Codex: Space Marines | Multi-Part Intercessor & Vanguard Vet Teaser | Legends Culling

[Lord Marshal]

Rest in spaghetti, Firstborn.

 

 

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Yes, the new Codex: Space Marines is on the way, and the Adeptus Astartes are undergoing some serious improvements. Your basic warriors are becoming Strength 5 – that includes combat knives, chainswords AND bolt pistols. Meanwhile, Intercessor bolt rifles now have two fire modes – one that’s Strength 5 and the other a whopping Strength 6. Warriors in Tacticus plate are also moving to Toughness 5!

 

 

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Heretic Astartes and Codex-divergent Chapters will get similar boosts to bring them in line with these new rules, so everyone can enjoy Toughness 6 Terminators firing Strength 5 storm bolters. These will automatically update in Warhammer 40,000: The App when Codex: Space Marines launches in October.

 

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As with Legends rules, Legendary Proxies can be used at home, in stores, clubs, and campaigns, but if attending a competitive Warhammer event, these units should only be used with the permission of the event organiser.

 

The following units are leaving the codex and becoming Legendary Proxies.

• Tactical Squad – counts as an Intercessor Squad
• Devastator Squad – counts as a Desolation Squad
• Suppressor Squad  – counts as an Inceptor Squad
• Pedro Kantor – counts as a Captain
• Uriel Ventris  – counts as a Captain

 

 

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These units are leaving the codex, but will get Warhammer Legends rules:

• Centurion Assault Squad
• Centurion Devastator Squad
• Razorback
• Predator Destructor
• Predator Annihilator
• Vindicator
• Whirlwind
• Stormhawk Interceptor
• Stormtalon Gunship
• Stormraven Gunship
• Hammerfall Bunker

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 03:58 PM by Lord Marshal

[RolandTHTG]

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As we heard, many venerable Space Marine units will be leaving the codex.

This doesn't mean that you need to stop using them in your games. Many of these units can continue to serve in your army using the rules for comparable units as “Legendary Proxies”, while other units will continue to be supported with Legends rules.

As with Legends rules, Legendary Proxies can be used at home, in stores, clubs, and campaigns, but if attending a competitive Warhammer event, these units should only be used with the permission of the event organiser.

The following units are leaving the codex and becoming Legendary Proxies.

Tactical Squad – counts as an Intercessor Squad

Devastator Squad – counts as a Desolation Squad

Suppressor Squad  – counts as an Inceptor Squad

Pedro Kantor – counts as a Captain

Uriel Ventris  – counts as a Captain

These units are leaving the codex, but will get Warhammer Legends rules:

Centurion Assault Squad

Centurion Devastator Squad

Razorback

Predator Destructor

Predator Annihilator

Vindicator

Whirlwind

Stormhawk Interceptor

Stormtalon Gunship

Stormraven Gunship

Hammerfall Bunker

Rules for Space Marine Legends units will also be added to the Warhammer 40,000 App alongside the codex, so it’s easier than ever to add them to your armies. This will be the pattern with Legends units in all armies as new codexes are released.

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From: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bbnskauh/big-space-marines-news/

[alfred_the_great]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bbnskauh/big-space-marines-news/

 

tidbits (all direct quotes):

Each warrior will be better, stronger, and faster, making them feel like the superhuman soldiers they are supposed to be. This will also mean an increase in points values, so armies will be smaller, playing like the elite strike forces from the lore.

 

Your basic warriors are becoming Strength 5

 

Phobos-armoured troops stay at Toughness 4, but get a movement boost to 8 inches

 

The following units are leaving the codex and becoming Legendary Proxies.

• Tactical Squad – counts as an Intercessor Squad

• Devastator Squad – counts as a Desolation Squad

• Suppressor Squad  – counts as an Inceptor Squad

• Pedro Kantor – counts as a Captain

• Uriel Ventris  – counts as a Captain

These units are leaving the codex, but will get Warhammer Legends rules:

• Centurion Assault Squad

• Centurion Devastator Squad

• Razorback

• Predator Destructor

• Predator Annihilator

• Vindicator

• Whirlwind

• Stormhawk Interceptor

• Stormtalon Gunship

• Stormraven Gunship

• Hammerfall Bunker

Edited 6 hours ago by Brother Tyler
Removed excess blank lines, changed font color to default (for contrast/readability)

[Mr Farson]

Primaris chads rise up! Marinelets finally relegated to their rightful home.

 

Looking forward to the scouring supplement now that reintroduces all those units 

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

I am in favor of the differentiation between Tacticus and Phobos. Bringing the standard Astartes one step closer to being a walking tank (albeit still many steps FROM that goal) is hard to hate.

[SvenIronhand]

4 minutes ago, Mr Farson said:

Primaris chads rise up! Marinelets finally relegated to their rightful home.

 

This but unironically.

[LittlePlasticHomies]

Hammerfall getting axed this quickly is probably the biggest surprise.

[Mogger351]

What on earth are they giving to some of the other forces in the interim?

 

2 wound gaunts, s6 ap-1 pulse rifles, lethal hits t5 necron warriors? What is the plan here to make it so nobody else sucks for years?

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

I feel so vindicated right now, to the point I think GW owe me a consulting fee.

 

I posted How I'd Redo Movement and Toughness in 2024 and the marine stuff is pretty much bang on.

[Brother Christopher]

Well, this isn't unexpected. But it still feels rubbish.

 

I'm curious what the reasoning behind the split between legendary proxies and legends was. If my melta Devastators are count-as Desolators, why can't my Predator be a Gladiator?

[Valkyrion]

I'm going to play 10th codexes using 11th rules, at least until all the armies I own or plan to own have had their 11th updates.

 

This is a huge problem with the 3 year time frame. 10th is finished, which means all the forces are as balanced as they will ever be, for good or for ill - some will have ended better than others, some will benefit from 11ths changes better than others, but at least it's done. 11th won't be done until 12th hits, and that includes those fortunate enough to have early releases. I know that is the way it always has been, but it's very frustrating. 

 

 

 

[Robbienw]

Given the strong rumours the rhino is coming back with a new model soon, is reasonable to assume the rhino variants will also return in due course.  So they are probably keeping the distinction there.

[Vassakov]

24 minutes ago, Brother Christopher said:

Well, this isn't unexpected. But it still feels rubbish.

 

I'm curious what the reasoning behind the split between legendary proxies and legends was. If my melta Devastators are count-as Desolators, why can't my Predator be a Gladiator?

 

I'm going to assume that a Power Armoured Marine on a 32mm base is basically the same as any other Power Armoured Marine on a 32mm base, whereas the profile physical dimensions of a Predator and Gladiator are very different, so the "proxy" doesn't work as well.

Edited Monday at 04:19 PM by Vassakov
Edited for clarity.

[Ramell]

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These will automatically update in Warhammer 40,000: The App when Codex: Space Marines launches in October

This was the most interesting part of the article for me. Maybe not surprising, but any confirmation is nice.

[Kommisar_K]

To all the noble Vindicators out there, you will be missed. May your forays from the Legends closet be frequent, and your future battles many. I have spoken.

[Lord Marshal]

Video also mentioned the codex supplements would be being retired, but whether or not this just means they're being index'ed until new ones drop or it's foreshadowing a return to Codex: Space Wolves etc I guess is up for debate.

 

At least until 12th when they'll probably go back to Supplements again, then back to full Codexes, so on.

[Orange Knight]

The actual rules and stat-lines sound brilliant. Basically what we've always wanted, and it makes perfect sense. Light armour = less toughness and faster movement? Yes please.

 

The units going to legends are as expected. It appears the rumors were all true.

 

GW can consolidate and streamline some of the units here across all the armies. For example - I don't feel that Space Wolves should have access to Intercessors now that they have their unique troop variants. Looking at what GW have done here, they could say that Space Wolf Intercessors count as Grey Hunters, and Bladeguard Veterans count as Head Takers.

Really lean into the thematic aspect of all the chapters, make it more of a give and take arrangement, etc etc. 

Edited Monday at 04:13 PM by Orange Knight

[Kommisar_K]

RIP the Vindicator. May all your gaming groups be accepting of Legends.

 

Now, I'm not sure where to put this so I'll put it here: if a Tactical squad can represent an Intercessor squad, are Intercessors getting special weapon options soon?

[Marshal Reinhard]

Kind of want to see break down of how Phobos, Tacticus, Gravis and Terminator armor will be now

[Lathe Biosas]

Makes me wonder how tough the new Custodes are going to be.

Edited Monday at 04:18 PM by Lathe Biosas
Originally posted in the wrong thread

[Marshal Reinhard]

I just realized, that since any and all devestators are desolation squads now... you could technically swap all guns on the desolation squad with the guns from a devastator kit now, and you'd not even have to explain the proxy.

[01RTB01]

14 minutes ago, Vassakov said:

 

I'm going to assume that a Power Armoured Marine on a 32mm base is basically the same as any other Power Armoured Marine on a 32mm base, whereas the profile of a Predator and Gladiator is very different, so the "proxy" doesn't work as well.

 

A predator with a big gun up top and heavy Bolter sponsons is radically different to a gladiator with big gun up top and Bolter sponsons. It'd never work. 

[Vassakov]

2 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

 

A predator with a big gun up top and heavy Bolter sponsons is radically different to a gladiator with big gun up top and Bolter sponsons. It'd never work. 

 

Yup, I meant "profile" as in "silhouette" but that was poor phrasing on my part.

[MoriyaSchism]

Awful poses on the multi-part vanguard veterans. 

[Indy Techwisp]

3 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

A predator with a big gun up top and heavy Bolter sponsons is radically different to a gladiator with big gun up top and Bolter sponsons. It'd never work. 

 

One has no base, the other has a base.

That's probably the divider.

 

Also, let's see if this Legends change does or does not screw over the 4 Chaos factions that rely on these vehicles.

(Keeping in mind that EC, who already lack them, are wildly regarded as being the weakest Cult faction by far as a result).

Edited Monday at 04:21 PM by Indy Techwisp