Memento Of Prospero Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 (edited) So another apocalypse game is on the horizon, and I have enough predators now to attempts am armoured breakthrough RoW, a yet dream for most Iron Hands players.Here's what I am thinking of fielding, in light of recent updates. Keep in mind that my group uses a flat 25% points allowance of LoW choices. I am more tanks than infantry models. The goal is to be able to neutralize enemy armour while my allies deal with the more "fleshy" elements of the opposing force. Armoured Breakthrough 5,000 points.HQOrth (rides the laser destroyer vindicator squad)Troops2x Legion PredatorAutocannon, lascannon sponsons, multi melta pintle, dozer blades2x Legion PredatorAutocannon, lascannon sponsons, multi melta pintle, dozer blades2x Legion PredatorAutocannon, lascannon sponsons, multi melta pintle, dozer bladesElites10 Gorgon Terminators4 Chainfists, 2 heavy flamersSpartanFlare shield, dozer blade, armoured ceramite, multi melta, BASimulacraSicaran Battle TankLascannons, multi melta, dozerbladeSicaran Battle TankLascannons, multi melta, dozerbladeHeavy Support3 MalcadorsLascannons, battle cannon, demolisher cannon, multi melta,armoured ceramite, dozer blade, BASimulacra, command tank3 Laser Destroyer VindicatorsDozer blades, multi meltaSicaran VenatorArmoured ceramite, dozer bladeLords of WarFerrus Manus, Executive BAMF of the Board.Cerberus Tank DestroyerLascannons, multi melta, armoured ceramite, dozer blade, BASimulacra Edited August 19, 2016 by Wolf_Pack Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4472233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 It's.... It's beautiful. Especially the 3 Malcadors. Love it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4472439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Teeth Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 It's beautiful, but on a technicality, needs a small change; You need someone/thing with Master of the Legion to take Armoured Breakthrough. Fortunately you have an easy option: You can take a Sicaran or single Predator as an HQ choice. This 'Company Command Vehicle' counts as having Master of the Legion for this Rite of War. It doesn't have to be the Warlord though, so you can still have Orth as well. In fact, you could put Orth IN this tank if you wanted, but it would be a shame to lose the extra free +1BS it gets. Simply put. Make one of the Sicaran's an HQ choice. It gets BS5 and Master of the Legion. Your army is now legal! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4472499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 (edited) He has Ferrus in the list. Thats Master of the Legion Sorted. Edited August 19, 2016 by Slipstreams shandwen 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4472506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I thought troop predators couldn't be upgraded with anything past heavy bolter sponsons? BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4472605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 They can't take anything but Predator cannons. Sponsons are fine. Pintle-mounts are the one I'm not sure about. RAW, they're disallowed, but going by the wording, I think it was unintentional. Flint13 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4472618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Teeth Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 How does he have Ferrus and the Cerberus? You can't use a Rite of War along with one of the alt. FoC's that has multiple LoW slots, and you can't mix a Primarch into a Super-heavy Detachment. If he's playing Apocalypse and forgoing FoC's in general, then that's a different matter, but it isn't clear as the post says they're using a Rite of War. The Predators that are Troops, Flint, must have Autocannons as turrets. That's the only restriction. Flint13 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4472620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 It's up for debate on the preds - it does strictly use the word ONLY... Until there is an official verdict i'm holding off on my Blood Angels Assault Cannon Boats... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4472717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 The restriction prevents you from changing the predator cannon, nothing else. As for Ferrus and the Cerberus, as mentioned, we use a flat 25% LoW cap with no slot limitations. This makes the smaller super heavies very attractive for those who like to smack faces with a Primarch. I am not too sure on the malcadors as they run so expensive, but I think they will be doing lots of work upfield with a command tank. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4472960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna707 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Man that is an intense list! Crush their weak flesh! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4472965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 (edited) The Predators that are Troops, Flint, must have Autocannons as turrets. That's the only restriction.Ah, "...armed with predator cannon turret and sponson weapons only..." Shame they can't toss on one of those sweet, cheaper pintle meltas, but that's pretty awesome. Edited August 19, 2016 by Flint13 Memento Of Prospero 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4473171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Son of a nutsack! Where do I spend the newly freed 90 points? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4473195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) I'd drop the multi-meltas from the laser destroyers too and grab a pair of Javelins. It's up for debate on the preds - it does strictly use the word ONLY... Until there is an official verdict i'm holding off on my Blood Angels Assault Cannon Boats... Predator Cannon + 2 Assault Cannons is still solid. I guess they are trying to limit the HS-level firepower you're now getting as fast scoring units? Edited August 20, 2016 by Terminus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4473240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Teeth Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 I can't imagine that that wording denies vehicle upgrades. It can't honestly mean that you aren't allowed to put Dozer Blades on your Troops Predators - that's just be absurd. I'm confident it's just referring to the Turret & Sponson weapons-systems. Brofist 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4473310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Vehicle upgrades aren't restricted. The wording is "armed with Predator cannon turret and sponson weapons only". Having a pintle-mounted weapon probably counts as being "armed", but I still feel like pintle-mounted weapons are a grey area. They are a vehicle upgrade, so shouldn't be restricted, but they are still a weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4473343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 So... Now that the mastodon is out, who is dreaming of fielding that fatty in an armoured breakthrough or Head of the Gorgon as a pimp mobile for Ferrus? Orth, Void shields, Simulacrae and IWND on that turtle ought to be downright... glorious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4480726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 It's a LoW too so only in big games with opponents permission I suppose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4480859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 It's a LoW too so only in big games with opponents permission I suppose. Most folks use a flat 25% in apocalypse sized games, because the slot restriction no longer makes sense. A chapter of marines would be supported by quite a few fatty tanks ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4481043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 So... Now that the mastodon is out, who is dreaming of fielding that fatty in an armoured breakthrough or Head of the Gorgon as a pimp mobile for Ferrus? Orth, Void shields, Simulacrae and IWND on that turtle ought to be downright... glorious. Add in a Techmarine with max # of Servitors for 2+ Repair Rolls to keep it going after Ferrus Hops out to Hammer Time. "Oh, I just lost 4 HP?" Welp 2+ Repair, 5+ IWND, 6+ BAS and then 5+ Void Shield Regen." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4481049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Ferrus can repair his own ride ;) he's that much of a BAMF. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4481054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Ferrus can repair his own ride he's that much of a BAMF. But what about when he's too busy Kneecapping knights? Gotta put those Intern Techmarines to use yo! Sentinel Guy, Iron Hands Fanatic and Memento Of Prospero 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4481055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Ah I thought you meant in like a "normal" sized game :P Memento Of Prospero 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4481285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Playing heresy under 5k points is for plebs! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4481293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Or people who can't afford that much stuff...... Plaguecaster 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4481302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Or have the time. I like 2500-3000 points with limited LOW involvement. It feels like old school 40K with enough to get plenty of fun toys in there. Plaguecaster and Lord Asvaldir 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/59/#findComment-4481935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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