Codex: Space Marines | Multi-Part Intercessor & Vanguard Vet Teaser | Legends Culling

[Lord Marshal]

Rest in spaghetti, Firstborn.

 

 

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Yes, the new Codex: Space Marines is on the way, and the Adeptus Astartes are undergoing some serious improvements. Your basic warriors are becoming Strength 5 – that includes combat knives, chainswords AND bolt pistols. Meanwhile, Intercessor bolt rifles now have two fire modes – one that’s Strength 5 and the other a whopping Strength 6. Warriors in Tacticus plate are also moving to Toughness 5!

 

 

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Heretic Astartes and Codex-divergent Chapters will get similar boosts to bring them in line with these new rules, so everyone can enjoy Toughness 6 Terminators firing Strength 5 storm bolters. These will automatically update in Warhammer 40,000: The App when Codex: Space Marines launches in October.

 

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As with Legends rules, Legendary Proxies can be used at home, in stores, clubs, and campaigns, but if attending a competitive Warhammer event, these units should only be used with the permission of the event organiser.

 

The following units are leaving the codex and becoming Legendary Proxies.

• Tactical Squad – counts as an Intercessor Squad
• Devastator Squad – counts as a Desolation Squad
• Suppressor Squad  – counts as an Inceptor Squad
• Pedro Kantor – counts as a Captain
• Uriel Ventris  – counts as a Captain

 

 

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These units are leaving the codex, but will get Warhammer Legends rules:

• Centurion Assault Squad
• Centurion Devastator Squad
• Razorback
• Predator Destructor
• Predator Annihilator
• Vindicator
• Whirlwind
• Stormhawk Interceptor
• Stormtalon Gunship
• Stormraven Gunship
• Hammerfall Bunker

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 03:58 PM by Lord Marshal

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

I am in favor of the differentiation between Tacticus and Phobos. Bringing the standard Astartes one step closer to being a walking tank (albeit still many steps FROM that goal) is hard to hate.

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

I feel so vindicated right now, to the point I think GW owe me a consulting fee.

 

I posted How I'd Redo Movement and Toughness in 2024 and the marine stuff is pretty much bang on.

[Lord Marshal]

Video also mentioned the codex supplements would be being retired, but whether or not this just means they're being index'ed until new ones drop or it's foreshadowing a return to Codex: Space Wolves etc I guess is up for debate.

 

At least until 12th when they'll probably go back to Supplements again, then back to full Codexes, so on.

[Orange Knight]

The actual rules and stat-lines sound brilliant. Basically what we've always wanted, and it makes perfect sense. Light armour = less toughness and faster movement? Yes please.

 

The units going to legends are as expected. It appears the rumors were all true.

 

GW can consolidate and streamline some of the units here across all the armies. For example - I don't feel that Space Wolves should have access to Intercessors now that they have their unique troop variants. Looking at what GW have done here, they could say that Space Wolf Intercessors count as Grey Hunters, and Bladeguard Veterans count as Head Takers.

Really lean into the thematic aspect of all the chapters, make it more of a give and take arrangement, etc etc. 

Edited Monday at 04:13 PM by Orange Knight

[Marshal Reinhard]

Kind of want to see break down of how Phobos, Tacticus, Gravis and Terminator armor will be now

[Lathe Biosas]

Makes me wonder how tough the new Custodes are going to be.

Edited Monday at 04:18 PM by Lathe Biosas
Originally posted in the wrong thread

[MoriyaSchism]

Awful poses on the multi-part vanguard veterans. 

[Robbienw]

7 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

Awful poses on the multi-part vanguard veterans. 

Sadly to be expected these days.  They’ve really lost it with marine posing in 40k

Edited Monday at 04:28 PM by Robbienw

[MoriyaSchism]

Is that really it for the multi-part Intercessors? Just the same old and a bit of lame fanservice with the back banner. I thought they were taking this variety thing seriously.

[Lysimachus]

1 minute ago, MoriyaSchism said:

Is that really it for the multi-part Intercessors? Just the same old and a bit of lame fanservice with the back banner. I thought they were taking this variety thing seriously.
 

 

 

Agreed, bit disappointing at first glance. A step backwards in terms of variety. I hope there are more bits on the sprue.

 

I like the bling on the Bike Captain, but I'm worried that eagle head of the front wheel is going to block los for the twin bolters - reserving judgement for better angles...

 

 

[sitnam]

I'm baffled that the Orks kept their planes but the Marines have lost theirs. Curious how this pattern plays out across the edition, as its obvious GW doesnt want to purge all aircraft.

[gaurdian31]

1 hour ago, Lord Marshal said:

Heretic Astartes and Codex-divergent Chapters will get similar boosts to bring them in line with these new rules, so everyone can enjoy Toughness 6 Terminators firing Strength 5 storm bolters. These will automatically update in Warhammer 40,000: The App when Codex: Space Marines launches in October.

Glad they aren't going to let CSM languish for months like they did the last time when they gave all Space Marines 2 wounds and forgot to give them to Chaos until their codex released.

[Indy Techwisp]

4 minutes ago, gaurdian31 said:

Glad they aren't going to let CSM languish for months like they did the last time when they gave all Space Marines 2 wounds and forgot to give them to Chaos until their codex released.

 

Let's hope that "Heretic Astartes" isn't literally just CSM and also applies to the Cults because the rest of this announcement (the Legends bit) currently looks like it's kicking them in the teeth.

[Osteoclast]

While I expected Centurions to go to legends, it still sucks. Maybe we’ll get a chonky Primaris down the line. 

[Wispy]

i like those multipart vanguard much more. Shields and some axes spliced in adds a lot.

[Mogger351]

1 minute ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Let's hope that "Heretic Astartes" isn't literally just CSM and also applies to the Cults because the rest of this announcement (the Legends bit) currently looks like it's kicking them in the teeth.

Tbh this article kicks most armies in the teeth in some capacity with, in my eyes, even only limited upside for loyalist marines.

 

Another feather in the should have been an index edition but they were too scared of backlash.

[Wispy]

also seems like they could have been more aggressive with the Counts As. Predators as gladiators, Centurions as Aggressors, etc.

[Crimson Longinus]

It's a bit weird, that due the s6 and d2 of the focused fire profile, marines now actually kill other marines way easier than before. I think most of the buffs seem fineish, but I'm not at all sure that d2 on the basic weapon of the battleline unit of the most common army in the game is such a great idea. 

[Indy Techwisp]

4 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Tbh this article kicks most armies in the teeth in some capacity with, in my eyes, even only limited upside for loyalist marines.

 

Another feather in the should have been an index edition but they were too scared of backlash.

 

TSons in particular are gonna be waiting for their codex for the edition's new Psychic system regardless, same as Grey Knights and I can't see GW pushing us earlier in the edition to make up for that.

 

Also yet again Deathguard coming out on top of the hypothetical worst scenario by Virtue of actually getting unique and thematically appropriate vehicles in the one edition they were a launch faction and thus being least effected if all CSM and Cult factions lose the Predators and Vindicators.

[Lathe Biosas]

Do you think we will see the higher toughness/lower speed, and increased strength in the most important Imperial Armies like Custodes and Knights?

[Blindhamster]

Intercessors look better than current ones. Similar variety of armour bits to grey hunters it looks like… need more details though, like, what is the head variety like? Do we get any alternative leg or chest pieces? I’m hoping for more knives. lol.

 

the base marine profiles I like, it’s important to note they are apparently coming with price hikes so you just won’t ever be fielding as many. 
 

glad to see it’s a blanket update.

 

interested to see what the long term outlook for divergent chapters will actually be. 

[Mogger351]

1 minute ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Let's hope that "Heretic Astartes" isn't literally just CSM and also applies to the Cults because the rest of this announcement (the Legends bit) currently looks like it's kicking them in the teeth.

Tbh this article kicks most armies in the teeth in some capacity with, in my eyes, even only limited upside for loyalist marines.

 

Another feather in the should have been an index edition but they were too scared of backlash.

4 minutes ago, Lathe Biosas said:

Do you think we will see the higher toughness/lower speed, and increased strength in the most important Imperial Armies like Custodes and Knights?

Probably but knights will be waiting 2 years to see it is the problem. Until then enjoy intercessors wounding on 5s.

[Ahzek451]

5 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Another feather in the should have been an index edition but they were too scared of backlash.

I can see how it doesn't exactly inspire anyone who hasn't had their codex yet to jump in to 11th with enthusiasm. 

[Orange Knight]

I think the new Intercessors look good, but over the years I've customised my squads with helmets, weapons, etc, and as a result I don't see any need in buying the new kit.

 

Vanguard look good to me, I don't see issues with them.

I would probably have all of mine grounded on the base, so I would use Sternguard bodies, then add the Vanguard weapons, jump pack, etc