Subtle Discord Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Oh, be very careful of large masses and curing; I'm positive you're fine with what you're up to, but large masses of resin can generate so much heat that they will not only deform but can even ignite. If you to pour say, a 5cm slab, of enough size (yes, a huge massive block, really) it will produce a tremendous amount of heat at the core if it is quick curing. Nothing the average hobbyist needs to worry about, but still an interesting caution to note. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4167007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 @Altis - as soon as I get a chance I'll get cracking. My eldest is eight today so I've been a little preoccupied with party prep. Probably Friday will be casting day at the latest. @SD - I had a suspicion that would be the case but couldn't find any info on it. So thanks for the heads up. The local dump doesn't accept the un-cured/un-mixed resin waste (the stuff that's old and not curing correctly) so I will have to mix up a big lot. I'll just mix and pour it thin to avoid over heating and possible combustion. :/ It looks like family life is going to stop me from doing much casting until Friday. I'm hoping that come Friday having a much quicker curing resin will mean the bulk of the casting will be done and dusted for the first tile. If the weather holds inbetween pours we'll get spraying the stuff already cast up. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4167196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 Well the resin arrived earlier in the week and I can't wait to crack on with the casting.The weathers warm and currently just about right for spraying as well. So an early start would be ideal. Hmmm ... Currently trying to get my brother to get up and drag his arse back to mine so we can get on with the castin for his board. Cajoling him isn't working so a bacon and sausage barm is sat just outside his room. The smell is good and if he doesn't get up soon I'll have it. Well if he doesn't get up before I finish mine that is. ;) Nom nom nom. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4168952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 Well the bacon and sausage barm worked a treat, he dived out of bed just as I'd finished mine. ;) Managed to get 8 casting runs done in just over two hours. So 15 mins per casting run and we weren't really pushing it. I did notice that the resin were now using has some shrinkage issues especially when it starts to cure on a large flat area. This pulled the resin inwards and created hollow corners. Nothing to worry about on the finished side but something to consider. For the thin sheet pieces I'll definitely be using a different resin. It also has an extremely short pot life. If you mix it up and don't have everything ready it'll start curing before you sort things out. I also didn't realise how hazardous this stuff can be. Rather than the usual irritant label this one is a carcinogenic with warnings of organ failure with prolonged exposure. Protective apron was donned with gloves and mask. The beard went as well as masks don't protect if you've got stubble never mind a beard. :tu: I've uploaded a pic of the board as it now stands but need access to something other than my phone to get it posted. Link to the pic I'll post later: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/gallery/image/165702-image/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4169325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 Took a bit longer than planned to access the old laptop. Feeling really rough today not sure if it's connected to casting with the new resin or just the cold everyone seems to have at the moment? I generally go an extra step with the safety side of things as Asthma plus chemicals can end up being a trip to the hospital if not careful. The other resin I had been using was relatively low risk, this stuffs much more volatile in comparison. So keeping an eye on possible side effects is quite important. Here's the tile currently: Next bit up to sort out is the edging around the 200mm x 100mm recessed parts. Master should be done soon then I'll pour the mould along with a few others I've been working on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4170029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Had another casting session and we're just one tile short now. So it's time to look at painting this section of the board up properly. Going to try fitting in doing the last of the casting later on today. :d Edit: Scrub that there was a spare 10 mins before the school run. The last tile will be cured before I get home. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4192546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorOfMankind Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Where's the pics then? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4192802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Kids are finally in bed. Will set it out n take a pic. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4192885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 As annoying as it is a link will have to do for the pic (The wife sidetracked me with the Sherlock 3rd series so I didn't get to the laptop) ... http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/gallery/image/167717-image/ Not sure how many weeks ago the last lot of casting and spraying happened. But what seems to have happened to the last lot is the car spray paint never dried. It's still tacky which is wierd. It seems to come off with handling so I'm guessing a scrub with some form of detergent will work. Maybe it was a dodgy batch or the temp/humidity was out? Never had this before and the model I'm currently painting was sprayed with the same tin of spray. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4193019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorOfMankind Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Looking amazing mate! Maybe that batch of resin still had some mould release on, that's why it stayed tacky? Just a thought Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4193269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted October 10, 2015 Author Share Posted October 10, 2015 I've not been using mould release. It's got no undercuts and doesn't grab anywhere so not needed. I think the resin wasn't given enough time to fully cure. Normally I give them a day or so just to make sure there's no venting to react with anything. But my brother was being impatient so they got blasted within a few hours of popping out of the moulds. It probably didn't help it was very damp as I decided to rain within a few minutes of spraying so they had to come in quick. Though I can't see me stacking them while wet so I'm cirling back to the not fully cured idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4193310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted October 16, 2015 Author Share Posted October 16, 2015 Worked out what the issue was with the previous lots undercoat. It was a rather windy day so I had to bring the can much closer than usual and it's too thick a coating. Fixed by drying on a radiator and once dry to the touch sticking on the side to finish drying not stacked. The other tiles had an undercoat yesterday with exactly the same tin and they had none of the previous lots issues. My normal Friday hobby time with my brother hasn't happened this week. Just couldn't get him to get up and out. Heading home now after almost 5 hours at his place and he's still in bed. I even tried my usual trick of tidying up which normally he gets up to stop me. But this time he's just gone back to sleep and now his flats clean. The one major advantage to my brother not coming over is I get to have a go painting it first. I feel a bit evil for saying it but he would mess it up a bit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4198523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorOfMankind Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Looking forward to seeing the pics mate. Am off to warhammer world tomorrow if you want anything Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4198806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted October 17, 2015 Author Share Posted October 17, 2015 Cheers for the offer. I'm all good for parts at the moment. Saving up for the wallets impending doom aka plastic HH stuff. If you see any displays with internals of space ships/industrial set ups take lots of pics. Currently in need of some inspiration for the walls. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4199214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 Well all of a sudden things are coming together. Just used up all the supplies of superglue in the house so needing to pop out for more. The upper surface of the 2' x 2' tile is almost assembled. Just need to glue all the parts to the sheet material and then it'll sit nicely ontop of the foam layer. However until it's fixed in place it'll be removable so I can paint it. I get to try out my airbrush properly!!! I'll post some pics and a full update later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4204863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 Bought loads of super glue and then found the new stuff goes much further than the previous lot. So even blasting through these boards I should have plenty for a while. Here's where the board is upto now: Quite pleased with the finish we're getting now an extra layer is being used. The plan previously was to glue each tile individually to the foam. But having to wall in sections with foam board to do the recessed areas mean the surface wasn't fully level. I also found the foam didn't like the use of a hot glue gun to fix stuff down to it. So a sheet of the signage I got from work was used to glue the tiles to and holes cut to allow viewing of the recessed bits. This sits nicely on top of the everything and there's enough of a slight flex to it to allow it to be firmly fixed to the bottom with something like nomorenails. The only parts not finished are the brown squares which are going to be removable to allow pillars to be placed in to support wall sections. Need to look into magnets for this but that can come in later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4205209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share Posted October 24, 2015 Crumbs ... Just had another look at the tile this morning and can't believe it's finally coming together after a stupid number of months. Main delay has been only working on it with my brother, he's a bit hit and miss at the best of times so the number of man hours actually spent on it isn't too bad. Lol ... My mother has been saying what a waste of time/energy the project was as she couldn't picture the finished product. She's now changed her tune which is very unusual. :D I mentioned in the previous post about magnets. This is something I've meant to have a bash at for years but have procrastinated. Rather than worry about polarity I've seen people use metal on one surface and then magnets on the other parts. A bit like fridge magnets. So I'm considering gluing metal sheeting to the board under the brown tiles and then embedding magnets Into the removable tiles. Not sure if anyone has done this successfully? I'm not sure how big/strong the magnets would need to be to make this work or the best place to get them from? There's loads available online especially through ebay so it's just a case of getting the correct size and strength ones. Not sure if anyone knows of any good guides to suitable strengths/sizes to use in different applications? Next week it's going to be time to paint!!! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4205488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 The top of the tiles that make up the current board section have been painted. Just need to spray up the plastic grid that goes over the top of the recessed bits and work out what's going in the 16x 50mm square recesses. I'm thinking of removable granny grating currently though I could be swayed if anyone else comes up with a better idea. I've uploaded a pic of it's current state here: (If any mods would be kind enough to correct the link into a pic I would be grateful) Not sure if the board is going to go a little more 3D with some 200mm square structures which will slot into the recessed bits. I can see a landing pad sitting nicely on some legs if nothing else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4211870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Blank Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 It's neat watching this come together - I am impressed with the results and admire your patience. I mentioned in the previous post about magnets. This is something I've meant to have a bash at for years but have procrastinated. Rather than worry about polarity I've seen people use metal on one surface and then magnets on the other parts. A bit like fridge magnets. So I'm considering gluing metal sheeting to the board under the brown tiles and then embedding magnets Into the removable tiles. Not sure if anyone has done this successfully? I haven't done this on the scale you are talking about, but I have tried rare earth and cheap magnets for hobby applications. Using metal plus magnet is a good way to get a bond you can lift away easily when you want to, which is probably right for what you are working on. I am guessing you want to hold the modular parts in place while you're using them. Paper clips are a super cheap source of ferrous metal and washers from the hardware store may also be a good cheap option. If you are expecting it to hold much weight, you probably need to put magnets on both sides. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4212103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechanist Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Not sure you need the magnets. You have the recess to stop sliding about if the game table gets knocked, and the weight of the walls should stop the easily being knocked over in play. Most terrain is fine without magnets holding it to the table with the occasional tree that get knocked down. Depends on the wall design but I think you should be fine. If you use granny grating just knock up a frame for it to hold flat or you could end up with it curling up at the edges with use. Gratz on getting this far and keep the updates coming. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4212188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 Cheers for the feedback and words of encouragement. I'm now thinking a decent sized washer glued to the bottom of the inserts will be enough weight wise to hold it in place without worrying about magnets. If I find I need them I can easily drill a small hole into the board and glue in a magnet later. A scrap of thin plasticard could cover it to avoid it pulling out easily. Didn't know about the curling of the granny grating. Willl glue it down to a square of plasticard to keep it stiff. Now I've got one under my belt I think I'll be able to crack on a bit quicker with the next lot. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4212246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 An afternoon of casting has meant my brothers current batch of resin has almost been used up. I'll do a final push and cast up what I can with what's left probably this evening. Then concentrate on using up the rubber I have to make some new molds for other projects. Now as this is probably going to be the board I game on most I'll need some matching bases. Shouldn't be too hard as I'm now leaning towards having fairly basic bases with a textured top and then adding extra details afterwards, rather than having multiples of the same bases. So a few each of the 25mm, 32mm and 40mm. Then one each of the 60mm, bike and oval bases will be knocked up with the same texture. I'll then do additional moulds with boxes, crates, lights, cables and other random bits that take my fancy. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4217988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 Here's where I ended up before running out of resin ... Need to concentrate on using my own resin supplies up and all this rubber I seem to have. Priority is minimise wastage. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4218892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 The next lot of resin is getting ordered in the new year so not much has been happening on the boards of late. However we've decided to change up 4 of the board sections to allow usage for AoS as well as 40k. So the plan is to have an ash/rocky board section. And I'll build it up to just below the level where the tiles sit on the other boards. I'll then build some interlocking wall sections which will sit ontop of the ash boards and be at the same level as the original boards. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4250831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 My brother came over for a few hours yesterday and we got the edging for the next couple of board cut. It's the only part of the process that is not really a one man job. We've moved from 3mm signage board to 5mm which is easier to glue down. Should have the 4 plainer boards done within the next couple of weeks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289269-sw1s-scenery-project-buildings-on-the-way/page/12/#findComment-4256325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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