This is the Liber Astartes, PART II

[Hubernator]

:P This one is a keeper *bookmarks*

 

Okay then, lets see...

- First: that was hilarious and quite accurate too :D

- Second: there's an odd grammatical error in there. The one I spotted mainly was: "I knew Space Marines were bigger than us humans, but until now he had no idea how much more massive they really were." That doesn't read right :(

- Third: I'm the guy who does color schemes around here :( Anyone can bear testament to that ;)

- Lastly: Why the hang does this sound familiar? Oh wait... 3 times... *glaring at Phantoms IA copies*

[Ace Debonair]

:lol: This one is a keeper *bookmarks*

 

Okay then, lets see...

- First: that was hilarious and quite accurate too :P

- Second: there's an odd grammatical error in there. The one I spotted mainly was: "I knew Space Marines were bigger than us humans, but until now he had no idea how much more massive they really were." That doesn't read right :P

- Third: I'm the guy who does color schemes around here :lol: Anyone can bear testament to that ;)

- Lastly: Why the hang does this sound familiar? Oh wait... 3 times... *glaring at Phantoms IA copies*

Bah, well, I can't do edits on the copy at the top, since it was Shinzaren who made the topic.

 

As for the art stuff, I have to quote myself from a few minutes ago.

Yeah, but if you did the art stuff, I was just going to stand there looking awesome at people, which is hard to do well in text format. :lol:

 

EDIT: But most importantly, thanks for reading, and I'm glad you enjoyed it!

Damn it, I meant to type that first, not edit it in later. :)

Edited November 16, 2010 by Ace Debonair

[Brother Cambrius]

- Third: I'm the guy who does color schemes around here :) Anyone can bear testament to that :lol:

 

I disagree! And where are those power armoured trosuers you promised to give me back in 08? :lol:

 

Cambrius

[Heru]

- Third: I'm the guy who does color schemes around here :) Anyone can bear testament to that :lol:

 

I disagree! And where are those power armoured trosuers you promised to give me back in 08? :lol:

 

Cambrius

Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!

[Hubernator]

- Third: I'm the guy who does color schemes around here :) Anyone can bear testament to that :P

 

I disagree! And where are those power armoured trosuers you promised to give me back in 08? :lol:

 

Cambrius

Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!

Oh don't you start :lol: And besides Cambrius it was your own fault for making a mess of your own trousers :lol: I am not responsible for your own messes.

 

Besides we can always share the title of "Colour Scheme Guy", can we not? :P

[Shinzaren]

Yeah, sorry Ace. I just realized the issue that would cause :) If you wanna PM me any edits you have, I will put them in. I kinda messed up your hard work by slapping it up in a new post... I just wanted it to get the attention it deserved! My intentions were good, but you know how the road to Hell was paved...

 

This has proven to be quite inspiring, and I do believe I might write sequel to either mine, or to yours Ace... Mine would be semi-serious, a sequel to yours... would... not.

Edited November 16, 2010 by Shinzaren

[Brother Cambrius]

- Third: I'm the guy who does color schemes around here :P Anyone can bear testament to that ;)

 

I disagree! And where are those power armoured trosuers you promised to give me back in 08? ;)

 

Cambrius

Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!

Oh don't you start :D And besides Cambrius it was your own fault for making a mess of your own trousers ;) I am not responsible for your own messes.

 

Besides we can always share the title of "Colour Scheme Guy", can we not? :P

 

I'm sure we can make such an arrangement...

 

But it's still your fault for the spillage! Remember it's not just me whom you owe PA trousers as well. Try and say that to the other poeple whom you owe. I dare you.;)

 

Cambrius

[Hubernator]

But it's still your fault for the spillage! Remember it's not just me whom you owe PA trousers as well. Try and say that to the other poeple whom you owe. I dare you.;)

 

Cambrius

There was only 2 other people I think and they got over it quite easily ;) Just you who likes chipping in that little detail in :D Besides how am I supposed to repay a pair of PA trousers??? :P

[Ace Debonair]

Yeah, sorry Ace. I just realized the issue that would cause :( If you wanna PM me any edits you have, I will put them in. I kinda messed up your hard work by slapping it up in a new post... I just wanted it to get the attention it deserved! My intentions were good, but you know how the road to Hell was paved...

 

This has proven to be quite inspiring, and I do believe I might write sequel to either mine, or to yours Ace... Mine would be semi-serious, a sequel to yours... would... not.

It's all good. I'll bombard you with the necessary updates as and when I write them out. :P

 

A sequel or spin-off to either story could be a lot of fun. Why tie yourself down by only doing one? :lol:

 

 

As an aside, Cambrius and Hubernator, if we can have a 'Heresy Department' in the Liber, I don't see why we can't have the 'Guild of Colour-Scheme Guys', too. :P

EDIT: So long as I can join said Guild. After all, I'm the Art Guy in the story. ;)

Edited November 16, 2010 by Ace Debonair

[Imperialis_Dominatus]

all that other stuff I need to keep living.

 

You don't need your eyes to keep living.

 

Get him, boys.

[Brother Cambrius]

You are wlecome within our fold of the "Guild of Heraldry" Ace. :P Along with Clearn, Heru and Dazzo and with Hube, between all of us we are probably responsible for half of the schemes here. :lol:

 

Cambrius

[Hubernator]

As an aside, Cambrius and Hubernator, if we can have a 'Heresy Department' in the Liber, I don't see why we can't have the 'Guild of Colour-Scheme Guys', too. :P

EDIT: So long as I can join said Guild. After all, I'm the Art Guy in the story. ;)

... EXCELLENT

 

"ahem" sounds neat ^_^

[Aqui]

Both stories have made me laugh a lot (and I've needed it lately <_< ), but for future reference, one must not forget us Double Agents....I mean those who can see both sides of the IA/IT coin.... ;)

[Donkey Kong]

Absolutely hilarious, Ace. I'm a little hurt being left out, but considering how infrequently I've posted in recent months it's understandable. So, yeah. I guess Octavulg is Batman.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

I wrote this with the idea of how the Liber should be, so bear with me. I don't want to offend anyone or elevate myself with this peice of fiction.

 

In fact this peice has little humour in it. Again, this is my... portrayal of how the Liber is to individuals, once we take the time to listen to the author and attempt to help him instead of merely destroy the terrible parts.

 

 

 

Deric Mausland awoke, slowly, painfully. He reached up and felt a massive lump on his forehead.

 

"He is concsious, Dark Apostle."

 

Deric might have been alarmed if it weren't for the fact it took him a few seconds to process the words. "Dark... Apostle?" he asked, sitting up and blinking.

 

He was in a small chamber, it seemed, on a cot. He was tended by an apothecary with blood red armour. Apothecary? With a start Deric Mausland remembered the scene with the Liber council, his famous history being torn apart and his attempt to send it to the Librarium anyways. Then there was this huge ball heading towards his head...

 

His hands touched his bump, and he found he could put his fist around it. He quickly put his hand down; it was best not to think about... it.

 

He looked around the chamber again. He saw another blood red armoured marine this time, although he hadn't been there before, and the apothecary looked to him for orders. The new marine made a dismissive gesture with his hand and his helmet clicked once. The apothecary bowed his head, and exited the chamber's only door.

 

The marine held out a dataslate... Deric's dataslate. Deric took it, slightly reluctantly. He was not sure what would happen.

 

"I have read what you have written, on this dataslate" The marine betrayed no emotion, but he took off his helmet. "Follow me."

 

Deric did so, the marine - the Dark Apostle, as the apothecary had said - guiding him out of the chamber, back into the hall of the Legio's Librarium. The plain door leading to the Liber Council was open, and Deric could see the Council arguing with a Librarian from some chapter. The conversation appeared similar to the one Deric had recently experienced, but the Librarian was bringing up images of gigantic space shuttles, vast fleets, and huge armies painted in the same colors that the Librarian was.

 

"Excuse my brothers" It was the Dark Apostle who spoke again. Seeing the Liber Council, Deric recognised him, it was the marine with the knife. Thirst. "They have dealt with many scribes and Librarians who speak of chapters like the one you presented. It is tiring... You are a learned scribe. You know of basic rules that one needs to follow for your proffession, and the Liber Council see so many of their rules broken by those who do not know any better."

 

"Really? Like what?" Deric sneered this, having been humiliated and seen his pride and joy destroyed casually. He was in no mood for generosity.

 

"Such as claiming to be Second Founding. Most of these are already chronicled, if yours was one it would have been known before you presented it. It is incredibly unlikely that the Claws of Hades are Second Founding, especially given their mysterious lack of records in the area of origins."

 

Deric Mausland cursed himself inwardly. Why hadn't he noticed that? He had studied them for years and had never seen this clear lie.

 

Thirst saw the expression on his face. "Perhaps their history is not as they seem?"

 

Deric nodded slowly. "Perhaps..."

 

"You have been with them to learn their history? Is there anything that might have suggested something else in their history?"

 

Ideas began to appear in Deric's head. "The fact they only have records after the Fourth Founding and those records indicate low strength from the earliest point..."

 

Thirst spoke again. "It seems to have been a major accounting error on the part of the Wrath of Hades Librarian. This suggests that they were building up from when they were created during the Fourth Founding. That would be embarassing for the Claws, so why don't you merely say the were created during the Fourth Founding?"

 

"But... The Fourth Founding isn't nearly as well known or respected s the Second Founding."

 

"In the Liber, scribe, most of us actually dislike Second Founders who do not carry their Legion's name, with a few notable exceptions, such as the Crimson Fists."

 

"Why?"

 

"They are simply not as well documented. Speaking of lack of documentation, you lack some on the geneseed of the Claws. What traits do they possess?"

 

"They are highly organised, and tend to favour using prelaid plans to outsmart and outmanouver the enemy. They prefer finishing the battle with an assault, so that their might be glory found in close quarters."

 

"They sound like Ultramarines descendants. They are the most-"

 

Deric cut him off. "But nobody likes Ultramarines! They all act like their better, and stick to this dusty old tom-"

 

Thirst raised his hand to silence the tirade. "Please, there is no need for Matt Ward hate."

 

Deric was confused. "Who is Matt Ward?"

 

"A brilliant Imperial General, whose skill at using units to their maximum effectiveness and yet appreciating their cost is undeniable. He was unfortunately employed as a scribe to the Ultramarines, much like you were for the Claws of Hades, and is responsible for much of the propaganda that defines them today."

 

"So most of the current news of them is badly written lies?"

 

"No. They are badly written and overinflated truths, much like what you did for the Claws of Hades."

 

"I... Didn't think of that."

 

"Most don't. But what of their name? They are the Claws of Hades, and you explained that this 'Hades' was a minor god worshipped by the locals... Is it likely that this Hades is a facet of the Emperor, like the Omnissiah?"

 

"Yes..."

 

The conversation continued for hours, and Deric slowly changed his perspective of the Claws. They were not the chapter he had thought he had recorded.

 

Eventually Deric looked at his dataslate again. It seemed to be the ravings of a desperate fan, not his lifes work. He looked again at the Librarian who was still arguing with the Liber Council. The poor astartes. Deric was slightly amused at his own thoughts. Pitying an astartes?

 

"As I said before, forgive my brothers. They have become blunt because they have dealt with so many and are not inclined to waste time on those who will not respond, like the Librarian."

 

"What will happen to the Librarian?"

 

"The darkest of fates - his chapter will reabsorb themselves into their parent chapter because they were unwilling to change."

 

"I will return to the Claws, then. My portraying was... Inaccurate and needs replacment."

 

"Of course. When you have returned, I will review your work again. The Liber Council might even join in, should your records improve in their writing."

 

"That doesn't encourage me to return."

 

"They respond better to those who change. I should know... I was once a young scribe, much in the same position as you. Even now I seek to record the history of a warband. They respond because I have focused more on the character and actions of the warband rather than how... awesome? They are."

 

Deric nodded. He was slightly shocked, but it did make sense... But he had wasted too much time already. He bowed to the Dark Apostle, and to the Liber Council (who did not notice) and walked down the halls of the Legio once more.

[GhostLegion]

personally I almost find myself more amused by this response than by the original piece....but then, lurking in the background and offering additional information tends to be more my style anyway...

[Brother Cambrius]

Excellent work Thirst! Especially the Matt Ward bit. ;)

 

I am going to have to make one on the liber's Heraldry department at some point in the future. <_<

 

Cambrius

[Shinzaren]

I liked this one. Nicely done DAT! The only suggestion I would make is that all the marines of the Legio wear black as per the Legio B&C IA. Their shoulder pads denote both role (Apothecary, Librarian, Chaplain), and their other shoulder denotes their original chapter.

 

That said, I really liked the way it was written, showing the more helpful aspect of the Liber.

 

P.S. I'll have a look at your new sidebar soon. You need to learn patience :devil: I'll get to it when I can. I promise.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

I liked this one. Nicely done DAT! The only suggestion I would make is that all the marines of the Legio wear black as per the Legio B&C IA. Their shoulder pads denote both role (Apothecary, Librarian, Chaplain), and their other shoulder denotes their original chapter.

P.S. I'll have a look at your new sidebar soon. You need to learn patience :( I'll get to it when I can. I promise.

Yes, but in both yours and Ace's stories they described the Liberites as wearing colours appropiate to their character.

 

And patience is difficult to obtain :D I like to get results :devil:

 

Cambrius - I look forward to seeing that! Perhaps Brother Argos will feature?

 

GhostLegion - I am slightly worried as to why you find this funny... Mind elaborating?

[Luy22]

That was probably one of the greatest 40k stories I have ever read. Beautiful.

[Ace Debonair]

Absolutely hilarious, Ace. I'm a little hurt being left out, but considering how infrequently I've posted in recent months it's understandable. So, yeah. I guess Octavulg is Batman.

 

Sorry, KHK. :)

Truth is, I was also worried of it being 'too many cooks'.

EDIT: As in, any more Liberites added, and they'd get maybe one line each. :P

 

Well, I'm glad everyone likes the story, and even more pleased that a lot of people found it actually funny. :D

Edited November 17, 2010 by Ace Debonair

[Hrvat]

Very nice. Comforting even.

[Ace Debonair]

I liked this one. Nicely done DAT! The only suggestion I would make is that all the marines of the Legio wear black as per the Legio B&C IA. Their shoulder pads denote both role (Apothecary, Librarian, Chaplain), and their other shoulder denotes their original chapter.

P.S. I'll have a look at your new sidebar soon. You need to learn patience :D I'll get to it when I can. I promise.

Yes, but in both yours and Ace's stories they described the Liberites as wearing colours appropiate to their character.

Actually, I described them as wearing black and red, with the shoulder-pad appropriate to whichever loyalist chapter the Liberite in question had invented. (if they had multiple, like Ecritter or Heru, I just picked the first one in their signatures :P )

Which might explain why I never described your shoulderpad, DAT. ;)

 

Not a bad story you've got there. :P

I was quite amused by the 'Matt Ward Hate' bit. :D

 

EDIT: Actually, re-reading this, two things leap out at me.

Firstly, where's the bit mentioning the Librarium team? :)

 

Secondly, I can't help but notice the lack of any other Liberites in this story, even in passing.

Edited November 17, 2010 by Ace Debonair

[Hubernator]

This was also quite a good read. The part mentioning Mad Ward gave me a chuckle ;) Nicely done.

[GhostLegion]

GhostLegion - I am slightly worried as to why you find this funny... Mind elaborating?

 

Oh I dont think I said I find it funny. I think I said I am more amused by this than the original. Quite two different meanings there.

 

As to why I am more amused, well look at how long I have (and continue) to lurk around these forums. For years here, we have all seen all manner of IA concepts...both good and bad. Sometimes these get comments, sometimes they dont. Sometimes people get utterly slaughtered by board members (deservedly or no), and other times we members take time to review what is put before us and offer suggestions or modifications that we feel would assist the original author and make his work better overall...or at least make it fit a little better into the 40k universe and styling. Not all articles end up getting comments...not all comments end up being useful. I, for one, like to think that my comments fit more in the style you (DAT) present in this little short; and thus I find this more amusing.

 

What happens when someone submits something obviously contrary to the current status quo at these forums? Well 1) someone comments on the color scheme...often ignoring the content of the IA. 2) Someone will invariably read it, not like it, and decide it is not worth taking time to post a comment on the article. 3) Someone will read it, like it (or not) and post just that...with not a word of commentary or thoughts (even concerns), despite the general idea being to help eachother improve what we are generating as ideas here (at least this is important in my mind...not all ideas are complete at the first go). 4) Someone will absolutely hate what is written, say so in a few words, and others will jump in on this...though they may alternatively ignore the OP as the (4) here said enough to cover their thoughts. Generally, there is also the 5) which is the person (people) who will take the time to read the post and try making suggestions for improvement...some may even take this to the point of assistance with grammar and structure. This is how I see/have seen the general flow over my time around these forums. Is it bad? Not really...this is part of the fun, and I am as guilty of ignoring posts I have read as much as any others.

 

Now then. I found myself amused (again amused, not finding the bit funny, two different things here) in looking at the description youve included here as it seems to fit more with things I (and others I tend to watch for) have attempted in guiding new IAs, or adjusting my own IA (and the random few who have, for some reason, specifically asked me to look theirs over). It really comes down to a simple (yet viciously complex) balance equation...the author's liking of the IA he is writing (it is his chapter afterall) - vs - the chapter's ability to stand within the construct of the 40k universe and its acceptability to other readers.

 

Again, as this is for fun and none of us are paid to edit fan-generated material, it is quite understandable that not all IA's will get the same degree of attention...it is also understandable that many articles will show and will not receive any sort of reply (useful or otherwise). I, for one, highly encourage/ask for/hope for members who read an article and decide it is worth their time to make a response to take the time to help the OP, if at all possible. It is then up to the OP to accept the comments or not. We (in my mind) can only offer guidance and our different views of what the 40k universe is and what an IA should be/contain...

 

If that explanation makes any sense at all (I am barely awake and have too much blood in my caffene stream at the moment), then I hope you understand my amusement more clearly.