[HH1.0] Raven Guard Tactics

[Nusquam]

For me it's not prefaced with the normal "you may choose"/"your choice of" etc and then when you follow the line you reach the the "gain" part, and immediately gain the rule with no choice in the matter at that exact moment, then move on to the "or" part. When a unit/model gains a rule you don't have a choice to ignore it unless specified.

Edited April 26, 2016 by Nusquam

[Gyem]

The RAW let you pick a USR even if you have a legion with LA rules. I'm not a native English speaker but I can't find anything hinting the other way.

 

RAI, this is like the legion without rules where you choose a USR for your army. Once you get rules, can you go back? Not that I know.

But given the fact that you don't have to pick the same USR that your army, my RAI interpretation was maybe off.

 

Edit : "selected" kinda imply a choice, no?

Edited April 26, 2016 by Gyem

[temneb]

I don't see any issue w

For me it's not prefaced with the normal "you may choose"/"your choice of" etc and then when you follow the line you reach the the "gain" part, and immediately gain the rule with no choice in the matter at that exact moment, then move on to the "or" part. When a unit/model gains a rule you don't have a choice to ignore it unless specified.

Sorry I'm just not following your logic.

 

The "or" in that sentance gives you that specification. The issue is your reading the first part of the sentance as if it's a whole sentance. If I was to offer you $100 or $1000, you are not restricted to only taking the $100, because I didn't preface the sentance with "you may choose/or your choice of". The "or" in the sentance literally means, you have the choice of the fist or the second of the offered products, items, rules, etc. There is no need to add other words, because that is what it means.

[Terminus]

There is no logic to follow, the rules as written are crystal clear.  If we want to discuss RAW vs RAI, that's an entirely different manner, except in this case there is no language ambiguity to seize on for the RAI side of the argument, so it would have to be complete conjecture.

 

The unlisted legion rule, which it seems is what people are referring to, is written entirely different:

 

"If you are using this army list to represent a Legion which does not yet have its own unique Legiones Astartes rule, you may instead add either the Stubborn or Furious Charge special rule to the standard provisions of this rule in the interim."

Edited April 26, 2016 by Terminus

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

Terminus, just a quick FYI for you: Nusquam can't edit or hide posts here because he's not a moderator of the AoD forum. If a post is edited or removed, it was me, Flint, or Slipstreams.

[Terminus]

After three posts removed, I've dropped the matter as you can see from the previous post.

[pompeyladbfp]

Well... Anyway...

 

Tactics?

 

With an all infiltrating force, how good is a lev dread in pod?

[temneb]

Id say, it's pretty darn good in any list.

[pompeyladbfp]

Grav, drill and chem? Seems pretty mean..

[temneb]

I like the new melta thing. Str 9 ap1

[pompeyladbfp]

I suppose it is 4 meltas on landing.. Good chance 3 are within half range

[temneb]

I like it because of the base 9 Str. If someone forgets to take AC all the better!

 

What does the Grav bombard do again?

Edited April 28, 2016 by temneb

[SkimaskMohawk]

Large blast, str test on 2d6 added together, ap 2, difficult and dangerous until next turn. It absolutely eats through artillery and anything not in cover

[Gyem]

Large blast, str test on 2d6 added together, ap 2, difficult and dangerous until next turn. It absolutely eats through artillery and anything not in cover

Doesn't the grav bombard have ignore cover? (HH6)

[Slips]

It does.

[SkimaskMohawk]

Holy christ, I never even saw that. 

[Slips]

Instagib Rapier Batteries? Yup. Not even Cover Saves can save you.

Edited April 28, 2016 by Slipstreams

[Lord Asvaldir]

One of my prime reasons for nearly always taking a leviathan in a pod these days, facing too many 3 gun medusa batteries guarded by 24 crew in milita&cults lists, or phosphex rapier battieres in marine lists and a leviathan with bombard/phosphex just nopes that off the board. 

[pompeyladbfp]

How come it kills artillery so easy, am I missing something.. Is it auto death if they have to do a str test or something?

[SkimaskMohawk]

Anything with a - or 0 for a characteristic auto fails any test for that characteristic.

[Terminus]

If course, since the artillery pieces have 2 wounds, it won't actually remove any of them, and you would have to kill all of the crew to silence the unit. That's hard to do with a single 5" template. Phosphex discharger can help, but it needs 6s to wound.

[Slips]

If course, since the artillery pieces have 2 wounds, it won't actually remove any of them, and you would have to kill all of the crew to silence the unit. That's hard to do with a single 5" template. Phosphex discharger can help, but it needs 6s to wound.

Poisoned 3+ on Phosphex thinks otherwise.

[Terminus]

Totally forgot that you can poison a gun, right you are. :D

[Slips]

Its why phosphex is so magical @_@

 

"Oh! S5 Ap2? Well at least my Rapiers/MechBots are T7!"

 

"HOLD UP THERE COWBOY! POISONED 3+!"

 

*Darth Vader Noooo Clip*

[Terminus]

Well, at least against the Automata you have to re-roll successful ones.