Heresy Era Death Guard & Mechanicum Small update + fix

[Star Phantom]

Wow these are absolutely stunning and I love the gritty, damaged and battle worn effect that you have achieved on the marines and it really suits the legion too.

[Packe]

Hi Again!

 

Sorry for the extreme hold up, had some problem with my living situation so I had to move out ...

But I'm back!

 

But I thought I'd give my troops some rest (I really needed to paint some armour) so I started with my Sicaran.

 

And what's the first thing I do? I ruin 6 hrs of work ... I wanted to try some Chipping effects and for some reason the chipping fluid reacted with the basecoat 3 layers down so all my work just got messed up. And after another 6 hrs of toothbrush cleaning it looked like this.

 

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5294_zpsed4abffb.jpg

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5297_zps549a0239.jpg

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5298_zpsb269bd5b.jpg

 

 

So I was rather devestated, but shame on those who give up!

 

 

So after some new layers of paint it looks like this.

 

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5308_zps26a35fbf.jpg

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5310_zps85d1fc21.jpg

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5307_zpsa35494d7.jpg

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5312_zps3ed44e1b.jpg

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5313_zps71be93b9.jpg

 

 

Note that this is just the basecoat for my chipping and the barrels are not glued in, just bluetacked so thats why the are not on the same level.

 

So to do is:

 

Add chipping fluid

Add White

Chip the paint and do not ruin the paint again.

 

 

 

PS: Thanks for all the kind words

 

 

It's good to be back, and cheers.

 

Edited February 28, 2014 by Packe

[The_Chaplain]

Sorry to hear about the unfortunate chip paint incident, hope it all gets sorted out in the end.

[infyrana]

I see DG and a Sicaran... can't wait to see this one painted up (no doubt you will complete it before I paint mine in DG colours!).

 

Sorry to hear about the mishap, but you're recovering well, good luck with the rest of the work :)

[Packe]

I think I manage to pull through, but I am still not 100% happy with the finnish, I think it's the combo of the AK Heavy Chipping Fluid and the Vallejo Air colors, but I am not sure. Or it could be that I have a way to thick layer, but they said to have much ...

 

But, update!

 

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5318_zps8cb895f8.jpg

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5319_zpsc5e160b2.jpg

 

The bottom here got a little bit to much I think :(

 

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5320_zps72bf19a5.jpg

 

Rear, which I think came out rater good. Why out of all places ...

 

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5321_zps912749be.jpg

 

 

Close up on the front with some of the "first try paint" showing through.

 

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5322_zps73c48ddb.jpg

 

 

And last a "complete" look, got to love magnets. :D

 

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5324_zps03fa76e5.jpg

 

 

 

PS: I didn't see your answer infyrana, neither can I, hehe.

 

But you might be able to help me with a problem, how do you think I should do the DG green "squares/stripes" sides only? Or should I skip it?

Edited March 1, 2014 by Packe

[chaplain mortis]

Hey packe

 

Firstly cracking job on the death guard infantry! Suitably weathered and grimy, big thumbs up.

Nice work on the sicaran, was this your first try with the chipping fluid?

If I could offer some suggestions or tips...

 

Firstly with your airbrushed basecoats, try spraying some burnt sienna in random patches, some fine sprays in some places followed by some heavy patches in other places..over some of these patches try spraying some dark brown..this should give you more of a weatbered effect after the chipping, basically showing age and rust to some areas over others..

 

Secondly, for a great effect you need the light chipping fluid aswell as the heavy, keep the heavy fluid more to the bottom of the tank, kinda lascannon level down and the lighter fluid above lascannon line, this should simulate more heavy wear to the parts of the tank lower to the ground..

 

I see the toothbrush there, mix it up by also using a "kids" toothbrush and toothpicks, this gives u a more random range of effects

 

Lastly, when u are using water to wet the tank are you wetting the whole model I one go or just wetting small areas you are working on? I only ask as the longer the water stays on, the more paint will come off

 

If you know all this then please ignore haha, but hope it helps if not

Nice to see people using new methods

Keep up the good work

[Packe]

Thank you for the advice Mortis. And I am happy you like my DG, on them it's just the sponge technique xD

 

I know most of it, I don't have any burnt umber or similar so I just made a mix of some Dark Vallejo Red and Black.

 

I only use airbrush. I tried to put the "rust" only where the paint wouldn't be rescratched so often.

 

I only have the heavy at the moment, but I think I will get the light soon.

 

I used a toothbrush and a scalpel instead of a toothstick since I don't have any. I tried some other normal brushes but they weren't removing any paint :/

 

I only lightly apply water on the areas I want to weather.

 

I still feel that somehow the paint doesn't like each other, I waited 18h before applying the chipping fluid, but still it took some basecoat with it.

 

Since its my first time using the fluid I don't know how it should be. But I feel that the fluid is almost like a peel away face mask or masking fluid, because when I tried it with hairspray it chipped away, not peel like it does now. What do you think is the cause?

 

I hope I'm not rambling on to much, hehe.

[chaplain mortis]

Hey again packe!

 

Again mate, lovely deathguard and to be honest the tank is looking great so far despite your setbacks, sure its gonna look superb with the rest of the weathering you will apply..

 

As you have the basics down, will try and help solve some of the issues your having..

 

Couple of things I can think of that is causing the basecoat to come away..

 

Firstly the basecoat might not be sticking to the resin properly, sometimes it doesnt matter how much you clean the resin, with an abrasive technique such as this, it is just chipping straight of the resin, if you dont already...before airbrushing your first basecoat,, airbrush a layer of satin varnish on to seal the mini and provide a firm base to apply your layers..

 

Secondly, I take it your airbrushing the fluid on? You might be applying to heavy a coat, usually it doesnt go all "gummy" rather it doesnt usually notice on the model at all..

 

Last thing I can think of is that your just being a bit to hard with the removal..maybe try using slightly higher temperature water and less pressure, I recommended a childs toothbrush as the bristles are still tough but not as much as adult ones..

 

Again though, as with all techniques, you will find your own way to do it;-).. maybe try some different ways of doing this on a sheet of plasticard and find what works best

 

Gonna keep my eye on this thread as Im really impressed with your work so far!

 

Keep on posting as cant wait to see more..

[Packe]

Thank you for your kind words, I think it will turn out alright. Should be able to get som work done today.

 

 

I tried the varnish on the first go, and we saw how that went. xD

 

Yes I am and I think that is the problem it's the only logical reason I can think of, so I will try to make it thinner on the next run.

 

I use a rather soft brush so I think it's alright. :)

 

And thanks again for the help. :)

[Packe]

Quick update since I need your help.

 

What do you guys think? Should I have a black or a copper/redgold/bronze ish muzzle break on the cannons? The copper will be more muted and washed so it wont be as shiny as it is now, of course. If I go with copper I will pain the white parts of the ammo container copper too, I think.

 

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5328_zps4c3e6464.jpg

[Packe]

I went with black, since it did'nt stand out sooo much.

 

I also added the Green stripes and some transfer. I am quite happy with them :) I also painted the tracks brown, I just need to figure out how to make them all muddy and dirty.

 

 

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5329_zpsc2bb45c2.jpg

 

 

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5330_zpsfa4e1040.jpg

 

 

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5331_zps53e60696.jpg

 

 

Some close ups, as you can see I slipped a little bit with the brown airbrush. Also on the close ups you can see how the chipping fluid came of, like a rubber ask ...

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5335_zpse83a975b.jpg

 

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5336_zps4f13b81d.jpg

 

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5337_zps1f2804f6.jpg

 

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5338_zpsdf22918b.jpg

 

 

 

But I do think that the chipping fluid came out like it did because I had a to thick layer, because on the green parts it was a lot better.

 

Now time to wash!

[daemonclaw]

those death guard look great i especially like the way the back of the shoulderpads are all dark and sooty where the vents are gorging out exhaust fumes

[chaplain mortis]

Hey packe

 

The sicaran is looking super sweet, good choice with the black barrels! Will u be using some mettalic powders on the ends of those barrels?

 

Impressed that you continued the wear and tear to the transfers aswell, an often overlooked part of weathering.

 

Quick and cheap way of adding mud to the tracks would be to use the games workshop texture paint on them, failing that you could make your own mud using pigments, plaster, static grass and water..

 

Big thumbs up so far mate

[MordentHex]

Mud? Paint plus baking soda powder., failing that, dirt from your front/back yard and some paint

Followed! Great job!

Edited March 2, 2014 by MordentHex

[Packe]

@ daemonclaw. Well it only seemed logical to have them dirty, I mean it's Death Guard, and it's an exhaust vet :P

 

@ Mortis. What is this metallic powder you're talking about? I was just thinking about using some soot pigments and darkening them, maybe some dust pigments too.

 

Well, you don't paint them on once the tank is used right? ;) But thanks for the compliment, I try not to miss anything.

 

When I asked about the mud, it was more on how I should apply it in what patterns to make it realistic, how much etc.

 

@ MordentHex. Look at the sentence above :)
 

And thanks for all the kind words. :D

[chaplain mortis]

Have you seen the mettallic pigments from places like forgeworld, ak interactive and secret weapon minis, great for rubbing into the end of gun barrels and on tank treads..have a look. .

 

As for the mud placement, seeing as you have an airbrush. .mix up your mud as normal and scoop some up on a spatula, spray just "air" at a low pressure through your airbrush at the mud mixture. ..should give you some really realistic splatters...if you go heavier at the front of the tank and lighter as you work backwards, vary the amount of mud on the spatula and the angle of spray. (This also works well for blood splatters)

 

For higher up the tracks, mix pigments with water and just wash it into and on the tracks..when dry rub some of the mettallic powder onto the highest points with your finger.

 

Hope it helps

[Packe]

Aaah, now I know what you are talking about, since I'm "old school" I use a grafitestick instead, works just as good :) (Well almost)

 

I thought about that, but imageined that it would not be muddy enough, but I will give it a try. 

I'm almost done with the washes, will bring an update later today.

[Packe]

Quick final update.

 

I think that all the washes are done, or what do you guys think?

 

I am not 100% happy, but I can't really fix it more, but I learned alot for next time.

 

 

So, all that is left is.

Mud

Tracks
Pigments

Smal Details(?)

Varnish

 

 

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5343_zps7fee8868.jpg

 

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5342_zpsf4c97cf8.jpg

 

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/packe93/Death%20Guard/IMG_5341_zps55a44c7e.jpg

 

 

Hope you enjoy it, and C&C is more than welcome definitely at this stage. I know the lightning is not 100%, but it's to dark for better here.

[Zhoolda]

This weathering is just out of this world! WOW!

[Packe]

Why thank you Zhoolda! :D

 

But I think I could have done a better jobb by focusing more on the chipped parts and not the whole model, but oh well.

[SteelPaladin]

That tank is coming along nicely. That weathering is just insane!

 

I second the airbrush mud method. Just use plain air to fling splotches of mud along the armor above the tracks. That method looks much more realistic.

[Packe]

I'm happy someone likes it. :)

 

I will go for that one then, but I'm going to try on a piece of cardboard first, so we don't get another chipping fluid accident. xD

[henriklundback]

Nice painting packe!

 

 

en karlstad pöjk som målar death guard, kan inte bli mycke bättre ;)

[Packe]

Tackar :)

 

And I suppose I have to fight you then? ;)

[henriklundback]

Brother fighting brother isn't that a shame, cant we find some one elses brother to fight? ;)

 

Hopefully my own death guard thread will be up and running within days, maybe to night already :D