TheDarkApostle Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Re: Sor Talgron's eventual fate: there is a pretty good possibility that he is seen in M41 as the Warmonger, the semi-lucid Word Bearers dreadnaught in Marduk's (formerly Jarulek's) Host . At least this was my reading of the stories, and the mention of Kol Badar in "Scions of the Storm" as being one of the sergeants in Sor Talgron's host. I can't believe I missed that :o That would certainly be interesting... Although A-D-B would have to confirm, I certainly see this as pretty viable. The only thing I see as going against it is that Sor Talgron is not a Chaplain, which I thought was a requirement to be a Dark Apostle, and the Warmonger was specifically stated to have been the Host's Dark Apostle during the Battle of Terra . But then, I might be wrong on that. Another thing, the stories in question were done by Anthony Reynolds (both the 40K Word Bearers trilogy, and, IIRC, the story in "Tales of Heresy"), so I don't know if this was intended, or if it would even be relevant to A D-B's Word Bearers tale (which does not appear to include Sor Talgron in any significant capacity this far). That said, there is a fairly strong case for Sor Talgron's eventual fate, although, like many things in 40K-verse, it may remain ultimately hinted at but never stated outright. The fluff as I've seen it has always hinted at more or less all Captains/Commanders doubled as Chaplains to some extent. TDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Overlord Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 As far as Lorgar, I see him as an ultimately Quixotic figure based on "The First Heretic", and, perhaps, more human than the rest of the Primarchs. The impression I got out of him was that Lorgar is seeing himself as a chosen one for humanity's spiritual salvation (while he sees his brothers as being the blunt instruments of its temporal salvation). As every single one of his peers and his father/creator tend to give him negative feedback and tell him how much of a failure he is, it is little wonder that he would become more susceptable to the only voices that do tell him of his righteousness. He finds acceptance with Kor Phaeron that he does not find anywhere else, not even in the sole Primarch he considers somewhat of a friend (Magnus). And when even Magnus is shown to have less in common with Lorgar than Lorgar originally hoped for, he begins to follow a very solitary path. Ultimately it seems that Lorgar sees himself as one of a kind, and the confrontation with Magnus only reinforces that belief. He is an intense character that truly has no peers - the other Primarchs are nothing like him; his creator, father, and god has proven himself to be a false deity (in Lorgar's eyes, at least); even his closest spiritual advisor (whom Lorgar treats as a father figure, and even calls him that) is not even remotely his equal. There is a sense of splendid isolation about Lorgar that, to me, makes him an incredibly sympathetic figure - his struggles are not struggles of a warrior (which many of us cannot possibly relate to) but struggles of an intellectual on a quest for self-realization (which, I suspect, will be much closer to many of the older BL readers/40K players hearts). Consequently, "The First Heretic" and its description of the Word Bearers Primarch and Legion was what made me decide on making the Word Bearers my Chaos army. Thats one of the best descriptions of Lorgar I've read, and I agree wholeheartedly. He truly is the "Annoited One", the "Favoured Son of Chaos." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 The only thing I see as going against it is that Sor Talgron is not a Chaplain, which I thought was a requirement to be a Dark Apostle, and the Warmonger was specifically stated to have been the Host's Dark Apostle during the Battle of Terra . But then, I might be wrong on that. Another thing, the stories in question were done by Anthony Reynolds (both the 40K Word Bearers trilogy, and, IIRC, the story in "Tales of Heresy"), so I don't know if this was intended, or if it would even be relevant to A D-B's Word Bearers tale (which does not appear to include Sor Talgron in any significant capacity this far). That said, there is a fairly strong case for Sor Talgron's eventual fate, although, like many things in 40K-verse, it may remain ultimately hinted at but never stated outright. The fluff as I've seen it has always hinted at more or less all Captains/Commanders doubled as Chaplains to some extent. TDA Oops... I was temporarily confusing Sor Talgron and Argel Tal, which I reacted strongly too, because I had debated about Argel Tal's eventual fate. This would have provided... an interesting settlement of that debate. I expect that Sor Talgron's confusing experience with Lorgar at the end of Scions might have led to him becoming a chaplain, due to him wondering what was going on? At the same time, however, The First Heretic states that Argel Tal chose the path of the captain over the path of the chaplain, leading me to believe that since Sor Talgron was already a captain, he couldn't have become a chaplain. Of course, that's just my take... However, I do believe that you are correct, simply that there was a slight inconsistency in fluff, or rather that Sor Talgron was an exception to the path of captain or path of the chaplain thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midgard Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 There is also another possibility - the role of a Dark Apostle appears to at least partially incorporate the role of a Captain into it, at least based on some of Marduk's actions. It is not a pure "Chaplain" role as I understand it, and it is entirely possible that the separation between the roles of a Captain and a Chaplain had eroded somewhat once the Word Bearers adopted their new organization (post-Isstvaan). While some Marines might end up being more specialized (i.e. Kol Badar, who appears to have military talents, but no talents usually required from a Chaplain - coincidentally, he is a Coryphaeus/Captain-equivalent and not a candidate for a Dark Apostle position). Now that could be an entire other topic to address - what level of separation is there between the spiritual leadership (Chaplains/Dark Apostles) and military leadership (Captains/Coryphaei), and whether or not the line between the two became really blurred post-Isstvaan (meaning that a Dark Apostle could come through either Chaplain or Captain "track"). I would love to see this addressed in later Horus Heresy novels, although, as with many things in the 30K-40K universe, there is bound to be a level of ambiguity allowing for debates such as this one (and coincidentally responsible for hours of lost productivity at work... ahem... :woot: ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaoz Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 My brothers in service to the great Lorgar I give you my Anointed.Army based off of the anointed from the Word Bearers trilogy. Built using Chaos Termis, Chaos Knights, and possessed bits (Sorry about some of the pics, I need to get a light box. Also this is built using the Space Wolves codex so its legal to play) Kol Badar http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151081_md-Kol%20Badar.JPG Marduk http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151083_md-Marduk%202.JPG Warmonger http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/8/27/134127_md-warmonger%20right.JPG Icon Bearer with SS/ChF http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151084_md-Icon%20Bearer%201.JPG PF/SB http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151101_md-.JPG TH/SS http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151102_md-.JPG PW/SB http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151108_md-.JPG TH/SS http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151109_md-.JPG FW/SB http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151091_md-.JPG FW/SB http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151092_md-.JPG WC/SB http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151093_md-.JPG SS/ChF http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151094_md-.JPG ChF/AC http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151096_md-.JPG HF/ChF http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151098_md-.JPG PF/SB http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151099_md-.JPG PF/SB http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151100_md-.JPG WC/SB http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151088_md-.JPG WC/AC http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151089_md-.JPG WC/SB http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151086_md-.JPG ChF/SB http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151087_md-.JPG PW/SB/Cyclone http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151105_md-.JPG PW/SB http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/10/29/151106_md-.JPG I have another 4 termis to build along with a bunch of drop pods. I still have to clean up my models a bit. Also thinking about making a Darioq-Grendal model as well to use. Jumping back a bit, how did you make Marduk's staff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurfalypse Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 I have been playing Word Bearers since the second ed. codex, there was a small description of them in it that said they were the first to convert from the loyalists to the chaos gods. It sorta had me at hello you can say. Right now i tend to run a few different lists primarily (as i cant get as goofey as i used to be with the 3.5 dex). This is all assuming an 1850 game. 1. Daemon Prince, 20 Possessed, Base CSM's in Rhinos or footsloggin, Defiler. 2. Chaos Lord, 10 Possessed, 10 Terms, Rest of pts in base CSM's and maybe two obliterators. 3. DONT LAUGH...3 Dreadnoughts (Keeping rest of army in reserve if able), Obliterators (Deep Striking), and rest of pts in base CSM's in rhinos. Those are the main things i play and i usually do not deviate from them very much as i feel dirty if i take banners of specific gods or cult troops. I read the original Word Bearer book but i havnt had a chance to catch up on any of the newer ones. Someones description of him being an "Introvert" of sorts fairly intrigued me and i will definitely have to pick up the others and catch up sometime soon. Just an fyi, my friends think its funny to keep getting my boxes of possessed as birthday or xmas presents, so i quite literally have 45 in total (only 20 painted and about 10 more unpainted). My vengence of the treachery of seeing a continuing supply of of possessed is to shove as many as i can down their throats, every chance i get. Whats better is im gaining a reputation of making a very high % of their invuln saves, so our store has gotten a little scared of em :cuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumai Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Chaoz: it's not mine but the headpiece is a cut down horn ("musician" variety) from the Chaos Knights kit. The haft looks to me like it began life as the Terminator Sorcerer/Lord force staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 The haft looks to me like it began life as the Terminator Sorcerer/Lord force staff. Looks more like the Terminator Power Mace to me. TDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavement Artist Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Always been a word bearers fan. I shall soon be building my host. I'll gladly be your Erebus, Lorgar. The Imperium wont be razed to ashes by itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumai Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 The haft looks to me like it began life as the Terminator Sorcerer/Lord force staff. Looks more like the Terminator Power Mace to me. TDA Well, here's something similar I did using the force staff, though note I re-angled the wrist. Looks like you could be right actually: Marduk's haft has wrappings under his hand, my Apostle doesn't. Seems like GW might have used one to make the other, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Antharis Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Greetings brothers, I have been collecting Word Bearers for a while, but didnt introduce myself here untill i had somethibng to show. Which involved me first finding my camera :devil: Sorry for the quality on some of these pics, lots of options on my cam, and not sure which ones I need. My Dark Apostle: Ezekion Moltuth http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/Lord_Atasyhek/111.jpg My Rhino: http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/Lord_Atasyhek/113-Copy.jpg http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/Lord_Atasyhek/112-Copy.jpg One of my dreads: http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/Lord_Atasyhek/116.jpg A champ: http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/Lord_Atasyhek/121.jpg Some robed marines: http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/Lord_Atasyhek/122.jpg A large portion of my army: http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/Lord_Atasyhek/118-Copy.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totgeboren Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Hey hey, long-time Word Bearer player reporting in. Let me introduce the Word Bearers of the 7th Host, commanded by Dark Apostle Orias. Dark Apostle Orias http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/totgeboren40/Daemons/darkapostle003-1.jpg Grand Librarian Armaros http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/totgeboren40/Daemons/darkapostle007-1-1.jpg Chief Techmarine, as yet unnamed http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/totgeboren40/Daemons/darkapostle010-1.jpg Some of my Anointed http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/totgeboren40/Daemons/darkapostle014.jpg Some Battle Brothers http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/totgeboren40/Daemons/darkapostle007-2.jpg Brother Eligos http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/totgeboren40/Daemons/cthulu070.jpg And a Rhino http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/totgeboren40/Daemons/traitorguards001.jpg I have been collecting Word Bearers since 2:ed, but I don't have much more than maybe 2500 pts. It's been an on and off project. I got a parallel Traitor Guard army going too which has taken a lot of my time, and a big Blood Axe warband. However, the WB BL series by Anthony Reynolds have really reignited my interest since the 4:Ed Codex took it all away, so now I'm back in business! All heed the Word! (Which is the Bird...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Hey hey, long-time Word Bearer player reporting in. I have been collecting Word Bearers since 2:ed, but I don't have much more than maybe 2500 pts. It's been an on and off project. I got a parallel Traitor Guard army going too which has taken a lot of my time, and a big Blood Axe warband. However, the WB BL series by Anthony Reynolds have really reignited my interest since the 4:Ed Codex took it all away, so now I'm back in business! All heed the Word! (Which is the Bird...) Welcome! Really nice techmarine you have there! /The Prophet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Man im loving this thread! I may have to convert to the bearers of the word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totgeboren Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Welcome! Really nice techmarine you have there! /The Prophet Thank you! I'm really happy about how he turned out. I use him as an obliterator, and he also has two assistants. Picture below of one of them, the other looks quite similar, but is not fully painted. http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/totgeboren40/Daemons/traitorguards014.jpg The pic is a bit dark, but he is not as well painted, so it doesn't really matter. I never felt that the GW oblits really meshed all that well with the WB. Don't know why really, but I wanted every model to look like he belongs to the Word Bearers. No hired guns or anything like that. And in the background for Obliterators, it said that many Techmarines have joined their ranks. So I though, "Oh, big hulking Techmarines with weird warp-based tech? Awesome!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sappysid101 Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Hey all, I dont post much around here but after discovering this thread I think i'm going to start ^^ my current 40k army is the Raven Guard but after reaching 10k i've decided to try something else. So my mate lent me Dark Apostle and that provided me all the drive I need to start on the path of the true faith (come to think of it, that may of been his plan all along... :) he also plays Word Bearers) Anyway, i've just ordered the Codex and a box of terminators and I have a quick question for you Apostles out there, is the terminators in every host called The Annointed? Thanks in advance :) Death to the false emperor!!! - Sid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Hey all, I dont post much around here but after discovering this thread I think i'm going to start ^^ my current 40k army is the Raven Guard but after reaching 10k i've decided to try something else. So my mate lent me Dark Apostle and that provided me all the drive I need to start on the path of the true faith (come to think of it, that may of been his plan all along... :cuss he also plays Word Bearers) Anyway, i've just ordered the Codex and a box of terminators and I have a quick question for you Apostles out there, is the terminators in every host called The Annointed? Thanks in advance :) Death to the false emperor!!! - Sid Welcome to the Eightfold Path! About 'the Annointed', you should not take the description of the host of Marduk to be a mould for every host in the legion. No one knows if the terminators are called 'the Annointed' outside of his host, so you can call your terminators whatever you want - for example 'the Annointed'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sappysid101 Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Hey all, I dont post much around here but after discovering this thread I think i'm going to start ^^ my current 40k army is the Raven Guard but after reaching 10k i've decided to try something else. So my mate lent me Dark Apostle and that provided me all the drive I need to start on the path of the true faith (come to think of it, that may of been his plan all along... ^_^ he also plays Word Bearers) Anyway, i've just ordered the Codex and a box of terminators and I have a quick question for you Apostles out there, is the terminators in every host called The Annointed? Thanks in advance :) Death to the false emperor!!! - Sid Welcome to the Eightfold Path! About 'the Annointed', you should not take the description of the host of Marduk to be a mould for every host in the legion. No one knows if the terminators are called 'the Annointed' outside of his host, so you can call your terminators whatever you want - for example 'the Annointed'. Why thank you brother :) After thinking about it I think i'm going to keep the name "The Annointed" for my terminators anyway, if anyone gets funny about it i'll say they defected to my Apostle ^^ Oh and I noticed you all have a number for your Hosts, can someone give me a number not being used? I dont wanna step ona nyones toes xD Oh and what do you think of these for names: Dark Apostle Varros Coryphaus Kul Varnak - Sid (my terminators and codex should get here soon :P) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Totgeboren, absolutely delicious WB conversions. Love the Grey Knight Termie armor and the libby with minion/familiar. Also very nice, rich red. Really like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totgeboren Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Thanks, I got a project log over at warseer, but it's a mix of my Chaos Cult and my Word Bearers, and some daemons, so it doesn't feel like it fits here (seeing as how it's a marine-centred forum.) However, if you want to check it out, it can be found here (shameless, I know!) :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Uriah Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 I thought I'd finally jump onto this great thread and post up some pictures of the Sixth Grand Host of XVII Legion, known in the days before the Warmaster turned his back upon the hated false Emperor as the Chapter of the Illuminated Pyramid. Here are the key leaders of the Patient Sixth: Dark Apostle Aristikapha, Supreme Divisionary of the Dark Council of Sicarus (Big thanks to the Prophet for the inspiration for him!) Zafarkhel, Architect of Woe and Coryphaeus of the Sixth, bearing the Blade Unnamed Dhu'ko'Dah'Khis'Ss, formerly Captain Ard Vadoth, Scourge of Partellus, Daemon Prince I'd like to post more pics of the Sixth, but I'm going to have to wait until I'm finished moving! Grates nunc omnes reddamus! Annuit coeptis! All praises unto thee! He approves our endeavour! - Battlecry of the Sixth Grand Host, Word Bearers Legion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptCortez Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Greetings fellow bearers of The Word, Here are the beginnings of my Word Bearers... http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e144/_SideSwipe_/WordBearer4-1.pnghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e144/_SideSwipe_/WordBearer4-3.png http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e144/_SideSwipe_/WordBearer3-4.pnghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e144/_SideSwipe_/WordBearer3-1.png http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e144/_SideSwipe_/WordBearer2-1.png http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e144/_SideSwipe_/WordBearer1-4.pnghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e144/_SideSwipe_/WordBearer1-3.png I have more to come, including a Chaplain and... Lorgar Aurelian himself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedarklordobsidian Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 wow CptCortez. those are some seriously nice wordbearers. I thought I'd throw in my 2cents with mine, currently I'm stripping the rest of my army and repainting them. Below is the first batch that I completed this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Hail fellow pilgrims of the many fold path. This is the current leader of my dark host, Erebus... Hopefully i'll be able to post pics of some more of my marines soon :devil: http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l522/kizzdougs/Erebus.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Fun to see so much cool and painted Word Bearers! I'll add some of my own, here you can see my newly painted Land Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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