Ferrus Manus Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Sounds cool, dibs Heavy Weapon Specialist.If anyone just wants to throw down a name for a member of the Death Watch, feel free to do so. Einar, now Assault Marine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2356241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 On the note of the Deathwatch, I doubt we'd need a force of them... considering we have the involvement of 4 Chapters, I'd be willing to bet there would be enough ex-DW brethren within the forces available if needed. Could make for an interesting tale... That's a cool idea. Maybe a 5+ man squad is formed from old DW brethren of the four Chapter, assigned to Inquisitor Maelbor to get to the bottom of the Eldar involvement in the rebellion. Maybe some of these brethren have worked with Maelbor before. Sounds like an excellent idea! Inquisitors usually don't stray far from their areas of operations and expertise, some being in charge of several systems...or in some cases, whole sub-sectors. Whole sectors are usually far too vast for a single inquisitor to manage (hence why you have Inquisitor Lords, who have multiple inquisitors and nearly limitless resources to manage the affairs in these vast areas of space), so I could see Inquisitor Maelbor being responsible for the goings-on in this system (as well as a few others. The only reason he didn't arrive with the first batch/wave of Inquisitorial agents is likely due to pressing matters elsewhere), but if the Astartes marines have worked in this sub-sector before, they will likely have, at the very least, been given Inquisitor Maelbor's contact information should they come across something unforeseen. The Eldar involvement here would probably trouble Maelbor greatly, as they are not mindless, battle-fueled monstrosities or aliens bent on extinguishing all life...no, Eldar usually have an ulterior motive (if not more than one). As for the squad of Former Deathwatch Marines being called upon to form a squad and investigate the Eldar presence in full, I could definitely see that happening. Even with the 250 Stormtroopers at his side, there are things only Deathwatch can accomplish. Nice. If the Infinity Knights get to contribute, I'll go with Raul Dussan of the 7th company. He's the only member of the Infinity Knights ever to have served in both the Deathwatch and the Wandering Companies, for storyline purposes. ;) During his Deathwatch time he might have worked with Maelbor before, or at least the inquisitor would be known to him, so he could assure the IK (and maybe in turn the other chapters) that Maelbor isn't one of these crazy evil inquisitors we keep hearing about. ^_^ Am I putting too much thought into this now? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2356289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codex Grey Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 I knew this would spur some creativity. Do I smell additional special rules for a Perditia Kill Team? I don't have a name right now, so give me some time come up with something. All I know is I want to see him with an old combi-plasma. I think he could know Maelbor from before as well, but maybe he could have a not as great relationship with him? Just to create some minor conflict within the team? Am I putting too much thought into this now? I don't think so. The concept has obviously sparked some interest probably some ideas. So it's better to write down everything you come up with now that the creativity is on top. Then we get rid of the bad stuff later ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2356299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 So we have: - Death Head Heavy Weapon Specialist. - Einar, Assault Specialist. - Raul Dussan, "Rifleman" - Knows of Maelbor, thinks he's ok. - Warriors Eternal, "Grenadier" - Combi-Plasma, Minor conflict with Maelbor. I think we need a unit leader and we're good. It would be a nice addition to the background that we already have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2356317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkKnightCuron Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 First things first: Just to add to that, I think we should recruit DKC as a 5th collaborator - he/she seems to have a good feel for the INQ forces. So where we are all busy sorting out fluff for our respective Chapters, he/she can work on the INQ. Just a suggestion. DKC, you're in. Awesome, thank you very much :lol: On the note of the Deathwatch, I doubt we'd need a force of them... considering we have the involvement of 4 Chapters, I'd be willing to bet there would be enough ex-DW brethren within the forces available if needed. Could make for an interesting tale... That's a cool idea. Maybe a 5+ man squad is formed from old DW brethren of the four Chapter, assigned to Inquisitor Maelbor to get to the bottom of the Eldar involvement in the rebellion. Maybe some of these brethren have worked with Maelbor before. Sounds cool, dibs Heavy Weapon Specialist. If anyone just wants to throw down a name for a member of the Death Watch, feel free to do so. Eh, I'll give it a go. Crocea - While particularly capable in any tactical situation like all Astartes, Crocea has never truly allowed himself to be without his chainsword. During his time as an Assault Sergeant, he was known as particularly ruthless and adept at swordplay, favoring the rush and brutality of close combat. During his time with the Deathwatch, he learned the hard way that there were some creatures whos prowess in melee were second to few, and through skill, fortitude, and--sometimes--luck, Crocea has learned a steady hand and precise eye for such engagements, becoming adept at spotting weaknesses and faults in his enemy's attack--picking his targets, rather than lashing about in an attempt to tire his opponent or beat them into submission. EDIT TIME IS NOW. During his Deathwatch time he might have worked with Maelbor before, or at least the inquisitor would be known to him, so he could assure the IK (and maybe in turn the other chapters) that Maelbor isn't one of these crazy evil inquisitors we keep hearing about. :( Maelbor has had to make some tough calls before--and likely, Maelbor could be one of those younger Inquisitors--but he's not heretical or extremist. Its very likely they've met before, especially since Maelbor probably has had a bit of facetime with the Deathwatch. I knew this would spur some creativity. Do I smell additional special rules for a Perditia Kill Team? YES. That would be awesome. I think he could know Maelbor from before as well, but maybe he could have a not as great relationship with him? Just to create some minor conflict within the team? Like I said, Maelbor has had to make some tough calls in the past: Some people have had to be put to death, some imprisoned forever, some drafted eternally into the Ordo Xenos. He's likely had to order an entire planet bombed in order to prevent a very large Ork WAAAGH from spreading to other systems, and that alone probably wouldn't set well with any Astartes Chapter. That and Marines don't really get along with the Inquisition anyway. So we have: - Death Head Heavy Weapon Specialist. - Einar, Assault Specialist. - Raul Dussan, "Rifleman" - Knows of Maelbor, thinks he's ok. - Warriors Eternal, "Grenadier" - Combi-Plasma, Minor conflict with Maelbor. I think we need a unit leader and we're good. It would be a nice addition to the background that we already have. Crocea might fit the bill; While originally hot-headed and fury-prone, his time during the Deathwatch really levelled him out. If anyone wants him in their Chapter, right on, he'd make an excellent Tactical Sergeant. If not, we could say he's still in the Deathwatch and accompanying Maelbor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2356346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codex Grey Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Like I said, Maelbor has had to make some tough calls in the past: Some people have had to be put to death, some imprisoned forever, some drafted eternally into the Ordo Xenos. He's likely had to order an entire planet bombed in order to prevent a very large Ork WAAAGH from spreading to other systems, and that alone probably wouldn't set well with any Astartes Chapter. That and Marines don't really get along with the Inquisition anyway. The Warriors Eternal are not win at all costs (like for example the Marines Malevolent), though some individuals might be. But they are very, very cold. Some times 'doing what's right' means adding a lot of collateral damage, and that is something the Warriors Eternal understands. The WE are generally very demanding of their allies, so I could actually see my guy having a minor problem with Maelbor's leadership, because Maelbor might hesitate, regret his actions, or waste time trying to find a 'better way' when the 'best way' is right in front of him. This is of course how my guy views it, and I could see Ace's guy Raul to be more on the same level as maelbor, since the infinity knights seem to be more thoughtful when it comes to killing humans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2356387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkKnightCuron Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Like I said, Maelbor has had to make some tough calls in the past: Some people have had to be put to death, some imprisoned forever, some drafted eternally into the Ordo Xenos. He's likely had to order an entire planet bombed in order to prevent a very large Ork WAAAGH from spreading to other systems, and that alone probably wouldn't set well with any Astartes Chapter. That and Marines don't really get along with the Inquisition anyway. The Warriors Eternal are not win at all costs (like for example the Marines Malevolent), though some individuals might be. But they are very, very cold. Some times 'doing what's right' means adding a lot of collateral damage, and that is something the Warriors Eternal understands. The WE are generally very demanding of their allies, so I could actually see my guy having a minor problem with Maelbor's leadership, because Maelbor might hesitate, regret his actions, or waste time trying to find a 'better way' when the 'best way' is right in front of him. This is of course how my guy views it, and I could see Ace's guy Raul to be more on the same level as maelbor, since the infinity knights seem to be more thoughtful when it comes to killing humans. That's probably where the WE might have a problem with Maelbor--He's young(-er. He's still around mid-forties, if its alright if I take the character concept by the reins), and while experienced, he tries his best to find 'the best way'. He absolutely abhors taking human lives if he can do anything to avoid it, mostly because he has been vested with the authority of the Inquisition to protect the Imperium, and throwing away lives doesn't seem the best way to do that. He's definitely made some decisions that he regrets even today, I'm sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2356395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 That's probably where the WE might have a problem with Maelbor--He's young(-er. He's still around mid-forties, if its alright if I take the character concept by the reins), and while experienced, he tries his best to find 'the best way'. He absolutely abhors taking human lives if he can do anything to avoid it, mostly because he has been vested with the authority of the Inquisition to protect the Imperium, and throwing away lives doesn't seem the best way to do that. He's definitely made some decisions that he regrets even today, I'm sure. Sounds good, however, I think he would be a more interesting character if he's the sort of person who acts all cocky, heck he's an INQ, but really when it comes down to the action he's not so sure of himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2356425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkKnightCuron Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 That's probably where the WE might have a problem with Maelbor--He's young(-er. He's still around mid-forties, if its alright if I take the character concept by the reins), and while experienced, he tries his best to find 'the best way'. He absolutely abhors taking human lives if he can do anything to avoid it, mostly because he has been vested with the authority of the Inquisition to protect the Imperium, and throwing away lives doesn't seem the best way to do that. He's definitely made some decisions that he regrets even today, I'm sure. Sounds good, however, I think he would be a more interesting character if he's the sort of person who acts all cocky, heck he's an INQ, but really when it comes down to the action he's not so sure of himself. Hmm, that wouldn't be too bad, I think. My original thought was for this particular Inquisitor to be fairly young (not entirely sure of himself, slightly naive) but this works too. Overall, I guess I'm just a little tired of Inquisitors feeling like a copy/paste of Coteaz. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2356589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Hmm, that wouldn't be too bad, I think. My original thought was for this particular Inquisitor to be fairly young (not entirely sure of himself, slightly naive) but this works too. Overall, I guess I'm just a little tired of Inquisitors feeling like a copy/paste of Coteaz. I think the younger he is, the better he'll fit the cocky type. After all, I do find the younger someone is the cocky-er they are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2356599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Kong Posted April 11, 2010 Author Share Posted April 11, 2010 The way we're describing Maelbor is making me think of a typical forum liberal (no offense to those with the political mindset). Put simply, someone who has nothing short of the best intentions, but is terribly narrow minded in their views. Maelbor believes that the Eldar are the only enemy in the area, he ignores the greater heresy of betraying the Imperium and focuses on consorting with xenos (ie: He refuses to send men to aid breaking a Perditian line, but will send men to attack traitor leaders speaking with Eldar or crack lines aided by Eldar). - Death Head Heavy Weapon Specialist.- Einar, Assault Specialist. - Raul Dussan, "Rifleman" - Knows of Maelbor, thinks he's ok. - Warriors Eternal, "Grenadier" - Combi-Plasma, Minor conflict with Maelbor. Both Maelbor and the Infinity Knights are something of idealists. The Death Heads marine is Juno Isaik, he is a veteran of the First Company and member of Sternguard Squad Lusca. The Death Heads have nothing but contempt for traitors, so where the Warriors Eternal are cold, the Death Heads are ruthless and bloodthirsty. Anytime the Warrior Eternal makes a point to destroy a target, Isaik wants to demolish it, where the Warriors Eternal want to clear an area, Isaik wants to slaughter everyone in it. Isaik, overall, is just a brutal character in the context of this campaign. His humor is as black as his armor and he is equipped for overkill. Large, even by the standards of the Astartes, making him an intimidating figure (especially to the newly promoted Maelbor). He wears a necklace of broken Eldar soulstones, mocking the witches that oppose the Imperium. Isaik has served on two tours with the Death Watch, neither of which were under Maelbor. On both occurrences, he was responsible for unprecedented amounts of collateral damage, including the destruction of buildings, monuments, roads, homes, commercial aircraft, automobiles, etc. However, he has not been responsible for the death of a single, loyal Imperial citizen. For Isaik, every man, woman and child on Perditia who has not stood up against the traitorous revolt is subhuman and worth only of the Emperor's wrath. He is extremely volatile and has a stubborn determination to accomplish his mission. Isaik is roughly 300 years old and has a youthful appearance. His blond hair is well cropped, and he bears several scars on his handsome features. He wears Mk4 power armor and, as previously mentioned, is tall and broad. Isaik will absolutely hate the Inquisitor's desire to avoid human casualties, and will likely dislike Raul simply for his ideals to protect "humanity" as an Infinity Knight, since the Perditians are inhuman to him. He will like the Warrior Eternal's lack of compassion for the enemy, but will detest his lack of emotion for killing traitors. I honestly don't know the mentality of the Arctic Lions, so I cannot say. Isaik's respect is won, not by ideals, but by battlefield achievement. Despite the likes and dislikes he has for other members of the squad, Isaik is absolutely loyal and dedicated to his brothers and humanity. He will provide fight to the best of his ability to keep fellow Imperials alive. He will also expect the same dedication from his squad mates (probably expecting them to carry addition drums for the Heavy bolter). His helmet is customized for his role, fitted with an auspex for better radar and modified lenses. He is equipped with a standard Heavy Bolter and Bolt Pistol, but in addition carries a combat shotgun equipped with manstopper rounds and a Klysian forged cutlass. Method for carrying: Heavy Bolter backpack, Heavy bolter in hand; Cutlass sheath strapped to right calf, bolt pistol holster on left hip, shotgun holster strapped to left calf. He carries a few belts fitted with frag and krak grenades. Addition heavy bolter drums are strapped to the sides of his backpack (anyone who wants to tell me my half asleep brain child is too loaded should be motivated to slap me across the face). I don't know what to do for Crocea right now. However, when I first imagined the squad, I actually imagined a Warrior Eternal being in command, to offset the overbearing Death Heads. I did imagine two Death Heads in the squad, though, simply because there were the most Death Heads present. I don't want to add more Chapters though, no offense DKC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2356815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Kong Posted April 11, 2010 Author Share Posted April 11, 2010 I think Grey has the best idea concerning everything about this kill team to be: The concept has obviously sparked some interest probably some ideas. So it's better to write down everything you come up with now that the creativity is on top. Then we get rid of the bad stuff later So, with that said, and my idiocy dismissed, I think (because it's so late/ early depending on your point of view) I can get some of my more random brain children out. As I said before, I thought the squad load out was going to be (before anyone mentioned anything besides "kill team": Warrior Eternal Sergeant Death Head w/ bolter Arctic Lion w/ bolter Infinity Knight w/ bolter Death Head w/ heavy bolter Obviously now, we know that the Sergeant slot is absent, the Arctic Lion is an assault marine, the Infinity Knight is a bolter brother and the Death Head is a heavy bolter totting monster. Now, there's the idea we have of Inquisitor Maelbor being younger, more brash and headstrong. He is dedicated almost exclusively to the eradication of xenos, and doesn't see the Imperial Citizens as much of a threat or even valid targets. To him they are still Imperial citizens. The Chapters all have stereotypes that we have put on them: AL: quiet and perceptive WE: cold and calculated DH: volatile and violent IK: sympathetic and naieve Aside from just liking the heavy bolter in general, one of the greater reasons that I wanted it in the hands of a Death Head was to show the whole idea that despite being headstrong and stubborn, despite a bad attitude, an extremely violent temper, the Death Heads can take orders and will defend their brothers with all of their ability. As I understand the Deathwatch, the organization wants veterans. Understandable because they're going on the Astartes definition of suicide mission. Also, because of what we're doing with the campaign, Maelbor will be taking Deathwatch veterans, so they'll be on the top of the list of hard. The Infinity Knight and Warrior Eternal have worked with Maelbor before, one likes him and the other dislikes him. As of now, the Arctic Lion and the Death Head have not, although the latter dislikes him based on principle. The team will likely operate alongside Maelbor's agents. Inquisitorial documentation of events will cover all of these. Now, what exactly is the Kill Team going to be responsible for taking down? Exarchs, Warlocks, a Farseer? As for the team relationship, the Death Head and Warrior Eternal will likely get along well, the Infinity Knight will either be scolded or mentored by the aforementioned two, and the Arctic Lion will neither like nor dislike. Death Heads hate traitors, and any orders that Maelbor may give to say "don't kill civilians" will be heard by Isaik, but the difference is in definition. For Isaik, there are no civilians here. Meanwhile, for the Infinity Knight there may very well be civilians who are simply not speaking up but are still loyal. Despite all this, Isaik would defend the Infinity Knight with his life, and in return would at least expect the Infinity Knight to carry some of his ammo. I'm trying to think how many missions they would go on over something like a 4 year period (concerning clean up on interior moons and the ACN). They would surely be responsible for the death of at least one Farseer. Warlocks would also be high priority targets. Exarchs would likely just be killed in the efforts to eliminate the Farseer and Warlocks. So, when Maelbor recruits this team, does he talk with Tobulo and have him turn over his most venerable Marines who have served in the Deathwatch? That in itself could make for an interesting story just because of the inherently troublesome relationship between the Inquisitors and the Astartes (especially when it's a venerable Astartes and a green Inquisitor). How do the Chapters react to giving their veterans to Inquisitorial command? Tobulo would likely bat an eyelash before discussing targets and then turning over Isaik. Some Chapters would have their strength hindered by turning over a single Astartes (notably the Arctic Lions single company). How do the Inquisitorial Agents react to having Astartes fighting by their side, and possibly badmouthing their Inquisitor while they're saving their lives? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2356972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 How do the Chapters react to giving their veterans to Inquisitorial command? Tobulo would likely bat an eyelash before discussing targets and then turning over Isaik. Some Chapters would have their strength hindered by turning over a single Astartes (notably the Arctic Lions single company). How do the Inquisitorial Agents react to having Astartes fighting by their side, and possibly badmouthing their Inquisitor while they're saving their lives? I agree here, I think Arnkel would be irritated at minimum utterly :cuss off at worse, probably to the point that another Captain needs to talk it over with him - or perhaps even Einar. Most cause he needs every Astartes he has, having only one company and being so far from Ursrik, it wont be easy to resupply. As for Einar, I see him being the epitome of an Arctic Lion: cold, calculating, perceptive, quiet, logical and quietly pious. So yes, I'd say he would be that member of the squad that is neither hugely liked or disliked. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2357086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codex Grey Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Maelbor believes that the Eldar are the only enemy in the area, he ignores the greater heresy of betraying the Imperium and focuses on consorting with xenos (ie: He refuses to send men to aid breaking a Perditian line, but will send men to attack traitor leaders speaking with Eldar or crack lines aided by Eldar). Now, there's the idea we have of Inquisitor Maelbor being younger, more brash and headstrong. He is dedicated almost exclusively to the eradication of xenos, and doesn't see the Imperial Citizens as much of a threat or even valid targets. To him they are still Imperial citizens. His excuse might be that it is his job to focus on the xeno threat. Also, he might subconsciously want find a way to blame the entire rebellion on the Eldar, reducing the judgment on the lowliest civilian post-campaign. I really like your description of Isaik King, it gave me a good overview of what he is all about. You gave him tons of stuff, and I'm trying to imagining it all strapped to his armor. I thought the shotgun was a bit too much personally. I also feel you have a tendency to overage your characters, to my tastes at least. 300 is a young Captain's age imo. Other than that Isaik is one mean mother. You said you thought that the WE would fit as a squad leader and I agree. Plus I also thought the the team would have two death heads due to the large number of them present. --- Ivan Titov, Sternguard Veteran Sergeant of the Warriors Eternal First Company. As befits his Chapter, Titov values mental strength in the service of the Emperor, and as a longtime Sergeant he knows how to make his men follow, either by word or by example. Titov is cold and quick thinker, taking the situation of each individual battle into consideration before deciding what is right. He doesn't take the death of Imperial lives lightly, but understands fully that sometimes it is necessary. At 239 years old, Titov have seen a lot of action against the enemies of the Imperium. He has previously served one tour with the Deathwatch, were he started off as a specialist gunner, but halfway through a mission took leadership of his squad when the previous squad leader fell in combat. He lead the remaining team to victory and received the Imperial laurel for this achievement. His deathwatch armor is black, but retains his Chapter's symbol on the right shoulder pad, and also the steel colored helmet that signifies his place in the Veteran Company of the Warriors Eternal, the Iron Guard. On his return to his Chapter he was gifted with a Combi-Plasma, which he still uses to this day. He also bears an extra long combat blade strapped to his belt, in addition to a multitude of grenades and smaller equipment. Isaik might not necessarily like him, but he probably respects him the most out of the other marines. Titov values Isaik's unhesitating nature and martial skill, but is concerned about the general brutality and untamed nature of the Death Heads. Titov respects Raul Dussan for his dedication to the Emperor, but like with Maelbor, he is concerned about the ideals and potential hesitation of Dussan as signs of mental weakness. Titov is has become very trusting of Einar the Arctic Lion. He seems to carry out his orders with dedication and without hesitation. (or more importantly without much questioning) --- Aleksei won't have much problem lending out Ivan, and neither does he. His sternguard serve a more supporting role to the rest of the WE in this Campaign, and he has the utmost confidence that Ivan will do a good job. As for the imperial agents, I think where Titov commands his squad through respect, many of the agents might fear him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2357093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkKnightCuron Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 The way we're describing Maelbor is making me think of a typical forum liberal (no offense to those with the political mindset). Put simply, someone who has nothing short of the best intentions, but is terribly narrow minded in their views. Maelbor believes that the Eldar are the only enemy in the area, he ignores the greater heresy of betraying the Imperium and focuses on consorting with xenos (ie: He refuses to send men to aid breaking a Perditian line, but will send men to attack traitor leaders speaking with Eldar or crack lines aided by Eldar). Essentially, that's his way of thinking. If it weren't for the Eldar deceit, this whole thing likely would not have happened to begin with, and its possible the Eldar are after something--something with bigger implications than this system-wide rebellion. Both Maelbor and the Infinity Knights are something of idealists. That's the impression I got as well. They would at least be on understanding terms with each other, but probably not-as-much with the other Chapters. The Death Heads marine is Juno Isaik, he is a veteran of the First Company and member of Sternguard Squad Lusca. I really like the character concept, KingHongKong. There's definitely openings for a lot of team tension, as well as tension between the team and Maelbor. I don't know what to do for Crocea right now. However, when I first imagined the squad, I actually imagined a Warrior Eternal being in command, to offset the overbearing Death Heads. I did imagine two Death Heads in the squad, though, simply because there were the most Death Heads present. I don't want to add more Chapters though, no offense DKC. Eh, no worries. I just wanted to take a stab at it :cuss (Props if you get the reference). I could definitely see a Warriors Eternal Marine being the Sergeant. As I understand the Deathwatch, the organization wants veterans. Understandable because they're going on the Astartes definition of suicide mission. Also, because of what we're doing with the campaign, Maelbor will be taking Deathwatch veterans, so they'll be on the top of the list of hard. Absolutely. Even with a large amount of Inquisitorial Stormtroopers, Maelbor would probably need the expertise of an Astartes squad to take down their primary target as well as get to the bottom of the Xeno involvement. Veterans are going to be what he's looking for, as he won't have the time nor resources to train anyone 'new' to the Deathwatch. The Infinity Knight and Warrior Eternal have worked with Maelbor before, one likes him and the other dislikes him.As of now, the Arctic Lion and the Death Head have not, although the latter dislikes him based on principle. Sounds about right. The team will likely operate alongside Maelbor's agents. Inquisitorial documentation of events will cover all of these.Now, what exactly is the Kill Team going to be responsible for taking down? Exarchs, Warlocks, a Farseer? Exarchs are a little rare to be plural, if I recall correctly. Likely, their targets consist on a single Farseer (Primary Target), a 'bodyguard' Warlock (Secondary Target), and maybe an Exarch (Secondary Target). Under normal means, you can't interrogate a Farseer very well, but there are probably a few techniques useable to the Ordo Xenos in order to pry information from any of the targets. More than likely, Maelbor will want at least one of the targets captured alive, but not at the expense of a team member; If they are too difficult to capture alive, their execution will suffice. I'm trying to think how many missions they would go on over something like a 4 year period (concerning clean up on interior moons and the ACN).They would surely be responsible for the death of at least one Farseer. Warlocks would also be high priority targets. Exarchs would likely just be killed in the efforts to eliminate the Farseer and Warlocks. Actually, that could be their entire mission: Over the course of that time period, they could be very busy tracking down the Farseer and Warlock. Eldar are masters of stealth and subterfuge, just trying to find one--when they do not wish to be found--is difficult by many standards. So, when Maelbor recruits this team, does he talk with Tobulo and have him turn over his most venerable Marines who have served in the Deathwatch? That in itself could make for an interesting story just because of the inherently troublesome relationship between the Inquisitors and the Astartes (especially when it's a venerable Astartes and a green Inquisitor). Most likely, He'll speak with Tobulo (along with the Captain/Commander of each Astartes detachment) for their most veteran Marines who have served in the Deathwatch. I forsee no small amount of tension in the story--especially during the 'negotiations'. Maelbor will likely have to actually use his badge of office once or twice (not that Astartes are truly bound to obey the Inquisition) in order to truly sway one or two of them. How do the Chapters react to giving their veterans to Inquisitorial command? Tobulo would likely bat an eyelash before discussing targets and then turning over Isaik. Some Chapters would have their strength hindered by turning over a single Astartes (notably the Arctic Lions single company). Depends on the Chapter itself and their views/relationship on the Inquisition. Some Chapters (Black Templars, Ultramarines) are very eager to send their Marines to the Deathwatch/Inquisitorial use, whereas others (Dark Angels, Iron Hands) are very wary around any kind of Inquisitorial involvement, period. Overall, Astartes Commanders probably aren't exactly eager to give up any of their Marines during an assault/siege of anykind. Its like asking someone to use their spoon at the dinner table as they're using it (bad example, but you kind of get the idea). How do the Inquisitorial Agents react to having Astartes fighting by their side, and possibly badmouthing their Inquisitor while they're saving their lives? Very well when said Astartes doing the badmouthing are nearly twice their height and muscle mass and could kill any/all of them with their bare hands. The Inquisitorial Agents (aside from maybe the Stormtroopers) would be outright intimidated by the Astartes, except for maybe the Psyker (but with his exposure to the warp, very little unsettles him anymore). The Stormtrooper Sergeant(s) might have something to say, but wouldn't really push the issue. None of them would like the Astartes bad-mouthing the Inquisitor, and there would definitely be some tension there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2357110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Just a quick thought - surely Autarchs would rate higher on the target table than an Exarch? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2357117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkKnightCuron Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Just a quick thought - surely Autarchs would rate higher on the target table than an Exarch? Gah, I got the names mixed up again. Yeah, Autarchs rate higher than the Exarchs. I forgot which ones led squads of Aspect Warriors and those that hit the epitome of their aspect. So, Correction: Autarchs are rare (probably only a single one in this campaign) and he/she would be a Secondary Target as well. Exarchs would likely number in the few to half-dozen (3 - 6) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2357127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 I just saw this. If you look, there is a triangle formed by the positions of Ursrik, Klysium and Molior. I'm assuming (Sorry Ace, not read the IA in a while) that the IKs homeworld is around that region. I may have missed it, but I didn't think we have a definite position for Gehenna except for it was close to where the DHs are. Maybe this could help? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2357132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkKnightCuron Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 I just saw this. If you look, there is a triangle formed by the positions of Ursrik, Klysium and Molior. I'm assuming (Sorry Ace, not read the IA in a while) that the IKs homeworld is around that region. I may have missed it, but I didn't think we have a definite position for Gehenna except for it was close to where the DHs are. Maybe this could help? Absolutely this could help. Might I suggest a position for Gehenna somewhere within the triangle, probably between Erenon and Nocturne? That way, its closer to the Death Heads' homeworld without being too far of a travel for the other Chapters. (Or, perhaps, between Chogoris and Erenon?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2357137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 I'd be more tempted to place it between Tallarn and Oxatan... that way it's far enough away from the major GW Chapters and still close enough to the WE and DHs. Plus it gives a good reason as to way the ALs give the smallest contribution to the Campaign, as they're the furthest away. EDIT: After some cross checking and re-reading, I'm guessing the IKs homeworld is around the words 'Segmentum Ultima.' But then, I'm more than happy for Ace to suggest otherwise. His chapter after all :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2357146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkKnightCuron Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 I'd be more tempted to place it between Tallarn and Oxatan... that way it's far enough away from the major GW Chapters and still close enough to the WE and DHs. Plus it gives a good reason as to way the ALs give the smallest contribution to the Campaign, as they're the furthest away. That's a sound idea; I'll go ahead and second it, as long as there aren't any problems with the placement. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2357157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Kong Posted April 11, 2010 Author Share Posted April 11, 2010 You gave him tons of stuff, and I'm trying to imagining it all strapped to his armor. I thought the shotgun was a bit too much personally. I bet that must have been a funny thing to imagine, 7 feet of tank armor with three guns and an appropriately sized "short sword" :rolleyes: ! I thought the shotgun really rounded off the brutal image. With a good night's rest I'm imagining him somewhat more vividly for just a character that has made his armor fit his role. Primarily Mk4 power armor, he has weighted greaves, standard chest plate, his right shoulder guard bears the Death Heads' heraldry and his left arm and shoulder are the silver of the Deathwatch. His helmet is fitted with enhanced sensors and enhanced optics (auspex, light, etc.). In keeping with Death Head tradition, Isaik has an elongated, grinning skull painted on his face with a single horn jutting out of the left side (opposite his enhanced optic). For the skull imagine a hybrid between the Word Bearer skull and the skull on Emile (the spartan from Halo Reach). I also feel you have a tendency to overage your characters, to my tastes at least. 300 is a young Captain's age imo. I think you're right. 200 should be a good rough number, then. You said you thought that the WE would fit as a squad leader and I agree. Plus I also thought the the team would have two death heads due to the large number of them present. So, Titov is now the Squad Sergeant? I'll work on a second Death Head then. I'm thinking a powerfist and bolter with auxiliary grenade launcher. Mk6 power armor, something akin to a Tyranid warrior skull (elongated, bestial, fanged, ferocious). Age wise he'll be around 170, having served only once with the Deathwatch. Attitude wise he will be very similar to Isaik (without the track record, of course). He is lighthearted, pious, and loyal to the core. Name, something like Orodo Monssaud. The Death Heads are idealists in the sense that they know their duty is to protect humanity, however they are absolutely unforgiving when men go traitor. Monssaud will find it more difficult to kill humans who aren't influenced by the ruinous powers, but seemingly manipulated by xenos. He is a sternguard, wears several belts of grenades and ammunition drums for his bolter, gladly carries multiple ammunition drums for Isaik's heavy bolter, is overall a kind Astartes. Where Isaik will dislike the Infinity Knight, this one will get along with him fine and understand the pain and confusion. Actually, that could be their entire mission: Over the course of that time period, they could be very busy tracking down the Farseer and Warlock. Eldar are masters of stealth and subterfuge, just trying to find one--when they do not wish to be found--is difficult by many standards. Very good idea, and I could imagine a variety of targets such as "xyz in the vivacity, eliminate" while on the mission. I'd be more tempted to place it between Tallarn and Oxatan Sounds good enough to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2357638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkKnightCuron Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Actually, that could be their entire mission: Over the course of that time period, they could be very busy tracking down the Farseer and Warlock. Eldar are masters of stealth and subterfuge, just trying to find one--when they do not wish to be found--is difficult by many standards. Very good idea, and I could imagine a variety of targets such as "xyz in the vivacity, eliminate" while on the mission. Absolutely. Their efforts would likely be aided with the help of the Psyker (since he's critically adept with the Emperor's Tarot, in order to help ascertain the next location they need to investigate). each 'sub-mission' would likely put them against more and more dangerous foes. Perhaps a Wraithguard or two? I can't imagine a full Wraithlord being involved, but one or two Wraithguard I could see (coughcombiplasmacough). I always thought that Deathwatch vs Warp Spiders would be an absolutely awesome fight, but that's really dependant on the overall presence of the Eldar in this campaign, be they smaller or bigger. Man, I feel sorry for some of those Stormtroopers. :) Some of them are going to get ripped to pieces, if not the whole lot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2357691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Some of them are going to get ripped to pieces, if not the whole lot. Isn't that what they're there for? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2357780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkKnightCuron Posted April 11, 2010 Share Posted April 11, 2010 Some of them are going to get ripped to pieces, if not the whole lot. Isn't that what they're there for? ;) Yes, unfortunately xD Then again, that's what they're trained for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181052-perditia/page/15/#findComment-2357889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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