Valerian Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 What do guys think this means for Assault Marines in general? Models won't tip over as often. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 What do guys think this means for Assault Marines in general? Models won't tip over as often. I literally lol'd. Well played. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Not to say that your point is without merit, but the counterargument is pretty obvious - dreadnoughts are much more mobile than tanks, with arms on articulated mounts, so it makes sense to give them a little more "play" with template weapons than a dude with a flamethrower has.I get that, but how does that equate to 12" more range. Also the TL heavy flamer dread should be just as agile, does he get torrent? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Not to say that your point is without merit, but the counterargument is pretty obvious - dreadnoughts are much more mobile than tanks, with arms on articulated mounts, so it makes sense to give them a little more "play" with template weapons than a dude with a flamethrower has.I get that, but how does that equate to 12" more range. Also the TL heavy flamer dread should be just as agile, does he get torrent? Good points. For my part, I think Torrent is both unwarranted and unneeded. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Also it's a well known fact that when you have a 2+ to wound you roll at least 33% ones. There are but three certain facts in life: death, taxes and what you just said there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Apparently Blood Talons are in the new White Dwarf. Strx2, AP2 , Melee, Shred, Specialist Weapon. No more bonus attacks after wound. Knew it was coming, but there it is. How very boring. All we need now is for them to confirm a nerf to the Frag Cannon and I'll lose any remaining interest in getting a second Furioso kit/campaign box. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I think it was to be expected. Even with the extra attacks I've been running fists exclusively as of late. They are just more useful over all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverson Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I guess because I didn't play in 5th edition I haven't seen the glory of the blood talons but I think the furioso is a bargain as is and giving the option for the blood talons being ap 2 as better than hat we currently have. Even the librarian dreadnought isant a million miles away from its points cost for magic level 2 especially if we gain the ability to jump it up the field again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Compared to Murderfang's Murderclaws (STR 7, AP2, Shred, Master Crafted, Specialist Weapon) the rumoured Blood Talon change looks better but I suppose it will depend on what special rules the Death Company Dreadnought has. Honestly, it pains me to say it but I'm more interested in ET:Khaine right now. (I have <2k Dark Elves and over 9k Blood Angels...) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Thats the thing though. If the price is higher, I am not going to take the blood talons since a str10 weapon is going to wound %99 of things on a 2+ anyway. And 1 in 6 chance of failing to wound is a risk I am willing to take instead of paying 10 points for an upgrade. Maybe I'd agree on a 4A character, but on a 2A dread, getting that one is so much worse, after you get your one hit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelus Mortifer Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Not to say that your point is without merit, but the counterargument is pretty obvious - dreadnoughts are much more mobile than tanks, with arms on articulated mounts, so it makes sense to give them a little more "play" with template weapons than a dude with a flamethrower has.I get that, but how does that equate to 12" more range. Also the TL heavy flamer dread should be just as agile, does he get torrent? Good points. For my part, I think Torrent is both unwarranted and unneeded. Still think the Flamestorm Baal should get Torrent, but that's just me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrunTeufel Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Flamestorm cannons not being torrent is extremely stupid. Especially on land raiders. You can't even fire both sponsons on the same target or if you do, you can cover maybe five or six models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelus Mortifer Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Flamestorm cannons not being torrent is extremely stupid. Especially on land raiders. You can't even fire both sponsons on the same target or if you do, you can cover maybe five or six models. PotMS goes a little way to mitigating that, so that you can at least hit two different targets, but it's not ideal and pretty situational. Equally, the Heavy Flamer sponsons on Baals are so counter-intuitive given how easy it is take out medium vehicles in this edition (and the last). 145pts is a big expense for a one-time attack, and they are pointless upgrade unless they do something to make taking them more worthwhile. One of the recent rumours was of a new "wheeled" (assume they meant tracked) vehicle for us Angels. It then went away but this week the rumour returned that one of the 3 kits with the release will be a vehicle of some sort. If true, one wonders what it could be... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebymster Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 "vehicle" doesn't really narrow it down very much does it?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phadeout Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I like my Land Raider Redeemer but I have to say for every game that it murderises a half dozen marines with one blast the next game it does nothing - with Torrent it would be almost too good some games with PotMS. You might only fire it once per game still but against an MEQ equivalent it'd have potential to decimate two full squads due to careful placement of the templates, on a good day you could clear c.400pts of marines out in the right conditions (admittedly your opponent would be to blame for that happening. If the BaalFlamerPred doesn't get Torrent though I'll be amazed, it is crying out for it and practically useless without. I'd still use HB sponsons on it either way though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelus Mortifer Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 "vehicle" doesn't really narrow it down very much does it?! Sadly no If the BaalFlamerPred doesn't get Torrent though I'll be amazed, it is crying out for it and practically useless without. I'd still use HB sponsons on it either way though. True enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebymster Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 If they give torrent to our LR's, they'll have to roll it out accross all chapters- surely too much hassle? If we ARE getting it, it'll be on Pred. That's my prediction! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrunTeufel Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Sure, thats what I think will happen if it ever happens. I still very much doubt it. Good things rarely happen these days when GW is concerned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaweda Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 That blood talons nerf makes me sad, even as expected as it was. How am I going to take out groups of 30 Termagaunts now?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Sure, thats what I think will happen if it ever happens. I still very much doubt it. Good things rarely happen these days when GW is concerned. What? Can you not see the awesome cheap boxed set, the incredible models etc etc ad nauseum? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 That blood talons nerf makes me sad, even as expected as it was. How am I going to take out groups of 30 Termagaunts now?! Kill them with fire. Has worked for me through 7 editions so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaweda Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I'd actually ordered 2 baal predators before this news. Feeling pleased with that decision. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 ... and this is why I hate this thread. We aren't going to get Torrent on our Flamestorm Cannons and I'm sorry but the idea of that is just ludicrous to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnightmare Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 EDIT - please disregard, I need to learn to read properly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaweda Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 With my specific opponents, whilst torrent is always useful, it wouldn't necessarily be needed for these tanks to fulfill the role I have for them. I'm excited to try it out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/61/#findComment-3872797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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