New Multi-Part Outriders

[Rowland]

1 hour ago, Evil Eye said:

I will say I am glad the bikes do still have wheels and not grav plates. For all that I'm not the biggest fan of the design (they look even less steerable than the previous design, which already looked like they would suffer from a very wide turning circle!) they aren't awful and they are at least still bikes with wheels.

 

Man there is something funny about the old RT bikes being arguably the least impractical looking Space Marine bike design, even with the spiked wheels!

Agreed, there’s always been a Judge Dredd thing going on with them.  Totally bonkers.  Anti Grav stuff just sounds like too much sensible nonsense.

[FarFromSam]

9 hours ago, Lexington said:

I think there’s a very strong feeling within GW right now that the original Primaris wave was too much of a departure from the classic things that made Space Marines work, and things like hover vehicles have been consequently shelved.

For good reason.  It ruins the setting and premise of 40k, and doesn't make sense while doing.  Like Cawl Stark rebuilt the empire inside of a cave and did it better than the Emperor, while keeping it a secret.   

 

The only time GW changes course is when it is financially incentivised to do so.  And it is clear now that cawl, and primaris are reviled by a significantly larger financial player base.  

 

You can have floaty bikes in the Horurs Heresy.  They are excellent.  Heck ya can have em in 40k.  They are excellent.  But as a Dark Angel's player named Samuel, I feel it is my honor bound duty to inform you that the Tech for hovering bikes has since passed into obscurity and can never be replicated. 

[Lord Marshal]

24 minutes ago, FarFromSam said:

For good reason.  It ruins the setting and premise of 40k, and doesn't make sense while doing.  Like Cawl Stark rebuilt the empire inside of a cave and did it better than the Emperor, while keeping it a secret.   

 

The only time GW changes course is when it is financially incentivised to do so.  And it is clear now that cawl, and primaris are reviled by a significantly larger financial player base.  

 

You can have floaty bikes in the Horurs Heresy.  They are excellent.  Heck ya can have em in 40k.  They are excellent.  But as a Dark Angel's player named Samuel, I feel it is my honor bound duty to inform you that the Tech for hovering bikes has since passed into obscurity and can never be replicated. 

 

I highly doubt the number of people not buying Primaris outnumbers the people who are, and I say that as somebody whose never liked their fluff. The vast majority of Primaris haters have long ago bought into replacing their Firstborn with 99% Primaris armies, all the while grumbling about it - but affording GW their money all the same. I see a lot more Gladiators and Repulsors on 40k tables than I do Predators these days.

 

I think they just know they can do two things at once: sell you Primaris while also winking at the nostalgia factor of tracked vehicles, kinda like with Terminators. "Oh yeah those giant Indomitus Termies who are way bigger than Chaos and 30k Termies? Uhhh, sure dude, you can totally say they're actually Firstborn under there if you want... haha, cool dude, sure, sure, whatever helps you sleep at night, just hand over the money dude."

 

Either way, they're still getting your money and nearly everybody's still buying Primaris.

 

The recent White Scars character on his Primaris Jetbike or whatever seems like foreshadowing for the inevitable anyway. That these are still called Outriders (incidentally also the classification for tracked bikes in Heresy) probably lends credence to them doing a different style of bike (probably jetbikes) in the future.

 

 

Edited June 30 by Lord Marshal

[Crimson Longinus]

I like the outrider bike design, but I also like the grav-bike Suboden Khan has. I'd like to have both grav and normal bikes, but it would be hard to give them sufficiently different roles in the game. Perhaps, the grav-bikes could be ridden by phobos marines, and be some sort of super fast recon unit?

[Nephaston]

16 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

The recent White Scars character on his Primaris Jetbike or whatever seems like foreshadowing for the inevitable anyway. That these are still called Outriders (incidentally also the classification for tracked bikes in Heresy) probably lends credence to them doing a different style of bike (probably jetbikes) in the future.

As an enjoyer of the Light/Medium/Heavy paradigm I'm gonna argue and wish for both phobos and gravis bikers; the Phobos ones should be on dirtbikes, stepping on genestealer toes left and right, while the gravis ones get grav(is) bikes like suboden.

[redmapa]

2 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

As an enjoyer of the Light/Medium/Heavy paradigm I'm gonna argue and wish for both phobos and gravis bikers; the Phobos ones should be on dirtbikes, stepping on genestealer toes left and right, while the gravis ones get grav(is) bikes like suboden.

 

At that point just bring back Scout bikes, I want Crusader squads on bikes to return darn it!

Edited June 30 by redmapa

[SvenIronhand]

38 minutes ago, FarFromSam said:

And it is clear now that cawl, and primaris are reviled by a significantly larger financial player base.  

 

No, it isn't. Full stop. They are still producing novels about him and they are still making Primaris marines.

Edited June 30 by SvenIronhand

[Nephaston]

1 minute ago, redmapa said:

 

At that point just bring back Scout bikes, I want Crusader squads on bikes to return darn it!

They could do the thing they did in 30k where the bike and the rider are on separate sprues to facilitate differently armoured riders for the same bike. (Let's just ignore that we are waiting for a second type of heresy biker)

[Orange Knight]

40 minutes ago, FarFromSam said:

The only time GW changes course is when it is financially incentivised to do so.  And it is clear now that cawl, and primaris are reviled by a significantly larger financial player base.  

 

 

Careful with making such definitive statements, especially when they are wrong.

The introduction of Primaris in 8th was part of the biggest growth in popularity for the hobby. To this day, they remain extremely popular, and Marines continue to be the best selling faction.

Meanwhile the Horus Heresy, which focuses on classic Marines, is floundering.

[Jukkiz]

People seem ot forget this fellow, curretnly in 40k. Plus necromunda gangers have gravbikes(kinda) 

[Orange Knight]

18 hours ago, Jukkiz said:

People seem ot forget this fellow, curretnly in 40k. Plus necromunda gangers have gravbikes(kinda) 

 

Yes, and those Necromunda jet bikes throw away any kind of argument that we can't see other flying bikes used by the Imperium, and not just Marines!

 

 

Edited July 1 by Orange Knight

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

1 hour ago, Nephaston said:

As an enjoyer of the Light/Medium/Heavy paradigm I'm gonna argue and wish for both phobos and gravis bikers; the Phobos ones should be on dirtbikes, stepping on genestealer toes left and right, while the gravis ones get grav(is) bikes like suboden.

 

I'd prefer if they gave the grav-bikes to the Phobos troops for enhanced scouting/speed/stealth capability and let any Gravis crossover with speediness begin and end with Inceptors.

[Evil Eye]

Re: Primaris causing the "biggest growth in GW history" this is incorrect; Contrast saved GW from going bankrupt (post Primaris even) and the lockdowns motivating a lot of hobby spending was also a huge contributor to GW's current success. I think Primaris coinciding with some very good fortune on GW's part should not be confused with Primaris saving GW.

 

Anyway let's not let this devolve into another argument between fans of classic Marines and Primaris.

 

Scout bikes returning would be nice, for certain. Attack bikes too, especially as their planned replacement (the Invader ATV) is slated for the chopping block.

[phandaal]

1 hour ago, Evil Eye said:

Anyway let's not let this devolve into another argument between fans of classic Marines and Primaris.

 

[Redacted joke about people wanting the thread locked]

 

I actually like Outriders, having converted a bunch of them into my own upscaled Ravenwing Black Knights and Ravenwing command squad because GW held out on me. These new ones are fine, which is to say, they look like Outriders. You either like Outriders or not... And this is just a kit for something that was push-fit for way too long. It does the job.

 

Edited June 30 by phandaal
The meatball was too spicy

[HeadlessCross]

5 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

Re: Primaris causing the "biggest growth in GW history" this is incorrect; Contrast saved GW from going bankrupt (post Primaris even) and the lockdowns motivating a lot of hobby spending was also a huge contributor to GW's current success. I think Primaris coinciding with some very good fortune on GW's part should not be confused with Primaris saving GW.

 

Anyway let's not let this devolve into another argument between fans of classic Marines and Primaris.

 

Scout bikes returning would be nice, for certain. Attack bikes too, especially as their planned replacement (the Invader ATV) is slated for the chopping block.

If there weren't a huge Marine refresh, sales would not have spiked during lockdowns. I don't know why people are pretending otherwise. All the old kits were still there. 

[Evil Eye]

1 minute ago, HeadlessCross said:

If there weren't a huge Marine refresh, sales would not have spiked during lockdowns. I don't know why people are pretending otherwise. All the old kits were still there. 

The question is would the refresh have done any worse had they just rescaled Marines as opposed to completely redesigning them and giving them new fluff.

[Orange Knight]

13 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

Anyway let's not let this devolve into another argument between fans of classic Marines and Primaris.

 

Sure.

 

But I'm a bit fatigued with people getting anti-Primaris jabs in, and when someone make a counter point, suddenly we have to avoid the argument.

 

It's beyond Tedious, and pretending it isn't a problem is also disingenuous. 

 

3 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

The question is would the refresh have done any worse had they just rescaled Marines as opposed to completely redesigning them and giving them new fluff.

 

For me personally? I would much rather have Primaris than the 8th minor refresh, yes

 

Anyways, follow your own advice - No more Primaris vs Classic debate.

Edited June 30 by Orange Knight

[Flaherty]

11 hours ago, Lexington said:

I think there’s a very strong feeling within GW right now that the original Primaris wave was too much of a departure from the classic things that made Space Marines work, and things like hover vehicles have been consequently shelved.

That may be true aesthetically, but the launch of Primaris in May 2017 may have been the best financial decision they ever made.

[Robbienw]

1 hour ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Careful with making such definitive statements, especially when they are wrong.

The introduction of Primaris in 8th was part of the biggest growth in popularity for the hobby. To this day, they remain extremely popular, and Marines continue to be the best selling faction.

Meanwhile the Horus Heresy, which focuses on classic Marines, is floundering.

 

Unless you have exact sales figures from GW, broken down by faction and by kits (which you obviously don’t ) then this is argument by assertion fallacy.

[phandaal]

Something else that came to mind from my own experience - Outrider kits have been dirt cheap for a long time thanks to so many unwanted box set kits out there.

 

Wonder if that will hurt the sales of this new box, since people who wanted Outriders only had to be resourceful enough to use eBay to get them for way below box price for many years already. This new kit does have more options in it, so maybe that will get more people to pick it up.

[Orange Knight]

16 minutes ago, Flaherty said:

That may be true aesthetically, but the launch of Primaris in May 2017 may have been the best financial decision they ever made.

 

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Primaris were one of the main catalysts in the exponential growth of GW after 20 years of stagnation. 

 

It's right here for all to see.

[DemonGSides]

On 6/30/2026 at 5:00 PM, phandaal said:

I actually like Outriders, having converted a bunch of them into my own upscaled Ravenwing Black Knights and Ravenwing command squad because GW held out on me. These new ones are fine, which is to say, they look like Outriders. You either like Outriders or not... And this is just a kit for something that was push-fit for way too long. It does the job.

 

I just don't care for scout bikes, never really got the point of them.

 

Otherwise I mostly agree with the rest of Evils post. I don't think Primaris is solely to blame for GW finding new found success, tho I do think they'd (naturally) downplay the impact it had. A new paint line for sure also didn't save GW on its own; it was multiple things plus also the pandemic giving a good reason for a lot of people (and in American cases, a good amount of free extra spending money) to splurge on inside hobbies.

 

Edited July 3 by Captain Idaho
Removed unnecessary comment.

[Orange Knight]

GW's exponential growth started in 2017, long before the pandemic.

 

Do you know what happened in 2017?

 

They released Primaris Marines and started to advance the story again.

[Lexington]

28 minutes ago, Flaherty said:

That may be true aesthetically, but the launch of Primaris in May 2017 may have been the best financial decision they ever made.

 

Oh, sure, definitely, and I'm not saying otherwise. I think this may largely be a creative decision that's not important enough for a whole lot of management involvement. It's also possible that certain subsequent Primaris models like the expanded Grav Tanks released in 9th didn't sell as well as hoped, while Leviathan and its new-but-mostly-unchanged Terminators were apparently absurdly successful - like, possibly the best-selling product in GW's history - and that's motivated GW to go in a more conservative direction. Hell, both could be true! Or neither, and there's some other sset of reasons for this that we, as consumers, are blind to. Regardless, whatever's motivating it behind the scenes, I think we're definitely been a change in approach, with GW starting to prefer simply re-doing older Marine concepts in Primaris scale rather than pushing for new things.

Edited June 30 by Lexington

[brother_b]

I like the bikes. Although my white scars army is mostly foot sloggers and generally performs like a regular army. I of course want to add that chunky quick bike squad so the options are appreciated.

 

I wasn’t a fan of Primaris not because of the models, I thought they were always pretty wonderful if a little plain. My issue was all of the Miniatures I had spent time and money and battled with over the years that were obviously going to be invalidated. I think a lot of people’s angst revolved around that reality.

Edited June 30 by brother_b