The Lost and Forgotten: Building the II Legion

[Kronus Stormbringer]

Ive always been curious about the lost legions (as many are) and really enjoy the depth that people are inventing about their various incarnations, I really like the detail in this post.

[Aridene]

Keep it coming.

[Conn Eremon]

Glad you liked my idea. It does look good. I agree that giving one to every Marine would be too much. Just sprinkle it around some, as liberally as you wish. Enough to add flavor.

[undecideded]

Thanks everyone for your votes, It has been immensely helpful in deciding which Major Arcana to follow. At this time I'm starting to lean more in favor of the High Priestess. While fortune seems fantastic, I feel that having Icarion (as the High Priestess) born on a world like Madrigal can give me a wider range of options in character development. 

 

Additionally, due to his role in the formation of the Legion Librarius I think makes sense for Icarion to be the 3 Primarch found. This also give me a few more active years to play with considering that according to the The First Heretic, both Primarchs were lost prior to the 150th (approx.) year of the great crusade. 

 

Finally, I've commissioned Saint-Max to begin work on artwork of the II Legion Primarch based on the work in this log,

so thank you Undecided for introducing me to his work!

 

Haha I am literally beaming right now I am happy I could inadvertently help with this awesome project!  I am also looking forward to continue following it.    I did think about what you said regarding the lower Volta, I know this is already kinda stealing but what about something like the grey knights with the transportation packs?   Something that kind of "slips in at the imminent climax of a battle where the balance must shift,"   or "instantly appear in the midst of imminent failure and turning back the tide with their blades."   

[Jareddm]

Perhaps the legion made heavy use of teleportation, as befitting a primarch who felt at one with the ebb and flow of the warp?  Perhaps Icarion teaches that when traveling through the warp, the passenger's emotional state will affect the state of the warp around them.  So through training and meditation, the II legion does not fear teleportation, being at peace with the warp and so suffering significantly fewer teleporter mishaps than any other legion.  Being a naval engagement and boarding specialist, perhaps this focus on teleporters allowed them to avoid the casualties seen with the heavy use of boarding torpedoes?

[Nomus Sardauk]

 

 

Thanks everyone for your votes, It has been immensely helpful in deciding which Major Arcana to follow. At this time I'm starting to lean more in favor of the High Priestess. While fortune seems fantastic, I feel that having Icarion (as the High Priestess) born on a world like Madrigal can give me a wider range of options in character development.

 

Additionally, due to his role in the formation of the Legion Librarius I think makes sense for Icarion to be the 3 Primarch found. This also give me a few more active years to play with considering that according to the The First Heretic, both Primarchs were lost prior to the 150th (approx.) year of the great crusade.

 

Finally, I've commissioned Saint-Max to begin work on artwork of the II Legion Primarch based on the work in this log,

so thank you Undecided for introducing me to his work!

Haha I am literally beaming right now I am happy I could inadvertently help with this awesome project! I am also looking forward to continue following it. I did think about what you said regarding the lower Volta, I know this is already kinda stealing but what about something like the grey knights with the transportation packs? Something that kind of "slips in at the imminent climax of a battle where the balance must shift," or "instantly appear in the midst of imminent failure and turning back the tide with their blades."

Hey, given the creative license the mystery of the Lost Legions affords you he could easily say the Teleporter Packs used by the Grey Knights were developed/recovered on Madrigal.

However only the Thunder Legion could use them safely due to the training Jareddm talks about and after the Legion disappears and is wiped from history the Teleporter Packs are taken and kept in storage until they are issued to a new force, Chapter 666, whose natural resistance to the warp enables them to use the Packs safely.

[Monstra Sumus]

I am thoroughly enjoying this thread and am constantly referencing it in my own little side project on the XIth Legion. I've been building a little folder full of bits and pieces and watching this thread blossom and develop is helping me shape my force. Maybe one day when I've got it all up and running we could collaborate. 

 

Excellent work brother, I look very forward to seeing more. 

[Athrawes]

While it is an interesting Idea to incorporate the Grey Knight warp-shunt ability, I have a few reservations about co-opting more of their background.

For one, I have been planning out the Legions fall and have already earmarked one tiny bit from their established lore.

 

This legion will die. Hard. But a small part of their legacy lives on through a device briefly mentioned in the Grey Knight Codex, cookies if you can guess what it is and extra cookies (Plus your name in the Legions History) if you can guess the role it plays.

[Pyromancer]

Probably way off, but my guess would be the 'crazy box thing that must be opened to save the universe.' And the role in history, perhaps the legion discovers it and it curses them or something on that vein? I'd imagine that this is way off, but it does seem pretty cool. Hmm...

[Conn Eremon]

I was going to guess the same box, but rather than say it led to their fall, I was going to say it is the only thing of theirs that survives their fall.

[BassWave]

It's the aegis. Protection from the dangers of the warp.

[Athrawes]

I've finally Finished the outline for the Legions fall.  It was incredibly hard, now I just need to tidy it up and turn it into something presentable. It may be some time before I share the event's of the fall with you but I have plenty of lore to fill in until then. I'm just happy to know what direction the lore will take.

 

In other news, I received the first concept art for Icarion commission. I am incredibly pleased so far and would love to get your feedback on how you think the II Primarch is developing.

 

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i327/nickfayette1/sketchs1.jpg

 

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i327/nickfayette1/IIprimarchbust-1.jpg

[Ch@oZ]

I like the artwork. I'm not convinced as for the broad samurai pants, but i guess it's to early to really tell. The samurai masks on the pauldrons look like a great idea. I kinda wish the diamond on the primarch's forehead was exposed bone, i think that'd be cool.

[Dragonkin Arenis]

You can certainly see the Japanese theme now, and I love how the "Naginata" is turning out.

 

Personally, I would pick the 5th sketch, mostly because I like the 'half robe' look to his lower legs and the extra swords.

They all show varying levels of brutality and sageliness that the II Primarch should have, given the fluff you're working with (#1 and #3 are primarily sages, #4 is primarily a warrior, and #2 and #5 are opposite ends of being the right mix), so it depends what exactly you want him to be.

 

Ultimately, it's developing exceptionally well, and you should be proud of such a commission (which I'm sure you are ;P).

 

Keep up the good work!

[GrandMagnus]

Nr 5 looks the best, I would go for nr 5

[the Belgian one]

Number 5 without any hesitation ! 

[Doghouse]

Big fan of this thread, this is EXACTLY why the two Legions were removed and I love that not only do you have the imagination and conviction to attempt something like this but the models are really nice too.

[Athrawes]

I have to say that currently, my two favorite armor rendering for Icarion are 4 and 5. I like everything about 5 except for the greaves to which I prefer the slender and graceful greaves of #4. Additionally while this armor study wasn't intended to pick a pose, I am particularly fond of the pose of #4.

All of your comments and suggestions really help! I hope that by this point in the log, you guys can see that I am very open to suggestions (and have already followed through on some of the truly great ones thus far). So please keep it up, I appreciate it and I think it makes this more of a community project.

@Doghouse: I'm please you are enjoying the thread. Your attempt at creating a unification era II legion is part of what inspired me to begin this project. In fact, if you look at the beginning of the thread, you'll notice that the legion's name prior to the discovery of the Primarch was the Liberators, in honor of your original project. I felt like I wanted to make a natural continuation of the project you started and I hope the history, and Primarch of the II Legion live up to your II Legion's legacy .

[Doghouse]

Ah I missed that, seriously honoured by that. Very nice of you to associate me with your absolutely amazing project. :)

 

I think though to be honest you've picked up the ball and ran like hell with this idea. 

[Natanael]

Nr 1 or 4, Í Think. They look supernice, all of them, tough.

[Athrawes]

It was suggested on another forum that maybe my army should include Tengu-masks to further embrace the Japanese theme I’ve given to the II Legion.

 

I don't know if Tengu-mask is the right call. I do know a couple of things, if I used them, they would be used in place of the helmet crest for squad sergeants. Additionally, if I did use them in the army, since I want this army to be near 100% GW/FW (so at least model-wise legal in GW stores and tournaments) I would have to sculpt the tengu-masks myself.

 

I decided it would be a fun exercise just to see if I could do it (not that I am 100% going to use them.

 

So here is the "test mask" Models after the one found in this image: http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120420155933/warhammer40k/images/0/0a/Thunder_Warrior_Captain.jpg

 

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i327/nickfayette1/8480CBB5-2237-4B87-B24C-D520265949F5.jpg

 

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i327/nickfayette1/A281DA5B-D98E-46C7-B33E-3C03480AF4BC-1.jpg

 

 And here it is blu-tacked to the body of my sergeant (just to see how it fits in with the army.)

 

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i327/nickfayette1/8319876A-5636-4694-9454-27217A09EC2B1-1.jpg

 

Now I'm still not sure my sculpting skills are up to the task, or if they would drag down the quality of the army as a whole. I really would like your thoughts on the Tengu-masks for sergeants, or in general.

[Pyromancer]

It might look cool and be easier to use sanguinary guard death mask, with the top rim and hair sculpted as yours have?

[Heru]

Honestly I prefer the crests. The Tengu masks seem like something you'd more likely see on an infiltration unit than line Sergeants. You also have to be careful not to push the theme too far.

[The Nephilim]

I prefer sketch #2 the most with #5's weapon. It conveys the background, yet still has the setting flavor in the armor. None of the Primarchs FW has released yet look as over the top as some of the other sketches.

[Hyaenidae]

Honestly I prefer the crests. The Tengu masks seem like something you'd more likely see on an infiltration unit than line Sergeants. You also have to be careful not to push the theme too far.

 

Agreed. Flavor is best when it is light on the tongue, not overwhelming.

 

You already have those japanese influenced hints, and it looks great. Adding some more of the napolenic touch, again lightly, would work wonders.