Zynk Kaladin Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Loken was the best character in the series. A noble tragedy that showed just how far the traitors fell. When he died it was really sad. Then they ruined it by bringing him back. Amen to this! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2795707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Engel Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I think the complaint comes from the fact the only Loyalist Legions with any dedicated novel are Dark Angels and Space Wolves, whilst there is The Emperor's Children, Lunar Wolves, Death Guard, Word Bearers, Alpha Legion and Thousand Sons novels in contrast. Sure there are token appearances from loyalists in Battle for the Abyss, Mechanicum and the rest, but no real depth has been shown. The glimpses we get of the Imperial Fists through "The Dark King" and "The Lightning Tower" eclipse anything we've seen from the Dark Angels. :) I imagine the closing trilogy will focus, mainly, on the Blood Angels, White Scars and Imperial Fists with appearances by the traitors like the loyalists get in the first three. I wouldn't be surprised if the Blood Angels get a Signus Prime book too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2795796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Loken/Garro, in the 1-2 seeds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2795805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purge The Weak Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 In a fair 1v1 using only blades etc it would have to be Lucius, he learns quickly from his mistakes. Anyway if anyone does best him they will turn into him, so win win anyway! Eberus was stupposed to be decent too. Abandon would be a obvious choice with his brute strength. Depends terminator armour in the rules? Loken is good, but next time he fought Luc he was out matched rather fast. Santar is epic fail though, wall of shame for him! Also as the sons of russ seem to chop through marines like butter a few of them must get a mention! Same with thousand sons I guess if your including powers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2795910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brannick Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I wouldn't be surprised if the Blood Angels get a Signus Prime book too. James Swallow writes as we speak! (or so we are lead to believe) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Straight toss of the coin between Abaddon and Sigismund. Only reason we don't have a clear winner is the fact they never faced each other down so no last man standing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I'd love t see lucius take on the deamon version of himself. that would be interesting. But aside from that Loken is made out to be the biggest badass alive, sure in a the manner of solid sword play he may get flayed but encompassing all fighting styles he would surely lay out next to everyone, including abaddon and sigmund Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 But aside from that Loken is made out to be the biggest badass alive, sure in a the manner of solid sword play he may get flayed but encompassing all fighting styles he would surely lay out next to everyone, including abaddon and sigmund Loken had his chance in a life or death fight with Abaddon and got mauled. Only thing that saved him was a titan putting its foot in the wrong place at the wrong time to let him off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necris Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 The only reason Loken lost his fight against Abbadon was the armour differences Loken has at the end of their fight his sword tip poised to end Abbadon but the extra strength boost means he can throw Loken off his and deliver a 'fatal' wound to Loken. But even Abbadon isn't good enough to kill Loken which led me into pondering to what extent the 30K marines knew the abilities of their implants Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Didnt Lucius beat Loken in their rematch? Havent read the first 3 books for a while so i might have made that up. Loken was an awesome character but I dont understand where most of you seem to have got this ultimate fighter view of him from. As far as I know he was never mentioned as the best marine in the LW/SoH let alone all of the Legions, where as marines like Abbadon, Sigismund and Sevatar are mentioned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja6fett Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Argel Tal has to be in with a shout. -snip- And he was clever enough to spot the gap in the abilities of the Custodians. I didn't get that from the book. I mean, yes the custodes are different, but by the end of the book it seemed like the 'flaw' Argel Tal saw didn't really exist. The custodes only lost because they were overwhelmed, their teamwork or lack thereof was not an issue at all. Maybe I'm wrong and I'll see it differently when I reread the book, but I thought Argel Tal was wrong about the flaw he perceived. On topic: I think Khârn would beat Lucius in a similar way to how Loken beat Lucius. All that finesses and skill would lose out to the sheer brutality Khârn could bring to a fight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 But aside from that Loken is made out to be the biggest badass alive, sure in a the manner of solid sword play he may get flayed but encompassing all fighting styles he would surely lay out next to everyone, including abaddon and sigmund Loken had his chance in a life or death fight with Abaddon and got mauled. Only thing that saved him was a titan putting its foot in the wrong place at the wrong time to let him off. Not like that fight between Abaddon and Loken was fair. Abaddon was rested and his wargear was it tip top shape. He had Terminator armour also. Loken had been fighting for months. He just survived a fight with Khârn and was armed with a chain sword. Still almost killed Abaddon. Not only was Loken the best with a sword in the Legion he was also a powerful Psyker. Divination. He has demonstrated the ability of Precognitive strike, against Lucius in their first duel. He also has seen the future like a farseer, when he joined the Mournival. That was all before he survived Isstvan III. With the power upgrade he got when he became Cerberus he is now head and shoulders above the rest. Ive said for a while now that Loken will turn out to be Very long lived. After hearing Legion of One, I'm even more sure. He said "The peace of the grave will not be mine until the scales are balanced" How can the scales be balanced with Abaddon sill breathing? In the new GK codex it talks about how some Grey Knights have gained the power of immortality. I feel Loken was the 1st. Some day he will get even with Abaddon. Lil Horus will be dealt with near the end of the HH. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Loken. Was. Not. Psychic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Loken. Was. Not. Psychic. Does that necessarily rule him out though? He may have simply established the way the GK were run, organisation wise, how they viewed the threat of Chaos (he knew well enough the true threat of Chaos) and so on. He certainly wouldn't be used in any psychic training, but he would have certainly been a major help to the Grey Knights when they were forming their core of beliefs and in simply running the chapter well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 He was insinuating Loken was awesome because he was a precog. He wasn't a precog. I can say Sigismund was the best because he was trained by the Emperor. Doesn't make it true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 He was insinuating Loken was awesome because he was a precog. He wasn't a precog. Loken correctly predicted what would happen to him on Isstvan III pg 83 Horus Rising. This was a foretelling as i see it. "Then, briefly , he imagined another death. Alone, far away from his comrades and his Legion, dying from cruel wounds on some nameless rock, his passing as memorable as smoke" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja6fett Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 He was insinuating Loken was awesome because he was a precog. He wasn't a precog. Loken correctly predicted what would happen to him on Isstvan III pg 83 Horus Rising. This was a foretelling as i see it. "Then, briefly , he imagined another death. Alone, far away from his comrades and his Legion, dying from cruel wounds on some nameless rock, his passing as memorable as smoke" I think that was Loken waxing eloquent about the possibility of an ignominious death, not a psychic premonition. As stated above: Loken. Was. Not. A. Psyker. They test you for that stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logain the Ranger Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 He was insinuating Loken was awesome because he was a precog. He wasn't a precog. Loken correctly predicted what would happen to him on Isstvan III pg 83 Horus Rising. This was a foretelling as i see it. "Then, briefly , he imagined another death. Alone, far away from his comrades and his Legion, dying from cruel wounds on some nameless rock, his passing as memorable as smoke" That's called foreshadowing. Authors use it alot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxjace Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 you guys i see a Youtube montage coming on, ultimate showdown anyone? uhm my best bet would be Abbadon, he is supreme war-master of all Chaos forces, no one save the gods themselves is above him. hes just ultra powerful and he has lived 10,000 years, not many people can say they saw the Horus heresy and are around now, so unless the Imperium has got an uber unit up their sleeve I'm going with Abbadon The Despoiler. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustermaker Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Sigismund ;) If it is just a strait up fight i agree that Sigismund or Abby would win. Those two are pretty much on the same level looking down upon the rest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 The only marines i could see possibly beating Lucius are Nicodemus and Sigismund. I recon Lucius would wreck Abbadon in a straight up fight. Doesn't Torgadon put Loken up to fight Lucius because he is the best swordsman in the Lunar Wolves? And i think its fairly true to say that Lucius is a far more accomplished fighter than Loken. Obviously best Swordsman doesn't mean best fighter but Tarvits mentions that Lucius is also supremely skilled with all his other weapons as well. He just chooses to use a Sword over the others because it suits his arrogant style. Am i just imagining the part with Torgadon because thats how i would like it to be? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Not only was Loken the best with a sword in the Legion he was also a powerful Psyker. Oh my, no. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Not only was Loken the best with a sword in the Legion he was also a powerful Psyker. Oh my, no. Great. Seems i'm all alone on this. Ah well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Not only are you alone your straight wrong. Or does Alan Merrett need to ask you to stop with the crazy theories until it's all finally revealed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2797756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Loken wasnt not a Psyker..........my toaster is more of a Psyker than him. And fist to fist, toe to toe both well rested in a fair fight id say Loken would beat Abaddon, It would be close, but he would win. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/3/#findComment-2798141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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