HH Weekender News/Leaks

[Marshal Rohr]

 

 

So the Atramentar are getting a showing then, albeit long after we've lived and died?

 

Have pity on the poor dude who asked if the juicy bits of the Scouring were going to be covered (Iron Cage, The Fall of Caliban etc etc) and got told......eventually. Which didn't work out too well considering he was 50 or so.

 

Now, Templar spoilers. I'll just go over the various segments in broad detail, I won't delve too deeply into the minutiae since people have started complaining that things have been misinterpreted. Anyway...read at your own risk

 

 

 

 

Part 1 - Sigismund has been called to fight an honour duel against a champion of the White Scars, revealed to be Jubal Khan. Khan gains something of an upper hand but eventually Sigismund lands 3 blows in the blink of an eye and leaves him hobbled (he breaks his arm and leaves serious damage on his gorget) at which point Khan admits he won't beat him, and he won't ever beat him - the backdrop to this is the contrast between the characters: Sigismund cold and focused, Khan wild but skilled.

 

Part 2 - Sigismund has a conversation with Alejos of the Dark Angels at the prospect of them being called to serve as champions in an honour duel since Dorn and the Lion have a "disagreement" It's noted that several of the Primarchs seem to have these little spats with Dorn because his nature grates them too much.Throughout the conversation Alejos pushes Sigismund into admitting that his first and only devotion is to his duty and he's slightly sad that's the case if they come to draw blades against each other.

 

Part 3 -Sigismund is fighting in the pits of the Eaters against Khârn. He beats Khârn fairly easily before they go at it a second time. Khârn puts forth a lot more aggression this time around and bloods Sigismund (headbutting him, since "it worked for the b******* Sevatar") before he get's his strike reversed and ends with Sigismund having his blade to his neck. Khârn acknowledges Sigismund's superiority in the pits yet also notes that there is a marked difference between pit fighting and a battlefield (take that everyone who argued the toss in the abby/siggy thread) and wonders what could push Sigismund further, namely how he would react if the pillars around which he has built his discipline and devotion to duty around were taken away. Khârn ends by saying if that were to happen he would hate to have to fight Sigismund, because he would genuinely be trying to kill him. There's no mention of how he thinks such a fight would end)

 

Part 4 - The action here is inter-cut throughout the other 3 but I'll include it en masse for consistency's sake. As per Dorn's order in the Crimson Fist to purge any remnants of traitors in the Sol system, the fists travel to kill Word Bearers guarding a tomb comet that's a monument to those who fought during unity ( the WBs were it's assigned guardians) an agent of the Sigilitte is sent to shadow the mission and she questions Sigismund if he's ever killed a fellow Astartes - he admits he hasn't. Faffnir Rann is present and is shown to be mighty handy in a fight, judging the banter between Rann and Sigismund, it appears Rann is actually older and may even have taught Sigismund at some point. They easily slaughter the first group of Word Bearers before finding the second lot who sacrifice themselves to give birth to daemons who prove a lot more troublesome. Finally Sigismund faces off with the leader who has what I can only call a smoke-weapon - it continuously changes it's forms between swords/axes/spears/maces etc. The leader reveals that it was Sigismund's destiny to be killed at Phall before taunting him that Keeler lied to him about his fate, that he himself is a lie given how he essentially bottled going to his death at Phall and returned to Terra. He gets seriously wounded by the smoke-blade in the form of a mace (possibly the origins of the Black Mace given it's effect on him) before finally killing him entertainingly (turns out those power packs for power armour are a tad volatile) . The Sigilite's agent then tells him that he's now a kinslayer but his oath of moment is complete. Sigismund's closing thought is of how his oath to kill traitors can never be complete and a possible hardening of his belief of the Eternal Crusade

 

 

 

 

You, sir, can have a drink on me if I ever cross the pond!

[Balthamal]

Really? I asked at the Open Day and was told that only the Characters from the books would get a model in the Character Series (think that's where it's name is derived from) although it wasn't ruled out that event exclusive models might be used for one or two. 

 

I think what it boils down to though are those who get models are central throughout the novels whilst others, eg Crysos Mortug, Autek Mor, Exodus have been created by FW mostly as plot devices but also as a character without the whole background to live up to from the books. 

[Marshal Rohr]

'No Specific plans' sounds like, 'if we can find the time'. 

[Barabbas Sogalon]

I'm just hoping they one day release a Garro model.

[DIDM]

 

 

So the Atramentar are getting a showing then, albeit long after we've lived and died?

 

Have pity on the poor dude who asked if the juicy bits of the Scouring were going to be covered (Iron Cage, The Fall of Caliban etc etc) and got told......eventually. Which didn't work out too well considering he was 50 or so.

 

Now, Templar spoilers. I'll just go over the various segments in broad detail, I won't delve too deeply into the minutiae since people have started complaining that things have been misinterpreted. Anyway...read at your own risk

 

 

 

 

Part 1 - Sigismund has been called to fight an honour duel against a champion of the White Scars, revealed to be Jubal Khan. Khan gains something of an upper hand but eventually Sigismund lands 3 blows in the blink of an eye and leaves him hobbled (he breaks his arm and leaves serious damage on his gorget) at which point Khan admits he won't beat him, and he won't ever beat him - the backdrop to this is the contrast between the characters: Sigismund cold and focused, Khan wild but skilled.

 

Part 2 - Sigismund has a conversation with Alejos of the Dark Angels at the prospect of them being called to serve as champions in an honour duel since Dorn and the Lion have a "disagreement" It's noted that several of the Primarchs seem to have these little spats with Dorn because his nature grates them too much.Throughout the conversation Alejos pushes Sigismund into admitting that his first and only devotion is to his duty and he's slightly sad that's the case if they come to draw blades against each other.

 

Part 3 -Sigismund is fighting in the pits of the Eaters against Khârn. He beats Khârn fairly easily before they go at it a second time. Khârn puts forth a lot more aggression this time around and bloods Sigismund (headbutting him, since "it worked for the b******* Sevatar") before he get's his strike reversed and ends with Sigismund having his blade to his neck. Khârn acknowledges Sigismund's superiority in the pits yet also notes that there is a marked difference between pit fighting and a battlefield (take that everyone who argued the toss in the abby/siggy thread) and wonders what could push Sigismund further, namely how he would react if the pillars around which he has built his discipline and devotion to duty around were taken away. Khârn ends by saying if that were to happen he would hate to have to fight Sigismund, because he would genuinely be trying to kill him. There's no mention of how he thinks such a fight would end)

 

Part 4 - The action here is inter-cut throughout the other 3 but I'll include it en masse for consistency's sake. As per Dorn's order in the Crimson Fist to purge any remnants of traitors in the Sol system, the fists travel to kill Word Bearers guarding a tomb comet that's a monument to those who fought during unity ( the WBs were it's assigned guardians) an agent of the Sigilitte is sent to shadow the mission and she questions Sigismund if he's ever killed a fellow Astartes - he admits he hasn't. Faffnir Rann is present and is shown to be mighty handy in a fight, judging the banter between Rann and Sigismund, it appears Rann is actually older and may even have taught Sigismund at some point. They easily slaughter the first group of Word Bearers before finding the second lot who sacrifice themselves to give birth to daemons who prove a lot more troublesome. Finally Sigismund faces off with the leader who has what I can only call a smoke-weapon - it continuously changes it's forms between swords/axes/spears/maces etc. The leader reveals that it was Sigismund's destiny to be killed at Phall before taunting him that Keeler lied to him about his fate, that he himself is a lie given how he essentially bottled going to his death at Phall and returned to Terra. He gets seriously wounded by the smoke-blade in the form of a mace (possibly the origins of the Black Mace given it's effect on him) before finally killing him entertainingly (turns out those power packs for power armour are a tad volatile) . The Sigilite's agent then tells him that he's now a kinslayer but his oath of moment is complete. Sigismund's closing thought is of how his oath to kill traitors can never be complete and a possible hardening of his belief of the Eternal Crusade

 

 

 

is this part of a book or ????

 

I can't seem to find Templar

[Balthamal]

'No Specific plans' sounds like, 'if we can find the time'. 

 

Given that Conquest proves that the series isn't going to be confined to trilogies but with whatever cool ideas they have and a desire to follow them through, it's unliley they'll have much time for back burner projects like that. Never say never but I'd mark it as extremely unlikely. Calth is booked marked as next because it presents a natural evolution from the Solar Auxillia stuff and allows for the expansion of the Mechanicum range/list as well as the Legion specific stuff. Since that's 2 books worth it's going to be Calth/Shadow Crusade

 

Had a quick chat about Prospero being benched and it basically boils down to the 4 principle armies in there - Wolves, Thousand Sons, Custodes, Sisters of Silence being so far away from everything that's currently floating around that serious amounts of time need to be poured into them all for the concepts/test sculpts/play testing that plenty of other stuff could be done in the meantime. 

 

Primarch wise- Curze will be next that's almost a certainty, Mr Egan wants him but it might fall to Edgar. It's pretty much a case of Massacre being wrapped up before Extermination hits it's straps with the model releases

 

 

 

 

So the Atramentar are getting a showing then, albeit long after we've lived and died?

 

Have pity on the poor dude who asked if the juicy bits of the Scouring were going to be covered (Iron Cage, The Fall of Caliban etc etc) and got told......eventually. Which didn't work out too well considering he was 50 or so.

 

Now, Templar spoilers. I'll just go over the various segments in broad detail, I won't delve too deeply into the minutiae since people have started complaining that things have been misinterpreted. Anyway...read at your own risk

 

 

 

 

Part 1 - Sigismund has been called to fight an honour duel against a champion of the White Scars, revealed to be Jubal Khan. Khan gains something of an upper hand but eventually Sigismund lands 3 blows in the blink of an eye and leaves him hobbled (he breaks his arm and leaves serious damage on his gorget) at which point Khan admits he won't beat him, and he won't ever beat him - the backdrop to this is the contrast between the characters: Sigismund cold and focused, Khan wild but skilled.

 

Part 2 - Sigismund has a conversation with Alejos of the Dark Angels at the prospect of them being called to serve as champions in an honour duel since Dorn and the Lion have a "disagreement" It's noted that several of the Primarchs seem to have these little spats with Dorn because his nature grates them too much.Throughout the conversation Alejos pushes Sigismund into admitting that his first and only devotion is to his duty and he's slightly sad that's the case if they come to draw blades against each other.

 

Part 3 -Sigismund is fighting in the pits of the Eaters against Khârn. He beats Khârn fairly easily before they go at it a second time. Khârn puts forth a lot more aggression this time around and bloods Sigismund (headbutting him, since "it worked for the b******* Sevatar") before he get's his strike reversed and ends with Sigismund having his blade to his neck. Khârn acknowledges Sigismund's superiority in the pits yet also notes that there is a marked difference between pit fighting and a battlefield (take that everyone who argued the toss in the abby/siggy thread) and wonders what could push Sigismund further, namely how he would react if the pillars around which he has built his discipline and devotion to duty around were taken away. Khârn ends by saying if that were to happen he would hate to have to fight Sigismund, because he would genuinely be trying to kill him. There's no mention of how he thinks such a fight would end)

 

Part 4 - The action here is inter-cut throughout the other 3 but I'll include it en masse for consistency's sake. As per Dorn's order in the Crimson Fist to purge any remnants of traitors in the Sol system, the fists travel to kill Word Bearers guarding a tomb comet that's a monument to those who fought during unity ( the WBs were it's assigned guardians) an agent of the Sigilitte is sent to shadow the mission and she questions Sigismund if he's ever killed a fellow Astartes - he admits he hasn't. Faffnir Rann is present and is shown to be mighty handy in a fight, judging the banter between Rann and Sigismund, it appears Rann is actually older and may even have taught Sigismund at some point. They easily slaughter the first group of Word Bearers before finding the second lot who sacrifice themselves to give birth to daemons who prove a lot more troublesome. Finally Sigismund faces off with the leader who has what I can only call a smoke-weapon - it continuously changes it's forms between swords/axes/spears/maces etc. The leader reveals that it was Sigismund's destiny to be killed at Phall before taunting him that Keeler lied to him about his fate, that he himself is a lie given how he essentially bottled going to his death at Phall and returned to Terra. He gets seriously wounded by the smoke-blade in the form of a mace (possibly the origins of the Black Mace given it's effect on him) before finally killing him entertainingly (turns out those power packs for power armour are a tad volatile) . The Sigilite's agent then tells him that he's now a kinslayer but his oath of moment is complete. Sigismund's closing thought is of how his oath to kill traitors can never be complete and a possible hardening of his belief of the Eternal Crusade

 

 

 

is this part of a book or ????

 

I can't seem to find Templar

It's an audio drama that was released at the weekender, won't be out for another 6 months and I have the (dubious) distinction of being the 1st person to ever buy it. Even better got it signed by John French

[Custodian Athiair]

I must say I too am underwhelmed by the paint scheme of Vulkan, I sort of hoped for a slightly darker shade of green than that vibrant green displayed.

 

But Gal Vorbak are to die for, even for a personal hater of the Word Bearers, althought Argel Tal is awesome

[TheForgottenAngel]

Balthamal has the timeline down pretty well. Dark Angels will be first seen at the EARLIEST a year from now if everything goes as planned without hiccups. Everything had shifted a bit to the right.

 

I have to stress that this is a good thing, even if we don't like it. It's better to get things right the first time than have to go back and fix things a second or third time.

 

I'll get some better pictures of morty up soon as I know the painter who did the marvelous job on him :)

[Marshal Rohr]

Balthamal has the timeline down pretty well. Dark Angels will be first seen at the EARLIEST a year from now if everything goes as planned without hiccups. Everything had shifted a bit to the right.

I have to stress that this is a good thing, even if we don't like it. It's better to get things right the first time than have to go back and fix things a second or third time.

I'll get some better pictures of morty up soon as I know the painter who did the marvelous job on him

Unless we die in the meantime.

[Greyall]

Vulkan - Best character in the HH series, probably the best thing FW has done up to this point

 

Firedrakes and Gal Vorbak - Best-looking infrantry 30/40K has seen

 

So a pretty good Weekender, I think :)

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

 

Any news on future HH Black Library releases?

Again from my running commentary on Heresy 30k,

 

Shattered Legions is a new anthology.

 

Shattered Legions does not just refer to RG, IH, and Sallies. It refers to a grouping, an unofficial organisation, and a product of necessity.

 

They are built around the three sundered legions, but is a disparate and disjointed force spread across the Galaxy waging asymmetric operations.

 

So there are tensions between the various groupings, which is explored in Veritas Ferrum and Python, such as the impact of contrasting military doctrines.

 

The role of the surviving heroes is explored, especially in legions that have lost their Primarch or may have lost them. So each of the sundered legions have a different aspect, but all these groups are fighting away from their super human Primarch. How do they chose a transhumance leader or form a council of war.

 

So the RG under Corrax are operating separate from the Shattered Legions.

 

IH are the dominant group in terms of numbers and, therefore, influence. So their mastery of technology has a major influence, but can move from a positive factor to a dark and dangerous places. Lacking their primarch's guidance, they have divergent views and make some serious errors. This leaves plenty of scope for disagreement between the protectors of humanity (Sallies) and the flesh is weak philosophy of many IHs.

 

It sounds like Shattered Legions will bring greater depth and breadth to the HH, as well as some great, new gaming opportunities. So I think Conquest will be more than a consolidation of what went before, but has the potential to significantly enhance the whole HH project.

 

Loyalist traitors will still pop up, but as side stories. By this point most have decided their allegiance.

 

Leadership in the Shattered Legion cells may rotate. So plenty of room for a lot more characters, many of whom will in time found chapters, be a notable hero etc. Numeon is in such cell in Vulkan Lives, but has a future elsewhere, i.e. what happens to Vulkan next...

 

I'm fascinated to see how they might handle the X Legion's leaders. The RG and Sallies at least [eventually] get their Primarchs, and both had high-tier command structures, whilst the Medusan Clans were lead from within, operated independently [which suggests they might be a bit better at coping with recovery post-Isstvan], and only really answered to the Gorgon, without a Legion command as such.

 

It gives loads of scope for a range of Iron Lords / Iron Fathers who might have reacted differently to Ferrus' death & the betrayal, and who might interact with the wider Imperium in ways somewhat unexpected.

 

 

After seeing the Imperial Army vehicle goodies, I love the idea of a depleted Iron Hands force rendezvousing with an Imperial Army regiment, only to slaughter them in order to claim their Armoured assets for themselves, so they can fight the enemy on their own terms, with their tried and tested expertise, despite their losses. 

 

[Saphrael]

 

 

Oh and one little snippet I managed to blag - Thramas will see Atramentar in all likelihood but that's years away. There's Conquest 2 Calth books and then it's a 1 in 3 chance so who knows

 

Is that a confirmed timeframe? Means the Sarum/Signus/Thramas book rumoured to contain DA is likely a 2016 release, as Marshal2 Crusaders suggests.

 

Any chance of a confirmation of this from people who discussed the HH release schedule?

[Cpt. Lacerus]

Anyone else find it somewhat annoying that all the new termies seem to be left handed? Could be just me though.

[TheForgottenAngel]

At the earliest late 2015, early 2016 is when start we'll see more DA, in what way is questionable as it's far off.

 

I can say that the Dark Angels insignia will be the same as seen in the posters or something very similar.

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

Anyone else find it somewhat annoying that all the new termies seem to be left handed? Could be just me though.

I thought Space Marines were ambidextrous :)

 

On Curze, Edgar told me that he is focused on Solar Auxilia and will be for the near future.

 

I understand from someone else that the next Primarch after Vulkan is already in hand - so to speak ;)

[High Marshal Marcus]

Everyone is posting quicker than I can read! Jealous of the ones who could attend... probably never get a change here in Aus!

... but anyway...

... Where is Sigismund!!! *throws everywhere*

haha rant over! AMAZING sculpts from FW... pick of the bunch being Vulkan (enough about the stumpy hammer already... extending a weapon handle is the easiest conversion ever!!!), those siege automata, and those Pire Guard? (Sally termies)

Well played FW

[GhostMalone]

Well played everyone except for the damn person in charge of GW branding and marketing.

 

They need to take a leaf out of the FW structure

[Cerbero666]

Well played everyone except for the damn person in charge of GW branding and marketing.

 

They need to take a leaf out of the FW structure

 

We can say that FW is the true GW this days. They're doing an amazing job. 

[m_r_parker]

Once again the combo of Black Library and ForgeWorld have out together a great event - massive props out to all of them for fantastic time all round.

 

Great list of upcoming resin releases - certainly the Gal Vorbak being at the top of the list, but even the Solar Auxilia (not normally a Guard / Human fanboy) are really appealing with the new tanks. Those Malcador variants are fantastic, and put the recent GW releases to shame.

 

Great selection of pre-releases from the Black Library crew. Picked up a few myself, couldn't bring myself to pick up everything that was available.

 

My one minor niggle was on the scheduling, particularly A-D-B's signing session. One of Black Library's most popular authors gets three slots for book signings, two of which clashed with 1) New Forgeworld models Seminar and 2) Book 4 Seminar. There's very few people at the event who would miss those two seminars, so couldn't we get him signing at some less conflicted times? Having picked up the new Night Lords trilogy and Prince of Crows specifically for him to sign (both of which I have in other books) I was a little disappointed I couldn't get them signed. Can't say I wasn't surprised at the length of the line for his signing, but had to give up in order to get good seats for the new models seminar.

 

Already can't wait for next year, or the new events that they're talking about. I really wish GW in General looked at these events as to how they can get back on track. Equally I hope GW never take away the autonomy that FW / BL clearly have to do these types of events, or interfere in the production of their models, rules, and books.

 

bravo!

[Emperors Teeth]

Here's a link to my album of the photos from the weekend... you've probably seen it all by now but eh!

 

[Balthamal]

 

Anyone else find it somewhat annoying that all the new termies seem to be left handed? Could be just me though.

I thought Space Marines were ambidextrous :)

On Curze, Edgar told me that he is focused on Solar Auxilia and will be for the near future.

I understand from someone else that the next Primarch after Vulkan is already in hand - so to speak ;)

On the subject of the next Primarch, it's all but certain to be Curze or at the very least he'll be worked on concurrently with another one. As for who gets to do him, that's up in the air. Talked at length with Simon and he said he really wants to do Curze purely for the dark and twisted direction he could take him.

 

Don't know about anyone else who spoke about it but the model he envisaged sounds amazing so fingers crossed he gets the job

[Fire Golem]

I'm guessing it's worth it then guys? I might look at going next year :)

[Greyall]

Well played everyone except for the damn person in charge of GW branding and marketing.

 

They need to take a leaf out of the FW structure

 

I won't disagree that GW is lacking proximity with the customer.

 

But running the 'motherbrand' is quite different from running its premium division.

 

Also, remember the wise words already spoken: we are but a minority. Sure, GW shouldn't ignore veteran advice and knowledge from the setting's tiffosi (which they have among their ranks), but ours is not the opinion that counts the most.

 

At least acknowledge that GW's marketing can't be that bad if they're letting FW do their thing.

 

Back on course:

 

So nothing in Conquest is bound to get models, right?

[Xwingt65]

Hmm book 4 sounds like a mix between a book being made to stuff in alot of chaff releases and army lists they dont have space for in other books, and a "lets milk this cash cow" book.

[GhostMalone]

Hmm book 4 sounds like a mix between a book being made to stuff in alot of chaff releases and army lists they dont have space for in other books, and a "lets milk this cash cow" book.

Or a lets expand with fluff new lists and more missions plus a character profile builder catch up on the backlog of units and allow ourselves to continue with the unique identity of each legion.

 

Not let's get through half the codices and release 6.5 or 7 or whatever