Codex: Space Marines | Multi-Part Intercessor & Vanguard Vet Teaser | Legends Culling

[Marshal Reinhard]

5 minutes ago, Lathe Biosas said:

 

Yes. The rumor mill says they will be getting new models in 9th 10th 11th edition.

Fair enough, I thought the resident rumour monger had touched on them more recently. I haven't really kept up

7 minutes ago, Matcap86 said:

 

Flying baby carriers?

I would have hoped new basic power armor and terminator models. Of course that'd do nothing to alleviate the concern that their list would be tiny.

[Indy Techwisp]

10 minutes ago, Ahzek451 said:

Curious about chaos. Unless GW has updated models waiting in the wings(not holding my breath), I would be (a little) surprised if GW removed the rhino, predator, vindicator. This takes large chunks out of the already small army lists. Maybe in time, but perhaps these units are safe for now in the chaos legions. I see multiple people asking in the facebook post and GW has given there boiler plate "There are not plans right now..". "We have not heard anything right now"..

 

Considering they're just the LSM kits with a CSM upgrade sprue, I wouldn't expect them to last long once they leave LSM proper.

IF they survive this edition, they probably won't survive the next.

And I doubt GW is gonna give everyone new CSM tank kits and instead push players towards thematically unfitting Daemon Engines that end up getting nerfed into the ground and tanking Detachment usability because they're practically the sole viable option and spammed as a result (looking at you Defilers).

Edited Monday at 05:07 PM by Indy Techwisp

[Indy Techwisp]

4 minutes ago, gaurdian31 said:

Glad they aren't going to let CSM languish for months like they did the last time when they gave all Space Marines 2 wounds and forgot to give them to Chaos until their codex released.

 

Let's hope that "Heretic Astartes" isn't literally just CSM and also applies to the Cults because the rest of this announcement (the Legends bit) currently looks like it's kicking them in the teeth.

[Osteoclast]

While I expected Centurions to go to legends, it still sucks. Maybe we’ll get a chonky Primaris down the line. 

[Wispy]

i like those multipart vanguard much more. Shields and some axes spliced in adds a lot.

[mecanojavi99]

I imagine that new flyers are already in the making to replace the ones that are going away.

 

What I find interesting is that, if I'm reading this correctly, units like Tacticals and Devastators won't even get legends rules, they are being straight up removed.

 

About the motor pool, it was almost entirely replaced and wouldn't surprise me if GW kept the old vehicles exclusive to Chaos from now on.

 

 

Pedro going away... Yeah, that one stings, hopefully he comes back in the future with a new model.

Edited Monday at 05:13 PM by mecanojavi99

[Mogger351]

1 minute ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Let's hope that "Heretic Astartes" isn't literally just CSM and also applies to the Cults because the rest of this announcement (the Legends bit) currently looks like it's kicking them in the teeth.

Tbh this article kicks most armies in the teeth in some capacity with, in my eyes, even only limited upside for loyalist marines.

 

Another feather in the should have been an index edition but they were too scared of backlash.

[Wispy]

also seems like they could have been more aggressive with the Counts As. Predators as gladiators, Centurions as Aggressors, etc.

[Brother Lutheriel]

Surprised the Firestrike Servo-turret isn't on the list. 

 

I kept hoping against hope that the Devastator Squad would get a Primaris box... I'll give up if they don't come out with the new Codex.

[ZeroWolf]

40 minutes ago, Dark Shepherd said:

marines are no longer a horde army, wild if true :)

 

am shocked the mario kart isnt legendsed, makes sense though with new captain

Considering that was part of the rumours, I'm surprised as well 

[Crimson Longinus]

It's a bit weird, that due the s6 and d2 of the focused fire profile, marines now actually kill other marines way easier than before. I think most of the buffs seem fineish, but I'm not at all sure that d2 on the basic weapon of the battleline unit of the most common army in the game is such a great idea. 

[Lathe Biosas]

3 minutes ago, Brother Lutheriel said:

Surprised the Firestrike Servo-turret isn't on the list. 

 

I kept hoping against hope that the Devastator Squad would get a Primaris box... I'll give up if they don't come out with the new Codex.

 

That's because the Servo Turret is amazing! I took one to a free for all tank megabattle last November... and lived!

Edited Monday at 05:21 PM by Lathe Biosas

[Indy Techwisp]

4 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Tbh this article kicks most armies in the teeth in some capacity with, in my eyes, even only limited upside for loyalist marines.

 

Another feather in the should have been an index edition but they were too scared of backlash.

 

TSons in particular are gonna be waiting for their codex for the edition's new Psychic system regardless, same as Grey Knights and I can't see GW pushing us earlier in the edition to make up for that.

 

Also yet again Deathguard coming out on top of the hypothetical worst scenario by Virtue of actually getting unique and thematically appropriate vehicles in the one edition they were a launch faction and thus being least effected if all CSM and Cult factions lose the Predators and Vindicators.

[Ahzek451]

19 minutes ago, Focslain said:

It might be a move to make the armies more different. Chaos keeps the old tech while the Loyalist get the new stuff. 

I've mentioned it in other places, but GW has a fantastic opportunity to retire the old vindicator/rhino/predator/land raider kits and simply re-purpose the newer(yet older)  plastic kits they have in Horus Heresy. Take the same sprues and add in a new chaos conversion sprue. Take it a step further and add in a sprue for each god legion. OR at least a few bits. BAM! Hardly any extra effort required and motor pool cleanly updated for chaos. Furthering the divide between chaos and space marines. Chaos keeps the old-school spikey tracked stuff, Marines can have their grav tanks. 

Edited Monday at 05:22 PM by Ahzek451

[Mazer Rackham]

17 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

I guess that's it for old Codex compliant Space Marines. Perhaps they can find new life as Red Corsairs..

 

The true path is revealed to us all at some point..!

 

Huron did nothing wrong, Imperial Lackeys - he was just ahead of the curve!

 

Yarr! 

[Lathe Biosas]

Do you think we will see the higher toughness/lower speed, and increased strength in the most important Imperial Armies like Custodes and Knights?

[Indy Techwisp]

Thinking about it I'm surprised the ATV isn't on the Legends list but I suppose with new bikes and a new Bike character it makes sense to keep the Primaris "attack bike" around for a while longer.

It'll probably be replaced or legends next edition.

[lansalt]

End of an era. 

I wonder if the Chaos Predator and Vindicator will be replaced by the 30k versions with a new Chaos sprue. It would be a way to get rid of the old sprues... 

 

Removing Pedro Kantor when the 40th anniversary of 40k is so close is a disgrace :-/

 

Why GW is so fixated in making Intercessors and not updated primaris Tacticals the basic SM unit? Almost all other factions get multiple options: Orks, IG, CSM, you name it. Why force basic marines to use only bolguns and grenades?  It doesn't make sense to me.

[Blindhamster]

Intercessors look better than current ones. Similar variety of armour bits to grey hunters it looks like… need more details though, like, what is the head variety like? Do we get any alternative leg or chest pieces? I’m hoping for more knives. lol.

 

the base marine profiles I like, it’s important to note they are apparently coming with price hikes so you just won’t ever be fielding as many. 
 

glad to see it’s a blanket update.

 

interested to see what the long term outlook for divergent chapters will actually be. 

[ZeroWolf]

2 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Thinking about it I'm surprised the ATV isn't on the Legends list but I suppose with new bikes and a new Bike character it makes sense to keep the Primaris "attack bike" around for a while longer.

It'll probably be replaced or legends next edition.

It was part of the original rumours I believe as it fueled hope of a new attack bike to replace it.

[Mogger351]

1 minute ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Let's hope that "Heretic Astartes" isn't literally just CSM and also applies to the Cults because the rest of this announcement (the Legends bit) currently looks like it's kicking them in the teeth.

Tbh this article kicks most armies in the teeth in some capacity with, in my eyes, even only limited upside for loyalist marines.

 

Another feather in the should have been an index edition but they were too scared of backlash.

4 minutes ago, Lathe Biosas said:

Do you think we will see the higher toughness/lower speed, and increased strength in the most important Imperial Armies like Custodes and Knights?

Probably but knights will be waiting 2 years to see it is the problem. Until then enjoy intercessors wounding on 5s.

[Ahzek451]

5 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Another feather in the should have been an index edition but they were too scared of backlash.

I can see how it doesn't exactly inspire anyone who hasn't had their codex yet to jump in to 11th with enthusiasm. 

[Orange Knight]

I think the new Intercessors look good, but over the years I've customised my squads with helmets, weapons, etc, and as a result I don't see any need in buying the new kit.

 

Vanguard look good to me, I don't see issues with them.

I would probably have all of mine grounded on the base, so I would use Sternguard bodies, then add the Vanguard weapons, jump pack, etc

 

[SalamandersBro]

Strength 5 bolters. Toughness 5, woot!

[ArielRSA]

It's probably the least important part of the announcement but I really like the codex cover art