New Warhammer 40,000 Edition announced!

[Orange Knight]

14 minutes ago, Antarius said:

I don't really think there are a lot of people who get into the hobby just to spoil it for the rest of us.

 

The "tourists" and "terraformers" I speak of never really get into the hobby, nor do they often make the effort to engage with the community via avenues like this forum. I would say most people on the forum are indeed veterans of the hobby. You see these vocal "invaders" on platforms like X, or other more public forums where they want to be heard. 

I also recognise that some veterans may well feel the same. It's why I mentioned that things like these are largely subjective which further muddies the discussion.

But anyways, back to the models and terrain and new info we get drip fed.

[Crimson Longinus]

The direction in this hobby that I am not so keen on, is the creativity and "your guys" attitude being sidelined. Official character with official lore painted in official colour schemes (no doubt soon to be prepainted by robots,) leading units with limited gear choices fighting on official prepainted terrain arranged in fixed layouts so that every table is the same. It is all just so sterile...

 

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[HeadlessCross]

9 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

 

The "tourists" and "terraformers" I speak of never really get into the hobby, nor do they often make the effort to engage with the community via avenues like this forum. I would say most people on the forum are indeed veterans of the hobby. You see these vocal "invaders" on platforms like X, or other more public forums where they want to be heard. 

I also recognise that some veterans may well feel the same. It's why I mentioned that things like these are largely subjective which further muddies the discussion.

But anyways, back to the models and terrain and new info we get drip fed.

You didn't answer my question earlier. Is the hobby 40k or miniature building/painting or wargaming? These are pretty distinct choices that often meld together but can be exclusive. 

[Evil Eye]

1 hour ago, HeadlessCross said:

You didn't answer my question earlier. Is the hobby 40k or miniature building/painting or wargaming? These are pretty distinct choices that often meld together but can be exclusive. 

40K is just one game in the tabletop wargaming hobby, which is somewhat intrinsically linked to miniature modelling. You can be a fan of wargaming but not 40K, but I'd be  suspicious of someone who claims to be a fan of 40K but has no interest in the miniature modelling element or tabletop wargaming in general.

[Orange Knight]

2 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

You didn't answer my question earlier. Is the hobby 40k or miniature building/painting or wargaming? These are pretty distinct choices that often meld together but can be exclusive. 

 

The "Hobby" encompasses all of these things. That doesn't mean that participation in the hobby demands engagement with all of them.

[Lexington]

11 hours ago, Lord Blacksteel said:

A reminder that pre-painted terrain has been on the market and widely available for years. See the "Battlefield in a Box" line for one example. Some of it is pretty well done.  I realize GW entering that market could have an impact, especially with them directing players towards certain terrain layouts and then producing pre-painted versions of those layouts but outside of maybe the tournament scene  no one should feel obligated to use them.

 

Yeah, this is my take as well, more or less. Hand-painting terrain's been an option rather than a requirement for quite a while now. My friends who run multi-filament printers are getting table-ready stuff right off the plate these days. Over in Infinity land, Warsenal's been making eye-poppingly gorgeous pre-printed terrain for years now, and they're not the only ones in the market. It's definitely meant that you see more finished tables out there in the community, but it's certainly not stopped or even slightly slowed the march of interesting new hand-built layouts. It's great!

 

The problem with 40K isn't pre-painted terrain, it's pre-made table layouts, and the community's sad, simpering surrender to that absurd idea, all in the name of "well, that's how everyone else is going to play..." It's, again, sad. Man, is it ever sad. Seriously, people need to learn how to properly sneer at GW's nonsense and take ownership of their own damned game environment.

[jaxom]

2 minutes ago, Lexington said:

Seriously, people need to learn how to properly sneer at GW's nonsense and take ownership of their own damned game environment.

Don't forget Frontline Gaming's role in all this.