Commissar Molotov Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 I did mean for it to be an epithet - I didn't think most people would associate 'Child' with the Astartes. I'll re-word the sentence to make it clearer, though. With regards to Tiberius - stop thinking that the IA article is an in-universe thing. It's not; it occupies a place between omniscience and ignorance. After all, the Dark Angels IA mentions the Fallen, which wouldn't be told to 'some IA chronicler'. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1587954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Tiberius Posted June 4, 2008 Author Share Posted June 4, 2008 Epithet carries an overtone of insult. Thus, I think you might want to choose another word, or the sentence becomes rather contradictory. I see what you mean, and I see Mol's point as well. I agree that epithet, might not be the right word, but i am not sure what to put in it's place. Nick-name seems a bit out of character. hmm. I'll discuss with the august commisar and seek clarification... Personally, I'm not sure you need to expand this bit. If you already have the ideas, go for it, but otherwise it seems pretty solid. This is an IA, not a novel. You are probably correct as far as the IA goes, though I still think it might need a bit more tweaking. However there is a large amount of fluff that I am developing to flesh out the Sharks. It won't necessarily be included in the IA article, but will be fleshed out for other uses. What was the original population like? How have they taken this? I have made it a point to not list the name of the planet before the Space Sharks took possession, nor to describe the population that was there before. That information is part of the history of the Mantis Warriors and as far as I know hasn't been developed yet. I also feel that it is not relevant to the Sharks or their IA. However suffice it to say that the population has learned to accept the situation and moved on with their lives. It's been almost 100 years since the event and they have not risen in revolt. They are treated fairly, but for the most part are ignored. Probably have a better life than the average hive worlder at anyrate. -T. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1588626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 I see what you mean, and I see Mol's point as well. I agree that epithet, might not be the right word, but i am not sure what to put in it's place. Nick-name seems a bit out of character. hmm. I'll discuss with the august commisar and seek clarification... I'd say the word "term" myself. If you use any kind of synonym for insult, the sentence reads as (more or less): This insult may not have seemed appropriate, but was really a compliment. And since it wasn't meant as an insult, I'm leery of using the term. I have made it a point to not list the name of the planet before the Space Sharks took possession, nor to describe the population that was there before. That information is part of the history of the Mantis Warriors and as far as I know hasn't been developed yet. I also feel that it is not relevant to the Sharks or their IA. However suffice it to say that the population has learned to accept the situation and moved on with their lives. It's been almost 100 years since the event and they have not risen in revolt. They are treated fairly, but for the most part are ignored. Probably have a better life than the average hive worlder at anyrate. IIRC, there are some Black Library books where the Mantis Warriors are featured closely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1588880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 There's a difference between detailing the Mantis Warriors and detailing the native population of their former homeworld. I'm not sure I would expect books like Warrior Cover to go into detail about that sort of thing. As far as a better word, I don't like "term". It's too bland and doesn't really fit well with names, you don't hear football players talking about their "team term". I think "monicker" would perhaps work better and be less insulting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1588942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Tiberius Posted June 5, 2008 Author Share Posted June 5, 2008 I read the novel with the Mantis Warriors in it and I don't remember it giving any information on their homeworld. Regardless, it's not really a concern. Now on to other stuff... Here are some notes that I wanted to share, and I did not think they belonged in the main IA. So here we go... Chapter Organization - The Space Sharks chapter was originally set-up following the dictates of the Codex Astartes. However due to the losses sustained during their exodus from Tethys the chapters is at present under-strength. The following shows the current make-up of the chapter: 1st Co. - 10 squads of veteran marines 2nd-6th Co.s - Standard codex arrangement (6-Tactical/2-Assualt/2-Devastor) 7th Co. Reserves - (4-Tactical/2-Assualt) 8th. Co. Reserves - (4- Tactical/2-Devestator) 10th Co. Scout/Training As you can see the 1st and 10th Companies are fairly standard, but the Chapter has one more battle company than most chapters. The reserve companies are understrength, and the 9th Co. is non-existant at this time. The reserves are also split differently from standard codex chapters to allow them to act as adhoc battle companies if necessary. Battle Companies While the Codex Astartes states that a chapter shall be composed of 1000 battle brothers (10 companies of 10 squads of 10 marines) in practice the numbers are slightly higher. Below is the structure of a standard battle company of the chapter. Captain Co. Chaplain Co. Librarian Co. Techmarine Dreadnoughts (varies by Company but average of 1-2) Command Squad (10 Marines) Tactical Squads (6 squads of 10 marines + transport) Assualt Squads (2 squads of 10 marines) Devestator Squads (2 Squads of 10 marines + transport) 10th Co. detachment (2 squads of 10 marines) 1st Co. detachment (2 squads of 10 marines) Support Vehicles You will note that both the 1st & 10th companies have detachments aligned with the battle company. These squads are for all intents considered part of the battle company for most operational missions and report directly the the Captain of said battle company. However the alignment of squads will change depending on the number of battle companies operating in a theatre and which captain has been given operational command. In the event that the entire chapter goes to war these squads would realign under their respective Company captains (1st & 10th). Also within the Chapter members of the Reclusiam & Librarium are assigned to specific Companies. They act as support personnel for the Captain and will lead elements of the Company when missions dictate. Support vehicles are another area that falls out of the standard Company structure as they are all part of the Chapter Motorpool and are outside the standard Company structure. Within the Space Sharks chapter Landspeeders are also considered support vehicles rather than assault squads. Not really anything ground breaking just clarifying some of my thoughts. -T. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1590599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemFX Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 This has been a fun one to read. My only request: More pictures of the models, and can you fix the broken images early on? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1602743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Thanks for the comment. We're still working slowly on the Sharks' IA. As for Tiberius's artwork, I've collected all of his Shark-related artwork, and you can see it here: http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/Sharks/Linnaeusaltered.jpg http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/Sharks/SPSHK-Pencil.jpg http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/Sharks/Coru-lorez.jpg http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/Sharks/spaceshark-attack.jpg http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/Sharks/spaceshark-stealth.jpg http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/Sharks/golka-lr.jpg http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/Sharks/Space_Shark.jpg http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/Sharks/ss-vetmarine.jpg http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/Sharks/Sharks_Commander_Rev-sm-lo.jpg http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/Sharks/Shark_Commander.jpg http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/Sharks/Dagoth-work-lorez.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1602754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemFX Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Cool. I'm tempted to draw you my interpretation of one of them :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1602880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Cool. I'm tempted to draw you my interpretation of one of them :P Based on your Lamenters, should I have a sinking feeling in my chest? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1602889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Tiberius Posted June 18, 2008 Author Share Posted June 18, 2008 Glad I can inspire someone with my doodles. :) -T. P.S. : Look for new minis in the near(-ish) future ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1602926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemFX Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Nah, the Lamenters are my half-joking project. My Ultramarines are my serious ones. I'll try and have it for Monday, because I have no idea what's going on tomorrow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1604942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usopreme Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 I would just like to say I really like your work, are you polynesian? to be honest I've never met another poly while playing 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1605960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mad Hermit Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 This is EXACTLY what I've been searching for! Would anyone mind if I climbed aboard this chapter? If not, what company(or companies) are free for me to take up? The 8th? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1605994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Tiberius Posted June 21, 2008 Author Share Posted June 21, 2008 I would just like to say I really like your work, are you polynesian? to be honest I've never met another poly while playing 40k. No, I am not Polynesian. I am glad you like the work Me & Mol have done on this project. I have a huge amount of respect for Polynesian culture which is why I have never said that the Sharks are based on any one specific culture (i.e. Maori). I don't want to offend those cultures or make them feel I am somehow making fun of them. The sharks culture is a combination of bits and pieces from several of the cultures as well as original concepts that give the right feel. Does that make sense? This is EXACTLY what I've been searching for! Would anyone mind if I climbed aboard this chapter? If not, what company(or companies) are free for me to take up? The 8th? :P I am glad you like what we have done. The only Companies that are for sure taken are the 1st (everyone has access to their troops), 3rd (my company), & 5th (Stahl's Co.) 7th & 8th are reserve companies. 7th being tacticals/assualt & 8th consisting of Tacticals/Devastators. (this was done so that someone could realistically field an army from those companies). If you need a battle company you could take 6th or 4th. Someone was collecting 4th before, but I have not heard from them in sometime. The 6th company captain is one of Molotov's characters, but the company is not being utilized. Thanks for the replies guys! -T. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1606193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Although you can easily look at it from another point of view - how many people play the Ultramarines Second Company? The Space Sharks are just an official Chapter we've attempted to detail. Don't let our ideas stop you from making a Sharks army of your own. It would be silly to suggest only five or six people in the whole world play Space Sharks. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1606197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mad Hermit Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Good point about the UM's Second Company thing, but... I was thinking if I were to do this up, I'd like to contribute to the greater picture that's being built, even if only a little, with names and such. So, if I were to claim, say, the 6th... can I rename the characters os something without anyone getting mad? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1606210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Well, Lanakila (Linnaeus) was a character I created for the Sharks. Tiberius made him Captain of the Sixth. You can see him here. You can also read about him as a younger Marine here. But nobody else in the Sixth has been named, so you could go crazy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1606242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mad Hermit Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Very cool bit of fluff. I was contemplating naming two characters after some friends of mine, Pao and Tua (last names, those). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1606362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Well, one of my favourite bits of the Space Shark fluff is the way that they have 'True' names and Adopted ones. The idea that they trust their Battle-Brothers with their single greatest secret is a great way of enforcing their bond. Something Tiberius was saying, about how Tethys is a blend of various Polynesian and Pacific Island cultures - from the point of the view of a writer, it allows us to take the bits that suit us and ditch the bits that don't. We're not trying to create a perfect replica of these cultures, but to create something original and distinctive that is evocative of them. And then to make genetically-enhanced Super-Soldiers from them... :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1606395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davethebear Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 you mentioned part of your scouts initiation being goin on a voyage to slay a shark, perhaps it could be like some pacific tribes used do, going out to sea on a catamaran canoe thing and spear it (although they used ropes), and maybe they cut their arm or something to attract it as part of the rituallity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1612574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luy22 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 I've always liked the Space Sharks and wouldn't mind painting up a small strike force of em. May I? ^_^ And those sketches are SUPERB!! And weren't they given the Mantis Warrior's homeworld after they defeated them during the Badab war? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1612950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 And weren't they given the Mantis Warrior's homeworld after they defeated them during the Badab war? Yes, that's going to be part of the IA article. (The giant hard-to-miss orange bit, at the moment). Tethys was destroyed and when they took the Mantis Warriors' homeworld they re-named it Tethys Secundus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1613005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 you mentioned part of your scouts initiation being goin on a voyage to slay a shark, perhaps it could be like some pacific tribes used do, going out to sea on a catamaran canoe thing and spear it (although they used ropes), and maybe they cut their arm or something to attract it as part of the rituallity. That's a good way to attract a LOT of sharks, which may not work out well for one recruit. <_< There was a show on National Geographic (I think it was) some time ago about a man who went to stay with a tribe who hunts sharks. They row out and use halved coconut shells on large rings to attract the sharks by thrashing them under the water's surface. It supposedly mimics the sound of a struggling fish, which a shark is keen to pick up on. Once the sharks come around, they had a rope "noose" tied to a long plank which they used to quickly snare the fish around the neck. The plank would force the shark to stay near the surface and its struggles would eventually wear the fish out to the point where they could capture the shark and bring it back to the tribe. Don't know if that's the sort of thing Tiberius had in mind, but it's a real example of how some people hunt sharks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1613264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemFX Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 ++Marine Artwork++ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1613958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Tiberius Posted June 30, 2008 Author Share Posted June 30, 2008 I saw that show too, very interesting. :) As for the Space Sharks, the scouts do not hunt the sharks, only those who reach Veteran status. It is an initiation rite for those marines inducted into the first company. That is why only the Veterans where shark teeth (think of them as Terminator Honours). The rite itself involves the marine swimming out to sea and hunting a shark using only his combat knife. They do not were there armor for this rite. When they return with their prize the Head Chaplain (who oversees the rite) takes the blood of the shark and marks a stripe of it down the face of the marine. This signifies that he is now one with the Monatoa and that the spirit of the shark he has slain is now apart of him. Hope that helps! -T. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/84715-ia-space-sharks/page/5/#findComment-1614284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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