Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted December 11, 2013 Author Share Posted December 11, 2013 as much as this is interesting, can we get back to the topic of the thread please? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3543867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiad Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 There are sections of Codexes written from a Narative point of voice in universes. Most isn't. It's Real World information for us players. Nopes. Everything with the 40K logo on it follows the same rules of what's true and what's not. So what do you gauge the truth to be on the matter of the Grey Knight's geneseed then A D-B? Can we state with good certainty that it is sampled from the Emperor (on the same level we commonly consider the geneseed of the first founding legions to be sampled from their respective primarchs) or is the truth more 'blurred' by comparison? :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 There are sections of Codexes written from a Narative point of voice in universes. Most isn't. It's Real World information for us players. Nopes. Everything with the 40K logo on it follows the same rules of what's true and what's not. So what do you gauge the truth to be on the matter of the Grey Knight's geneseed then A D-B? Can we state with good certainty that it is sampled from the Emperor (t least on level as we commonly consider the geneseed of the first founding Legions was sampled from their respective primarchs) or is the truth more 'blurred' than what we have been told? Taking a shot in the dark, but it probably is along the lines of "Wouldn't you like to know". Either that or http://michellebeard.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/spoilers.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Or you will get pulled into your computer like in tron and be at the mercy of the ADB... I mean MCP. :D Pretty sure though he won't speculate deny or confirm this. Or else the ordo malleus will classify him as a traitor consorting with Deamons and heretics. And then no more masterpieces By ADB Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Arik Taranis. Arik Taranis. Arik Taranis. Arik Taranis. Arik Taranis. Arik Taranis. If I say it enough times, it'll come true, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 If it's not the Emperor, then there was no Horus Heresy... (This doesn't mean that GW can't retcon this as any time of course...) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Arik Taranis. Arik Taranis. Arik Taranis. Arik Taranis. Arik Taranis. Arik Taranis. If I say it enough times, it'll come true, right? Let's take a vote All in favour I!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted December 11, 2013 Author Share Posted December 11, 2013 i dont know i feel like it would be more like "gah random MIU stabs into your head" *at GW's mercy* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Well, they have a bloody Thunder Warrior figure out how to craft basement made gene-seed at the end of The Outcast Dead. What the hell else is BL going to use it for? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Well, they have a bloody Thunder Warrior figure out how to craft basement made gene-seed at the end of The Outcast Dead. What the hell else is BL going to use it for? The creating author is Graham McNeil. Are you sure you want to find out after the whole "Honsou had a greater destiny" plotline? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Well, they have a bloody Thunder Warrior figure out how to craft basement made gene-seed at the end of The Outcast Dead. What the hell else is BL going to use it for? The creating author is Graham McNeil. Are you sure you want to find out after the whole "Honsou had a greater destiny" plotline? Getting your butt kicked at Calth by the Ultramarines isn't the glorious epitome of a Chaos Space Marine's existence? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 *Chokes on his own vomit* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Well, they have a bloody Thunder Warrior figure out how to craft basement made gene-seed at the end of The Outcast Dead. What the hell else is BL going to use it for? The creating author is Graham McNeil. Are you sure you want to find out after the whole "Honsou had a greater destiny" plotline? Getting your butt kicked at Calth by the Ultramarines isn't the glorious epitome of a Chaos Space Marine's existence? They've been listening to Failbaddon too much and the lines between victory and loss has been blurred. Honsou just wanted to be an Ultramarine like the Word Bearers but then those pesky ultras killed them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted December 11, 2013 Author Share Posted December 11, 2013 *Chokes on his own vomit* well thats just a lovely image. thanks 1000 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Welcome. I'm here all week. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aralon56 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I think it would awesome if it was a thunder warrior Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I actually think it would be cooler if the Grey Knight founding grand masters were not anyone from the original legions. If at the end of the Heresy, the Emperor or Malcador turned around and said to Garro, Loken, et al "You guys are great, and you've done your duty. But for the future now facing the Imperium, you are inadequate to the task because in the end you are only Legiones Astartes - with the same flaws as all your kind. Here are the first of a new breed of marines - created in secret as the Emperor's last gift to Mankind, they will takeover the watch you have started. Commander Janus - these servants of the Emperor have outlived their usefulness - please dispose of them." That would be a much more fitting grimdark ending than "then all the characters you liked survived and formed a super-cool secret super-spy club, with an invisible moon base and cool weapons and stuff. And they hung out and had cool adventures together forever." ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I don't think the Emperor and Malcador will be doing much talking at the end of the Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Aegnor, which is why the introduction of new fluff that you can replace a Marines Gene-seed. It was the only way to turh those existing surviviors into Emperor-lite super soldiers. As far as I can remember, never before now was it even thought possible to remove a Marines Gene-seed (without killing him), let alone replace it with new ones. Mutate existing Gene-seed, sure. But removal ment death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aralon56 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 How does the Emperor have geneseed if he wasn't created in a lab? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted December 12, 2013 Author Share Posted December 12, 2013 as long as you have genetics it can be made into geneseed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aralon56 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 r i c so will the emp have implanted a progenoid glande within himself? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 He created the Gene-seed used to make Marines. IIRC he took the original material from each Primach. Excpet for the GK, where he took the original material from himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted December 12, 2013 Author Share Posted December 12, 2013 um your forgetting the primarchs themselves. Emp -> Primarch sons -> astartes sort-of-sons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Too much of a difference between Primarch creation and Astartes creation. Astartes are normal humans augmented by vat-grown organs and modifications controlled and regulated by an organ that contains the genetic legacy of their Primarch. Primarchs were created from nothing, both body and soul, utilizing forbidden Warp science and the genetic tissue of a living not-God. It doesn't make sense that the Emperor could be utilized as a Primarch is for the cultivation and augmentation of a Marine army. The GK Codex is being taken too literally and out of context. It's not written as being absolute fact. If you read the whole section, it makes it rather clear that it is information barely recorded and mostly based off of what is believed to be true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284197-knights-errant-dark-angels-grey-knights-discussion/page/8/#findComment-3544807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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