

Pre painted terrain will be amazing. I already have a lot of painted GW terrain, but would definitely add a few extra bits if I didn't have to paint more of it lol

[Lord Marshal]

Frankly the paint job is better than I'd have expected for pre-painted terrain, although my exposure to such things is limited. Maybe I'm still just traumatised from Mongoose's attempts decades ago. 

[Marshal Loss]

Would prefer it to come unpainted, I quite enjoy painting terrain. Designs look cool though

[Crimson Longinus]

Eww. The paintjob already looks questionable in these photos, I'm sure it will look worse live. And GW terrain is already expensive, and this will indubitably increase the price even further. Bad move.

[Karhedron]

Not a fan of the light "halo" effect they have tried by just spraying yellow around the bulbs but that is just personal taste. However they look perfectly serviceable and will definitely fill a niche for some people. Price will be the determining factor here. What will it cost to populate a battlefield for a 2000 point game?

[DemonGSides]

29 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

Not a fan of the light "halo" effect they have tried by just spraying yellow around the bulbs but that is just personal taste. However they look perfectly serviceable and will definitely fill a niche for some people. Price will be the determining factor here. What will it cost to populate a battlefield for a 2000 point game?

 

$2000 going by current prices. I joke, but terrain is laughably over priced for something most people don't want to buy over cool new toys. 

[Mogger351]

19 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

$2000 going by current prices. I joke, but terrain is laughably over priced for something most people don't want to buy over cool new toys. 

They seem to have navigated themselves into a corner where they don't sell much so upcharge it so they sell less, when it needs to almost be a loss leader.