GhostMalone Posted September 21, 2013 Author Share Posted September 21, 2013 well how about sculpting a full layer at a time and maybe use smaller links and round the tops of the visible ones? im sure its not hard it just seems fiddley. you can do it kage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Thanks. I'm gonna give it a least another try or two. I think the WHFB High Elves have the closest thing I've seen to lamellar: http://i.imgur.com/5XBg8Tx.jpg?1 Though it's most likely just squared off scale mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted September 21, 2013 Author Share Posted September 21, 2013 it seems the smaller scale works well so I think your right on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio Silvernale Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Well I've made armor IRL and really the biggest difference between lamellar and scale is the way it overlaps. Scale overlaps over the row below it to resemble scales while lamellar overlaps over the row above it and uses rectangular plates. Oh and sometimes scale is layered over chain while lamellar is usually over a quilted gambeson or leather backing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Scale is also offset every other row so that it doesn't leave an open and vulnerable spot between the rows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Sounds like enough of a difference to be a different kind of armor, pardon my ignorance. :D Â Kage: Keep on rolling. That way when you pull it off, you can go back to that sculpting board and go "Ha suckers! I did it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 No worries, Kol. :)Â History was always one of my favorite subjects in school and then I got hooked on the history of warfare, particularly armor and weapons. Lamellar became more popular than scale mail because it didn't restrict movement as much, was easier to repair since it's just plates laced together, plus it was also cheaper to make and required less skill from the smith. Materials ranged from leather (hardened by boiling) to iron and bronze. Â It also featured heavily in samurai armor, and the Japanese being the perfectionist artists they are, would often contrast a dark armor color with a bright color for the lacing. They also differed from most other nations making use of lamellar armor by coating the plates in urushi - a resin made from the sap a tree that's basically big poison ivy - which not only allowed them to color the plates however they wanted by adding dyes to the resin, but the primary reason was to keep the iron from rusting in the awful humidity of the islands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted September 21, 2013 Author Share Posted September 21, 2013 http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y524/Taron_James_Beer/image_zpsdd1274a3.jpg http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y524/Taron_James_Beer/image_zps1884a6c8.jpg  so update on slight conversions    and just to test my skill  http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y524/Taron_James_Beer/image_zpsa88bbd69.jpg  im pretty awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Gotta learn to walk before you can run, Jasp. We all have to start somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted September 21, 2013 Author Share Posted September 21, 2013 yeah I know but im still awfull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Kage: I think what you have done looks good. Maybe try and create more definition between the the underlying fabric, and the metal plates. Â Jaspcat: Good start, it's best to work slow, do a little bit, wait for it to dry, then do the next. I can't wait to see how he turns out :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Well, you also picked something pretty difficult. One of the hardest lessons for me to learn with this horrible epoxy putty is patience. I'm guessing you tried to do all this at one time? You'll have to teach yourself to work in little steps - sculpt a small part, set it aside until it cures, sculpt the next piece, set it aside, rinse and repeat. That's why it took me so many days to do that helmet. You also have to start planning it in advance because there are considerations that aren't apparent when you're first getting into sculpting, like if you're going to have room for your tools to reach without bumping into something else - which, again, is why you need to work in layered steps because if you tried all of this at the same time, you might wreck one side of the Omega icon while sculpting the blade and not even realize it. Another thing is that greenstuff bonds to itself, especially when it's freshly mixed and hasn't cured much. If you lay down a little sausage of GS on the back of that powerfist while the powerfist housing you sculpted is still "wet", you might have a hell of a time making any adjustments to it just a few minutes later, and if you accidentally press a finger into it when it's close to being cured, you're . Once it starts to cure, it gets a spongy feel to it and it will no longer hold detail. If you try to smooth out a fingerprint and reshape the damaged area when it's spongy... not happening. Time to go punch something. If you want to it again, what I would suggest is to sculpt the blade first and let it cure. Come back and do the Omega icon. If you're not 100% sure that you won't accidentally put a finger into it, I would just sculpt one half of the icon, let it cure, and do the other half. You could also try practicing by taking a decal sheet with an Ultramarines icon on it about the size of the Omega you want on the powerfist and then tape something clear over it - a piece of acetate or wax paper - and try to sculpt within the lines, so to speak. There was some Golden Demon winner a while back, ten or more years, that had all these incredible icons sculpted on his figures, and he had drawn them out on plain ol' notebook paper, sculpted on to top of them, and once the greenstuff cured, soaked the paper in water until it was soft enough to pull the greenstuff away from it. Remember: patience, my young padawan. Patience, patience, patience! And don't give up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 lol, Jaspcat is a Padawan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Dog Studios Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Thanks all for clearing up the Crux issue! I'll probably keep it then, less work for me to do Also, that lamellar armor is awesome kage, I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product! And I really like the converted ravagers Jasp, I'm tempted to pick some up myself to wolf up, the helmet design they have is pretty cool. Should have some more updates soon, nearly finished the Long Fangs pack, but I'm not really liking the look of them at the moment, they look too plain. They are currently mostly in MK IV armor, so I might rip the missile launchers off and put them on some MK II amour that I'm going to buy, due to them being the old wolves, they will have old armour. Wanting to maybe add some thunderwolf cavalry in, not sure if they had them back in 30k, but I don't see no reason why they wouldn't. Don't know how to include them into the army though using the betrayal rules :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Wulox sounds cool. I don't see why they wouldn't have thunderwolf Calvary. Â Bit of work on my Alpha Legion Praetor. His belt is a right mess, will sort that out later. Â http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2859/9855641646_8dd5be5636.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Dog Studios Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Wulox sounds cool. I don't see why they wouldn't have thunderwolf Calvary.  Bit of work on my Alpha Legion Praetor. His belt is a right mess, will sort that out later.  http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2859/9855641646_8dd5be5636.jpg  Looks fantastic, did you base the pose off the Legion cover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 On the very original version it wasn't intentionally supposed to look like the cover of legion, but once I realised I had ( very probably subconsciousanly) been copying the cover I just went for it. I think I may remove the iron halo, don't think it suits the character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted September 22, 2013 Author Share Posted September 22, 2013 lol, Jaspcat is a Padawan! Maybe so but I tell you kol I will be a god and then you shall be my padawan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Not sure I could ask for a better god... Cats for the Jaspcat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calgar 2.0 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 First two squads just about finished being built. Just need to find the power fist for a Sergeant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted September 22, 2013 Author Share Posted September 22, 2013 Can't wait to see calgar :D Â And the only cats that I shall permit are my cat Peter griffin!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5342/9867513963_0e76410538_c.jpg[/url] seekers by vazzy2012, on Flickr  Seeker squad Polynikes ( Cato, Dienekes, Polynikes, Alexandros, Sidonus)  "Hunter 2 actual, this is Hunter 2-1, target sighted. Word Bearers, confirmed as members of Fernas' rabble. Permission to engage?"  "Hunter 2-1, this is Hunter 2 Actual. You are go for hostilities. Courage and Honor.  Hunter 2 actual, Out."  "Courage and Honor Brother. Hunter 2-1, Out."  -Recorded transmission between Captain Fidelitas(See File: XIII 129th) and Strike Leader Polynikes, Arcology Z23WFT "Delras", Calth, Veridian System.   Already put up in My WIP. But i'd appreciate Y'alls opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 its a great start vazzy! cant wait to see more finished pieces from you.    okay so my update I have the first ten man vet tac squad done and the first rapier http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y524/Taron_James_Beer/image_zps04775fd6.jpg http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y524/Taron_James_Beer/image_zps4afa0107.jpg  http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y524/Taron_James_Beer/image_zps0a66e92b.jpg http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y524/Taron_James_Beer/image_zps27943d86.jpg http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y524/Taron_James_Beer/image_zpsa1032536.jpg http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y524/Taron_James_Beer/image_zps7acb62f6.jpg http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y524/Taron_James_Beer/image_zpsf4687d6c.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y524/Taron_James_Beer/image_zpsd5cb2868.jpg  jealous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Jealous of something written by Nick Kyme? Not particularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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