Campaign: Liber Astartes

[Reyner]

Sounds good Ferrata. I think it works better for the Eldar to manipulate the Orks into attacking as a distraction so they can steal and run for it. Ah rebellion makes me wish I had a traitor DIY.

[Aqui]

Sounds good Ferrata. I think it works better for the Eldar to manipulate the Orks into attacking as a distraction so they can steal and run for it. Ah rebellion makes me wish I had a traitor DIY.

 

It's never too late to turn Traitor :D

[Nemesor]

Should it really be a sacrifice just to Khorne? Cause if it was, I don't see why everyone else would flock to his banner. A lot of them would fear receiving the ire of their gods for doing so, surely.

[Aqui]

Should it really be a sacrifice just to Khorne? Cause if it was, I don't see why everyone else would flock to his banner. A lot of them would fear receiving the ire of their gods for doing so, surely.

 

It would seem more fitting to have an Undivided Champion involved somehow. That way specific allegiances are set (grudgingly) aside. But if we go this way, the Champion should not just be an Abaddon wanna-be. He should be his own being of evil, and an agenda of his own.

[Shinzaren]

Once again, idea combining is where all the ideas can really shine. Building on the idea of a world-breaking weapon, as well as Ferrata's idea, how about this.

 

The entire crusade by Petrok was merely a front to gather these relics and start the world breaking weapon. Unfortunately he 'died' before he could complete it. The relics were taken back to his home planet, and in a fit of irony, held up as the greatest relics of a saint of the Imperium. The Eldar, who always know everything about all world-breaking weapons :D set out to destroy/scatter/remove the threat of the weapon before it can be used. They maneuver the Orks towards the planet where a great Waagh is built. In the chaos of the war for the planet, they steal all the relics and scatter them. They decide the safest place for them is among some of the Imperium's greatest enemies. They pass one off to the Orks of a distant realm, telling them its a 'Big Banna fo Gork an Mork.' Another gets passed to the pre-Tau race of Ethereals. They keep the remaining pieces, but scatter them to the far reaches of the Galaxy.

 

X thousand years later, the 'deceased' Petrok returns, his soul granted new life as a demon. He returns to his planet intent on retaking his relics and rebuilding the weapon. When he discovers they are missing, he starts an unholy crusade to reclaim them. He starts with the Tau, who still haven't developed fully, taking it with ease. After that he heads for the Orks, where the Banna o' the Orky Godz' has become a legendary sign of status, and is currently held by some great Warlord. This brings the traitors, and the Loyalists who are following them, into conflict with the Orks. The plot develops from there, with the traitors branching out to find the pieces, and the loyalists following them. The campaign would cover the entire galaxy, and climax with Petrok gathering the pieces, and the entire might of the Imperium racing to stop him before he can activate them.

[Firenze]

I love Shinzaren's idea. It is cumilation of everyones tid bits, with the ability to charge around the galaxy. Id be happy with that.

[Aqui]

Sounds good Shinzaren. Under what circumstances do you think Petrok "died"? Did he willingly take his own life so that he'd be be "reborn" at a later date? Or was his fate sealed, but like Lucius the Eternal the Gods. in a fit of Capriciousness decided he'd be allowed another chance to finish what he started, albeit as a Daemon? Perhaps the conditions of his rebirth are dependant on success. If he succeeds, he gains immortality and power beyond a Mortals dreams. Fail and he'll be lucky to run with the Spawn.

 

The relics.

 

A "conventional" weapon - a sword or dagger?

 

A Banner - perhaps the ruined remnant of a vanquished enemy? Imp Guard? A Chapter that no longer exists?

 

A gem of unknown composition?

 

A skull of a previously unencountered race ('Nid if set way before the IoM officially first knew of them?)

[Shinzaren]

I think that the Eldar, realizing the danger that 'Saint' Petrok posed, would have probably done everything to kill him. I would assume they succeeded, perhaps a sniper in a chaotic battle or something? He would have died, but the Gods whisked him away to become their pawn in the great game. The Relics would be indeterminate in shape and size, since their only function is as pieces of the weapon. I think the main focus of the story needs to be on the hunt for the weapons, the chapters involved in the crusade, both the loyalists who want it stopped, and the traitors who are fighting for Petrok.

[Aqui]

I think that the Eldar, realizing the danger that 'Saint' Petrok posed, would have probably done everything to kill him. I would assume they succeeded, perhaps a sniper in a chaotic battle or something? He would have died, but the Gods whisked him away to become their pawn in the great game. The Relics would be indeterminate in shape and size, since their only function is as pieces of the weapon. I think the main focus of the story needs to be on the hunt for the weapons, the chapters involved in the crusade, both the loyalists who want it stopped, and the traitors who are fighting for Petrok.

 

Fair enough :woot: But as a little suggestion - perhaps there are more than one group of Traitors after the relics. One loyal to Petrok. Other(s) seeing the opportunity to seize the power for themselves, enter the fray.

[Shinzaren]

I would think that depends largely on how many traitor entries we have. Otherwise, where are all the traitors coming from? One idea is that the unholy crusade acts like a Waaagh, gathering followers and power until it get huge, but even then, I would think we need to limit the traitor marines themselves to the ones our madfellows have posted. :woot:

[Aqui]

I would think that depends largely on how many traitor entries we have. Otherwise, where are all the traitors coming from? One idea is that the unholy crusade acts like a Waaagh, gathering followers and power until it get huge, but even then, I would think we need to limit the traitor marines themselves to the ones our madfellows have posted. :woot:

 

Perhaps we could start off with the Traitors working together, but greed intercedes and the Traitors start stabbing each other in the back....until Petrok reins them all in. Gives a reason for Traitors to kick off against each other.

[Brother-Sergeant Bohemond]

not sure on the 'super-weapon' craetion idea...seems like id expect DA, ultras, and everyone else joining in then...

 

maybe they are part of a ritual that wil cause something climactic on a certian planet with dire consrquences for that part of the Imperium?? A boost to the Chaos gods power rather than a mere 'weapon of mass destruction'. seems more...chaosey to me.

 

My 2 cents.

[Captain Forcystus]

not sure on the 'super-weapon' craetion idea...seems like id expect DA, ultras, and everyone else joining in then...

 

maybe they are part of a ritual that wil cause something climactic on a certian planet with dire consrquences for that part of the Imperium?? A boost to the Chaos gods power rather than a mere 'weapon of mass destruction'. seems more...chaosey to me.

 

My 2 cents.

 

Depends, we as the folks behind it would know the nature of this "World Breaker" but in universe I doubt many would know the nature of the relics and their connection to such a machine if we go that route. It would also be a good way to make it so the AdMech arent butting in, if they dont know its technological nature they probably dont care

[Shinzaren]

Except that to the Imperium, it's not a super-weapon search. They don't know why Petrok came back, or went rogue in the first place. They are simply chasing down great relics and bringing a traitor to justice. The crusade is simply to halt the traitors and get whatever they are aiming for first. The Imperium doesn't know about the super weapon, and so no major chapters would need to be involved.

[Heru]

I don't dig the world-breaking weapon idea either. There are plenty of conventional world-breaking weapons floating about in 40k as it is (Abaddon's Planet Killer ship, Exterminatus weapons, Warp bombs etc). Also that whole storyline turns Petrok into just another mustache twirling villain in my opinion.

 

What I would do is keep Petrok as the major evil in the central plot which is dealt with properly in the final campaign when the relics are returned, and have the side campaigns as more than just "recover the relic".

 

For example Petrok's skull ends up being used in some sort of ritual in the Ultima Segmentum, the sword ends up getting turned into the vessel for some Daemon (thus becoming a Daemon weapon) by some radical Inquisitor in Tempestus, and Petrok's custom force field generator gets used in some mega "world-breaking weapon" in Pacificus etc etc.

 

I also don't think any non-B+C related armies should play any major roles, because if they do that means they need focus (and focus means fluff and rules), instead they should act as secondary foes that just happen to be in the neighbourhood of the particular Segmentum campaign (example Tyranids from Leviathan in Tempestus).

 

 

Edit: In regard to "major Chapters", they are only major because GW always has to throw them into absolutely every large event. In-universe the likelihood that they would be present all over the place is really, really low. Just look at the Badab War, only one "major Chapter" was involved (Salamanders), and at the time they were added in they weren't particularly "major". Besides from an in-universe perspective EVERY Chapter is "major".

[Nemesor]

I agree on the superweapon thing. Bit underwhelming. Maybe he just wants to carve out a chunk of the Imperium for himself/chaos. That's good enough methinks.

[Brother Argent]

To add my voice to the growing number of dissenters I agree completely about the whole World Breaking Weapon Thing. After all thats what Exterminatus essentially is, so why chase down all these bits and bobs when you can just steal a ship and rain hell that way.

 

I really like Feratta's idea of the whole rogue "Saint"that no-one really knew was rogue although I agree that it should probably be an Undivided event, not straight Khorne. Perhaps ol'Petrok had a personal following of Khorne but to unite all the DIY Traitors it probably should be Undivided as a whole thing.

 

EDIT: And I'm not sure about Eldar manipulating Orks to do their dirty work. Seems, since DoW that is what every major ork attack is, an Eldar plan. Perhaps the Eldar manipulate a different group (Traitors, Tyranids - by planting some genestealers) Although most other races wouldn't be that interested in stealing the relics. Either that or why dont the Orks or ELdar (Maybe even Dark Eldar) outright steal the relics for themselves?

[Nemesor]

I was saying that Petrok should not be dedicated to one god only. Other chaos dudes would be able to tell. And they'd not follow a worshipper of their enemy. Nor would a follower of Khorne want troops of the other weaker gods under him.

[Brother-Sergeant Bohemond]

I agree, undivided makes more sense. but what if his number two during the campaign was a Khorne follower and he disappeared after the war and returns with Petrok to help him fulfill his mission, but secretly wants power for himself?

 

how does that sound??

[Nemesor]

That could make sense, but we don't want to overcrowd the storyline with conflicts. I suppose there could be a schism where the Khornate guys break away and have to be put back in their place?

[Heru]

Just have it as undivided, if you add a schism you weaken Petrok as a "super bad" when he's resurrected. When he comes back you want the barrier between Reality to weaken with Daemons, and Chaos flooding the Sector. It makes the final campaign an epic struggle rather than just another day at the office with Dick Dastardly and Muttley.

[Arkangilos]

Maybe one of his followers was the one who had planted the seeds of doubt into Cain the Unholy's mind (ultimately causing him to kill most of his chapter, and create what became known as the "Imperium of Cain" in the Draco Sector).

[Chapter Master Ignis Domus]

I just want to pop in to make excuses as to why I have not and won't until Sunday be participating in the discussion. There's a wedding going on, and as much as I'd love to sacrifice all my personal life to this, I think that would be a bad idea. I do like the overall plot from what I've read, though I do agree with the opponents of the superweapon, as it would probably be a bit of a big thing in fluff, sort of like the Death Stars.

[Ecritter]

As I stated earlier, just having Xenos to kill is enough for my chapter (and some others). The fact that we may or may not know of the relics will have little to do with our participation.

 

On the daemon issue, remember that daemons can't exist outside the warp for extended periods .... barring a couple circumstances. So perhaps a new bout of warp storms is in order?

[Captain Forcystus]

I know its a bit early to be thinking about this with how much is still uncertain but have any of us given any thought to the name of this conflict we have brewing here?