Lord Tybault Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 Hating impurities seems to be a theme for the month :huh: Only that we made that decison before it came into vogue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2549298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 Hating impurities seems to be a theme for the month :) Only that we made that decison before it came into vogue. As did I, I just find it funny. :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2549300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argon Posted October 31, 2010 Author Share Posted October 31, 2010 Hating impurities seems to be a theme for the month :) Only that we made that decison before it came into vogue. We were purging the impure with bolter and flame before it was cool :) . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2550329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Apollo Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 are we sure we want them to be high and mighty about being pure? I mean, they come from an abandoned mining world, when i think of pure i think of Terra or something like that, also we dont want them to be jerks to everyone like the Red Scorpions Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2551144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 are we sure we want them to be high and mighty about being pure? I mean, they come from an abandoned mining world, when i think of pure i think of Terra or something like that, also we dont want them to be jerks to everyone like the Red Scorpions I think that is something that needs to be decided. That is a big part of the chapter's beliefs. There are pros and cons to be high and mighty jerks. You need to consider how big of a part purity will play for them, especially given the fact that constant battles against Chaos increase their risk of corruption. High purity might be mandatory, and an attitude of aloofness might just be bi-product. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2551170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Apollo Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 i just think in the fight against chaos all breeds of man will be needed, the exemplars at the fore front of the fight would understand that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2551311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 i just think in the fight against chaos all breeds of man will be needed, the exemplars at the fore front of the fight would understand that Now that is a dangerous thought. The weak and impure cannot and SHOULD not be asked to fight Chaos. All they will do is fall and become what they are trying to fight. See the problem? Warriors of purity are needed to fight Chaos. The Exemplars, being at the forefront of the fight, would understand that better than anyone. The standards of purity are perhaps the most important thing for a front line Chaos fighting Chapter. Just look at the Grey Knights. Pure in thought, word, deed, and soul. Not a single fallen. That is perhaps the best example one can give. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2551315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argon Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 i just think in the fight against chaos all breeds of man will be needed, the exemplars at the fore front of the fight would understand that If by "all breeds" you mean "men of all skills", then you're certainly right. Otherwise, I second what Shinzaren said. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2551397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Apollo Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 ah i understand, i was just thinking about how many of the enemies the Imperium fights are chaos mutated humans and thought that we would need everyone in the fight, but yall make very convincing points, i guess we should save it for the Tyrinids eh? lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2551478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tybault Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Either way we know they got some issues with the Space Wolves. That might be because about EVERYONE got issues with that drunken, psychotic and generally just barbaric rabble with an ill attitude passing for Astartes or because they indeed are impure/tainted (13th Company?). Something along the line "you're little better than the vermin we fight"... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2551628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Apollo Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 i like their theme and what they are supposed to represent, but you are right they got an attitude problem Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2551943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argon Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 Either way we know they got some issues with the Space Wolves. That might be because about EVERYONE got issues with that drunken, psychotic and generally just barbaric rabble with an ill attitude passing for Astartes or because they indeed are impure/tainted (13th Company?). Something along the line "you're little better than the vermin we fight"... It probably has a lot to do with the whole "You guys told us to go here and fight these guys and now our Chapter Master is MIA and quite possibly dead" thing. That would tend to sour relations to a certain degree ;) . Don't forget that they did agree to follow Grimnar's advice at the beginning. As for the 13th, IIRC nobody outside the Space Wolves actually knows who they are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2552108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Apollo Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 hey guys im modeling my 4th company Captain, Captain Phobos, with MK.3 Iron Armor and Scibor conversions and artificer detail with green stuff, and i was wondering if i should add in a retinue for him or not, what do yall think? Also should he have a venerable Phobos model Holy Bolter or a custom power sword and bolter pistol? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2552381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 hey guys im modeling my 4th company Captain, Captain Phobos, with MK.3 Iron Armor and Scibor conversions and artificer detail with green stuff, and i was wondering if i should add in a retinue for him or not, what do yall think? Also should he have a venerable Phobos model Holy Bolter or a custom power sword and bolter pistol? Umm? Not to be a jerk, but relevance to the article at hand? What does this have to do with the Marines Exemplar? Even if your captain is part of this Chapter, this isn't really a modeling thread. I'm not trying to insult you or be mean, but this isn't really the place. Painting, Conversion, and Modeling. or One of the gaming sub-forums. These are a couple of places you might consider looking at and asking your questions in. This thread, and this forum don't deal with modeling or gaming so much as the discussion, creation, and general backround of Space Marines chapters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2552388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tybault Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 It probably has a lot to do with the whole "You guys told us to go here and fight these guys and now our Chapter Master is MIA and quite possibly dead" thing. That would tend to sour relations to a certain degree B) . Don't forget that they did agree to follow Grimnar's advice at the beginning. I'm obviously VERY biased. Never liked Space Wolves and never will. Don't ask me why, but Space Wolves feel just stupid to me. (Too abd I got one in my Deathwatch Kill-Team...) As for the 13th, IIRC nobody outside the Space Wolves actually knows who they are. Good question. Almost everyone seems to have heard at least rumors about the Blood Angel's curse, so I figured it might be half-way reasonable to assume the same for other chapters having their share of "mutational" problems. But it's more likely Raoul got angry with Grimnar for getting Absolon killed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2552810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Apollo Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 normaly i would defend myself but this is a friendly forum, the reason why i was asking was because you guys know more about the Exemplars than anyone on this wedsite, i wanted your opinion, also we have talked and showed models before, just look at the first page and on the previous discussion page, anyway, if you want to help me thats cool, if not, then thats cool too, i was wondering if we got an IA on these guys coming soon, i cant see really anything left to cover other than demeanor and maybe traditions before, during and after combat, special characters, and maybe some made up battles with chaos if yall want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2554081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argon Posted November 8, 2010 Author Share Posted November 8, 2010 Since we seem to have the basic beliefs down, I'll get to work on it this week. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2556682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tybault Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Since we seem to have the basic beliefs down, I'll get to work on it this week. Will you then add further ideas of your own? Do you wish me to add more of my ideas in the future or rather have me remark on what you put together? I believe having two of us put a lot of material into this thread and then having to cross-read numerous posts isn't very efficient. So what do you think is the best way to go about this in the future? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2556920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argon Posted November 9, 2010 Author Share Posted November 9, 2010 Since we seem to have the basic beliefs down, I'll get to work on it this week. Will you then add further ideas of your own? Do you wish me to add more of my ideas in the future or rather have me remark on what you put together? I believe having two of us put a lot of material into this thread and then having to cross-read numerous posts isn't very efficient. So what do you think is the best way to go about this in the future? More of your ideas would be great. We both know what we respectively think, but I don't know your thoughts and vice versa. If we have more of each other's ideas, we could meet halfway and make something that represents our vision of the chapter. As for the posts, I have no idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2557312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tybault Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 More of your ideas would be great. We both know what we respectively think, but I don't know your thoughts and vice versa. If we have more of each other's ideas, we could meet halfway and make something that represents our vision of the chapter. Okay, I'll post more then. Just occured to me because I was thinking about the inter-chapter relationship and the closer description of some special rituals. Question is how detailed we're actually "allowed" to make it (I've read the Octaguide recently). As for the posts, I have no idea. Guess we'll just have to read more from now on and pay more attention. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2557469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argon Posted November 9, 2010 Author Share Posted November 9, 2010 More of your ideas would be great. We both know what we respectively think, but I don't know your thoughts and vice versa. If we have more of each other's ideas, we could meet halfway and make something that represents our vision of the chapter. Okay, I'll post more then. Just occured to me because I was thinking about the inter-chapter relationship and the closer description of some special rituals. Question is how detailed we're actually "allowed" to make it (I've read the Octaguide recently). What did your thoughts come to? Let's make it a detailed as we want it, and make it more or less so as the Liber instructs us to. As for the posts, I have no idea. Guess we'll just have to read more from now on and pay more attention. :D Or we could just memorize the basics, like I've been doing the entire time and come back to the topic to fill in the details. ;) EDIT: Minor setback on the first draft of the Beliefs section. It got caught in the rain along with all of my other papers. :) I'll try again tonight, and try to have it posted by Sunday. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2557594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tybault Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Ah, okay. Wanted to post a few more things I have thought of but am pretty busy this week, so I'll (again) wait for your first draft and then comment/add. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2560126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argon Posted November 15, 2010 Author Share Posted November 15, 2010 Good news: I finished the rough draft for the Beliefs. Better news: I got a copy of Dark Creed! What discoveries I can make about the Exemplars I will post shortly. Beliefs Centuries of recruitment from Necris combined with the their duty watching over the Eye of Terror has caused the Marines Exemplar to become pious and aloof. Their piety is exceeded only by a select few chapters. Strict religious obesicence is enforced amongst the neophytes, and the chapter's daily prayer times are often longer than the Codex dictates. Battle-brothers often write litanies of devotion, hatred, and vengeance on their armor as a sign of their faith. Free time is often spent in meditation. The chapter's piety has also caused a slight dedication to purity, especially purity of body. The chapter has thus become suspicious of outsiders. Chapters with gene-seed percieved by the chapter as "impure", such as the sons of Corax, Dorn, and Russ, are viewed with aloofness and disdain, an attitude that has soured relations with more than a few chapters. I'm personally not a fan of using "obsession", but I couldn't think of anything better. Any suggestions? Did I not touch on anything I should have? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2562779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Dedication? Devotion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2562782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argon Posted November 16, 2010 Author Share Posted November 16, 2010 Dedication? Devotion? "Dedication" sounds good. I've found the part of Dark Creed that features the Exemplars. From what I can tell, it's set pre-13th Black Crusade, because it mentions "Chapter Master Absolon". Absolon has "twin scars ritually carved down his cheeks", which, in my opinion at least, implies White Scars gene-seed. They could just as easily come from some other source, such as rituals from his homeworld or something. The same scene also identifies another chapter as White Scars successors, so I don't know why they wouldn't also identify the Marines Exemplar as such. Thus, I think it's unlikely. We apparently also have some ties to the Legio Gryphonicus, as Master Absolon says he will call upon their Lord Commander to spare some of their Legios to fight off the blessed sons of Lorgar Word Bearers, and as I understand it not many people in the galaxy can ask a Titan Legion to send over some of their forces. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203425-the-marines-exemplar/page/7/#findComment-2563530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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