HeadlessCross Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Mogger351 said: 17% less terribly to be precise. This is legit one of the few times that "Learn to Play" is the problem. If you looked at the Kroot profile at any point of the game's history and thought "yeah this'll be fine into Marines" you're the problem. They weren't even good into Marine SCOUTS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388525-custodes-rumours/page/13/#findComment-6189710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogger351 Posted 22 hours ago Author Share Posted 22 hours ago 31 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said: This is legit one of the few times that "Learn to Play" is the problem. If you looked at the Kroot profile at any point of the game's history and thought "yeah this'll be fine into Marines" you're the problem. They weren't even good into Marine SCOUTS. I feel like you're so close to understanding the problem, but it's just not quite clicking for you. When you eventually simply don't see these units any more, will the penny drop? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388525-custodes-rumours/page/13/#findComment-6189718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago kroot may be a bad example anyway, their lore (apparently, I didn't know this) is that after tau showed up and modified the base kroot rifle with pulse tech, they have the stopping power of a boltgun (which is sort of odd, as its still a basic projectile, but whatever, pulse tech!), so perhaps kroot will get Strength 5. Who knows. They're apparently early january, so i guess you'll find out then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388525-custodes-rumours/page/13/#findComment-6189726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogger351 Posted 21 hours ago Author Share Posted 21 hours ago Just now, Blindhamster said: kroot may be a bad example anyway, their lore (apparently, I didn't know this) is that after tau showed up and modified the base kroot rifle with pulse tech, they have the stopping power of a boltgun (which is sort of odd, as its still a basic projectile, but whatever, pulse tech!), so perhaps kroot will get Strength 5. Who knows. They're apparently early january, so i guess you'll find out then. Back in the day they had a bolters ranged profile near enough and the same melee profile as an assault marine with a chainsword (the rifle counted as 2 melee weapons) and their profile was the inverse of an ork (S4 T3 compared to the orks S3 T4 and a marines S4 T4). How times change I guess. Ah well glad two out of 3 of those examples was treated with some respect and given their relevant power fantasy over the editions. I don't imagine we're going to see S5 anywhere near a base kroot though, but appreciate the optimism. Of course custodes didn't exist back then either so this was all a bit moot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388525-custodes-rumours/page/13/#findComment-6189727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandaal Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 2 hours ago, Blindhamster said: 4 hours ago, Evil Eye said: Time makes grognards of us all. Only if you allow it to lol. Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. Blindhamster and Mogger351 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388525-custodes-rumours/page/13/#findComment-6189728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lathe Biosas Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 2 minutes ago, phandaal said: Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. I'm sorry, but I feel compelled to quote Star Trek: Quote “It’s like a predator; it’s stalking you. Oh, you can try and outrun it with doctors, medicines, new technologies. But in the end, time is going to hunt you down… and make the kill.” Good ol' Malcolm McDowell... phandaal 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388525-custodes-rumours/page/13/#findComment-6189730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogger351 Posted 7 hours ago Author Share Posted 7 hours ago (edited) The leaks begin and look spicy Edited 7 hours ago by Mogger351 Lathe Biosas 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388525-custodes-rumours/page/13/#findComment-6189805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogger351 Posted 7 hours ago Author Share Posted 7 hours ago And the rest: https://www.reddit.com/r/AdeptusCustodes/s/69DGSIRSGe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388525-custodes-rumours/page/13/#findComment-6189806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Knight Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago I've looked through them. Absolutely wild. I love that 11th edition profiles are relfecting the lore. This army makes Marines look like Grots. Bring it on. Borbarad 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388525-custodes-rumours/page/13/#findComment-6189829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago (edited) 8 minutes ago, Orange Knight said: I've looked through them. Absolutely wild. I love that 11th edition profiles are relfecting the lore. This army makes Marines look like Grots. Bring it on. It really doesn't. The math basically comes out that into the new MEQ you are doing about one more wound on average, and against anything tougher you're doing one less wound. They're more durable but they are less likely to kill due to losing a lot of the source of rerolls. They will be able to sometimes spike randomly into doing more damage, but they will be less consistent in wiping out T5, the new Boogeyman. It's a solid place to be. The datasheets are good. Edited 5 hours ago by DemonGSides Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388525-custodes-rumours/page/13/#findComment-6189832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Knight Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago (edited) 14 minutes ago, DemonGSides said: It really doesn't. The math basically comes out that into the new MEQ you are doing about one more wound on average, and against anything tougher you're doing one less wound. They're more durable but they are less likely to kill due to losing a lot of the source of rerolls. They will be able to sometimes spike randomly into doing more damage, but they will be less consistent in wiping out T5, the new Boogeyman. It's a solid place to be. The datasheets are good. When everyone in the army can be Str10 or higher, Damage 3/4 or higher, Never missing attacks, Marines will die as easily as Grots. But yes, I'm being hyperbolic. You don't have to take every statement I make literally. We haven't mathed out the damage, we haven't seen the points, we have no practice with these new rules. Edited 5 hours ago by Orange Knight Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388525-custodes-rumours/page/13/#findComment-6189833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lathe Biosas Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Argh. Can't access reddit at work. Can someone share the Grav-tank and the Sword and Shield guys with me? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388525-custodes-rumours/page/13/#findComment-6189848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Knight Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 50 minutes ago, Lathe Biosas said: Argh. Can't access reddit at work. Can someone share the Grav-tank and the Sword and Shield guys with me? Yes. Everything is awesome jaxom and Lathe Biosas 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388525-custodes-rumours/page/13/#findComment-6189862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lathe Biosas Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago Thank you so much! You've made my day! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388525-custodes-rumours/page/13/#findComment-6189867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Hmm, now I am thinking should Custodes be my attempt at a foray back into modern 40k? Karhedron and Lathe Biosas 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388525-custodes-rumours/page/13/#findComment-6189894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted 58 minutes ago Share Posted 58 minutes ago 6 minutes ago, Doghouse said: Hmm, now I am thinking should Custodes be my attempt at a foray back into modern 40k? Yes! Honestly, they are a compact faction which makes buying, painting and transporting them much easier than a larger army. They are nicely detailed models so you can go to town on the paintjob if you wish but also look good in just red and gold with washes applied. Doghouse 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388525-custodes-rumours/page/13/#findComment-6189896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted 50 minutes ago Share Posted 50 minutes ago Can they still take Land Raiders? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388525-custodes-rumours/page/13/#findComment-6189898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lathe Biosas Posted 48 minutes ago Share Posted 48 minutes ago 1 minute ago, Doghouse said: Can they still take Land Raiders? They aren't in the Codex. Might have Legends rules, but I'm not sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/388525-custodes-rumours/page/13/#findComment-6189901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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