Lord Blackwood Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Well I wont argue that, I run 1500 point games of ZM often and he is more often my HQ ( Pollux is used occasionally) Sigismund's abilities in close combat and the buff he gives to non unwieldy weapons can be insane when you charge a unit then explain to yer opponent that yer striking first with more than just Sigismund himself. That being said , I have dropped games on sheer lack of numbers , while sigismund and his unit butchered everything in their path some opponents were able to just feed them bodies till they choked or avoid them quite well. Im definitely not saying dont run him Im just curious as to how folks structure their lists at 1000 points with him involved. I posted my two examples just on the fly, id certainly like to see something more thought out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4264779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) I made this for Giggles. +++ IF ZM 1k (1000pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List ((Zone Mortalis) Combatant) ++ + HQ + Sigismund + Troops + Templar Brethren [4x Combat Shield, Legion Vexilla, Melta Bombs, 4x Templar Brethren] ··Chapter Champion [Combat Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet] Templar Brethren [4x Combat Shield, Legion Vexilla, 4x Templar Brethren] ··Chapter Champion [Combat Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet] + Heavy Support + Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon ··Leviathan Siege Dreadnought [Grav-flux Bombard, Phosphex Discharger] + Legion + Legion Astartes [VII: Imperial Fists] Edited December 31, 2015 by Slipstreams Caillum, Lord Blackwood, AfroCampbell and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4264800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostmourne Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) I wish ZM was more prevalent in my local meta. I don't know of anyone in a 50 mile radius with a table although our club is planning to invest. That being said, Polux. I have a huge game to be played on the 2nd with my Fists, solar Auxilia, and I believe a Knight ally. Against Word Bearers and Sons of Horus. And yes they will probably bring one if not both of the primarchs. This is the list of stuff I have open to me, as you may know I'm still early doors with my project but I am using a friends 40k army as stand in at the minute. Polux 50 odd tacticals, with the odd heavy weapon guy to make vets. 5 shield and hammer termies 5 Calth termies (not built yet, advice please) 10 Phalanx Wardens 5 HB heavy support guys 1 vindicator 1 Land Raider Phobos 1 Mortis Contemptor with duel Kheres 1 normal dread, ladcannon and ML Aegis Defence Line. The Calth Contemptor (not built, advice please) Kurtha Sedd whom I intend to turn into a consul but no clue which one yet, thoughts? Help me. And how is best to use Polux? Edited December 31, 2015 by Frostmourne BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4264957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegriss Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 what we can use leviathan in ZM I thought they where on 80mm bases so disallowed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4265141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I think that restriction is limited to MC though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4265206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 what we can use leviathan in ZM I thought they where on 80mm bases so disallowedUntil we get clarification, only MCs on 80mm or larger arent allowed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4265230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegriss Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 that's wonderful news I just bought a leviathan because of that news Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4265268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I love the Brethren but the lack of ranged weaponry seems like potentially a big issue for ZM . I love the Leviathan and think it can dominate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4265274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) In zm, having long range doesn't really help you since you can always just Skirt around corners and hide out of LoS due to the nature of Corridors. You never want to walk down a long hallway; take it from me from firsthand experience. Besides, just screen the Templar with the Leviathan for the Most part and you're golden. Av13 and a 4++ means that he can take a beating and is immune to most anti-infantry weapons. He also has two Heavy Flamers who gain Shred for Free since its ZM and if you're playing with the Pseudo-Rending Rules for ZM, your army being pure 2+ armor and Av13 means they're immune to the rule. It also means that unless your up against other 2+ saves or Void-Hardened armor, your BS5 Bolt Pistols (Which are just 1 shot 12" range bolters) get Rending. Edited December 31, 2015 by Slipstreams BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4265296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegriss Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 how do bolt pistols get rending Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4265316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 ZM Optional Rules. Anyone not in 2+ / Void-Hardened / AV13 in Zm that gets shot by anything counts those weapons as having Rending. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4265319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 ZM Optional Rules. Anyone not in 2+ / Void-Hardened / AV13 in Zm that gets shot by anything counts those weapons as having Rending. This sounds like THE most hilarious good fun you could have in a game XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4265333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 ZM / Blood in the Void ZM IS the most fun you can have in the game ( and it takes quite less time than normal ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4265335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) It makes Brutal ZM EVEN MORE BRUTAL. And since you can only take RoWs in ZM if your group is ok with it, not everyone can legally make a 2+ only Army; it would require a character unlocking them as troops, Sigismund, in this case doing just that. It also makes units like Salamander Flamers disgusting since they now have S+1, Shred and Rending. It also brings units like Phalanx Warders and Breachers to the forefront due to their Void-Hardened armor protecting them from it. Even more so when you start using the Damage Tables for rooms exploding and stuff. Edited December 31, 2015 by Slipstreams BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4265337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 8, 2016 Author Share Posted January 8, 2016 As per the most recent FaQ update (the date of this post) Tartaros Terminators can Sweep. They are now the strongest candidate for Storm Shields for us, imo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4271500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostmourne Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Absolutely livid I just made the Calth ones. I played a game last Saturday with 10 led by Polux. All with Hammer and Shield, and being able to Sweep would have been amazing. But for the future, amazing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4271510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 As per the most recent FaQ update (the date of this post) Tartaros Terminators can Sweep. They are now the strongest candidate for Storm Shields for us, imo. It's definitely better but DANG, it's expensive! I'm no Fists player but I got curious after the Tartaros buff, and wow I so didn't realize Storm Shields were more expensive for Tartaros than Cataphractii. It's still not Firedrake or missile Fulmentarus expensive but it gets high fast. Might be the kind of unit to not run at max size or only play in huge games, because a full 10 w/ shields plus Sigi and a Spartan will run you over 1k points for one deathstar and is probably complete overkill. It is a good unit for Sigi to chill with though now that they can sweep with him. Having a handful of power swords in the unit can benefit from his initiative bonus too. Maybe even mauls if you want to hunt 2+ save units, as the swords weren't going to negate those anyway. Combo w/ rad FL in Tartaros for I5 S6 ID on a charge? Gal Vorbak will always do it better because rending, but OTOH Gal Vorbak aren't 2+/3++ in melee. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4272051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) 3 MB vs 2MB for shields isnt that much when you consider that you can Run and Sweep and end up with the Same Invulnerable Save Value. Most Deathstar Terminator Units in a Spartan run near-or-over 1k points if you give them all the toys so nothing new. Edited January 9, 2016 by Slipstreams Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4272064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Its just a shame sigismund doesn't also convey furious charge , that would be incredible . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4272066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 Well...funny you mention that. Because Dorn does. And he also has Crusader and gives +D3 to Combat Resolution. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4272067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I just dont see myself running Dorn over a big tank tho , I dont think hes weak by any means , but if I Was gonna take dorn id wanna take a thunderhawk O u O Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4272073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) Two Words. Aetos Dios. :P Edited January 9, 2016 by Slipstreams Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4272075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Dont let your dreams be dreams ey Slips Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4272077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 Dont let your dreams be dreams ey Slips If I had the ~900$ Required to buy a Thunderhawk and the inclination to build it and subsequently paint it gold, I would have. Sadly, I dont. Or the money at least. Still, 600 pts for what the Aetos Dios is is a bargain! Especially since its a 2 for 1 LoW Slot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4272080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Id still paint it black , I might even paint Dorn Black Cause Yolo Charlo 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/10/#findComment-4272084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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