Terminus Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) Okay, that is excellent! So your volkite caliver squad will have a 36" threat range from the edge of your deployment zone, so you're certain to have something you can shoot. With re-rolls on 1s, you should get a solid 15-16 hits from a squad of 10. Is the Crusader and Fleet rules similarly based on where you start that turn? That's actually not quite as nice, as I had thoughts of using Fleet in no man's land to charge into their deployment zone, and then immediately benefit from Crusader if I won the combat. Not a huge loss though, and I'll gladly take it for relentless heavy weapons on my first turn. Edited March 8, 2016 by Terminus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Okay, that is excellent! So your volkite caliver squad will have a 36" threat range from the edge of your deployment zone, so you're certain to have something you can shoot. With re-rolls on 1s, you should get a solid 15-16 hits from a squad of 10. Is the Crusader and Fleet rules similarly based on where you start that turn? That's actually not quite as nice, as I had thoughts of using Fleet in no man's land to charge into their deployment zone, and then immediately benefit from Crusader if I won the combat. Not a huge loss though, and I'll gladly take it for relentless heavy weapons on my first turn. Relentless all game if you stay in your DZ, means you can shift around to get good fire lanes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Okay, that is excellent! So your volkite caliver squad will have a 36" threat range from the edge of your deployment zone, so you're certain to have something you can shoot. With re-rolls on 1s, you should get a solid 15-16 hits from a squad of 10. Is the Crusader and Fleet rules similarly based on where you start that turn? That's actually not quite as nice, as I had thoughts of using Fleet in no man's land to charge into their deployment zone, and then immediately benefit from Crusader if I won the combat. Not a huge loss though, and I'll gladly take it for relentless heavy weapons on my first turn. I prefer fleet over crusader 99% of the time as all your non sweeping units can't benefit from it, however from fleet they can. I can't tell you how many times a fleet assault reroll has saved my buns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Okay, that is excellent! So your volkite caliver squad will have a 36" threat range from the edge of your deployment zone, so you're certain to have something you can shoot. With re-rolls on 1s, you should get a solid 15-16 hits from a squad of 10. Is the Crusader and Fleet rules similarly based on where you start that turn? That's actually not quite as nice, as I had thoughts of using Fleet in no man's land to charge into their deployment zone, and then immediately benefit from Crusader if I won the combat. Not a huge loss though, and I'll gladly take it for relentless heavy weapons on my first turn. I prefer fleet over crusader 99% of the time as all your non sweeping units can't benefit from it, however from fleet they can. I can't tell you how many times a fleet assault reroll has saved my buns. Yes, but the benefit is on a per-unit basis, so it's not like your whole army suddenly loses Fleet just because one unit broke into the enemy deployment zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Okay, that is excellent! So your volkite caliver squad will have a 36" threat range from the edge of your deployment zone, so you're certain to have something you can shoot. With re-rolls on 1s, you should get a solid 15-16 hits from a squad of 10. Is the Crusader and Fleet rules similarly based on where you start that turn? That's actually not quite as nice, as I had thoughts of using Fleet in no man's land to charge into their deployment zone, and then immediately benefit from Crusader if I won the combat. Not a huge loss though, and I'll gladly take it for relentless heavy weapons on my first turn. I prefer fleet over crusader 99% of the time as all your non sweeping units can't benefit from it, however from fleet they can. I can't tell you how many times a fleet assault reroll has saved my buns.Yes, but the benefit is on a per-unit basis, so it's not like your whole army suddenly loses Fleet just because one unit broke into the enemy deployment zone. Oh definitely. I'm just saying that I'd prefer to have my guys start with fleet over crusader. Situational and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheesh Mode Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Do the Rapier Platforms of the legiones astartes have the Legiones Astartes special rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 No, but the crew does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheesh Mode Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Hmm, then how would that affect the unit if the controlling player uses the Long March Rite of War? Would they be able to move around the deployment zone and fire, or would the rapier need to be stationary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 If any member of a unit has relentless, they can all move around. So yes, very useful for artillery pieces to be able to reposition and still fire, though not as potent as Alphas/Ravens who can infiltrate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 If any member of a unit has relentless, they can all move around. So yes, very useful for artillery pieces to be able to reposition and still fire, though not as potent as Alphas/Ravens who can infiltrate them. Relentless does not confer, only slow and purposeful does. Terminus and Athrawes 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Oops, you're absolutely right, but it still works in the case of artillery. The artillery platform doesn't fire itself, it's fired by one of the crew. As long as the artillery platform is a salvo, heavy, or ordnance weapon, the relentless Astartes can still fire it if he moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 It's funny about the Artillery platforms, I always assumed they can move 6" and still fire but it appears they really do need to stand still :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) Is this the book with all the new rite of war and characters etc? I'm trying to figure out how to advance what I currently have, this is what I have currently Praetor in Terminator armour with combi melta and chainfist Chaplain 10 man tactical squad with a power sword 5 man cataphractii terminator squad with lightning claws dreadnought with option of multi melta or assault cannon. 5 man recon squad with sniper rifles rapier with grav cannon I have the option to make 20 more men, either another squad of 10 tacticals or adding them to the original 10 man squad. I can also make a 10 man veteran squad which I was thinking of giving a combi melta and power fist for the sergeant, and two meltas to act as anti tank. I have an unmade apothecary as well. I basically have the B@C set with a bit added on. I don't have the most recent books or the update red books, I have the first four books, so I'm unsure how much the sons have changed and where to find the changes. Edited March 12, 2016 by WoT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 That book has the updated Justaerin rules & Legion rules. The new RoW & Character are in Book 6: Retribution. Emperor's Furor 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thamier Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 finally read thrugh the thread :) so a few questions if you have a unit with in 12inches of an enemy flyer do they hit it on 5s? also a vet squad with 2 flamers and sniper will they get ap 2 on 6s? is contemptors with assult cannons good? not seen anyone ever listing those here? and can you de a good SoH list without droppods if you only have options from betryal at calth boxes(more than one box) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 finally read thrugh the thread :) so a few questions if you have a unit with in 12inches of an enemy flyer do they hit it on 5s? also a vet squad with 2 flamers and sniper will they get ap 2 on 6s? is contemptors with assult cannons good? not seen anyone ever listing those here? and can you de a good SoH list without droppods if you only have options from betryal at calth boxes(more than one box) 1: They wouldn't be hitting a flyer on 5s as Snap Shooting only hits on a 6. 2: A Vet squad with flamers will indeed get ap2 on rolls to wound of 6. I'm still partial to regular bolters and heavy bolters however. 3: Contemptors use the Kheres assault cannon. Yeah it can be ok. You'll typically find Mortis variants with two of those, they are effective. Regular Contemptors and the Cortus variants probably take dual cc weapons with grav.. 4: You can totally still make a good list without Pods, but it won't play quite as fully to their strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thamier Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 i dont have the rule text i couldent remeber if the +1 bs was not on snapshots inrember its not allowed on overwatch, thanks for the help. the contemptors in betryal at calth with dubble assuslt cannon are okay? whats the diftence in the model on the diffrent contemptors? can you just say this is a mortis or do i need to convert them up? and i guess i have to save upp for some droppods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) A mortis would be equipped with two Assault Cannons. You can purchase a Kheres assault cannon arm from Forgeworld (just the arm) and equip him as such. A mortis can skyfire at bs5 so he becomes a good gun platform with 12 Str6 rending shots. You can also run him as a cheap and effective Cortus equipped with Kheres and cc weapon. This is an affordable (and more competitive than regular) Contemptor with good close combat performance. The Cortus is 40 points cheaper than a regular one, pays the same for upgrades and can award himself a variety of different buffs each turn including rage, but he loses 1Ws, 1Bs and side armour is reduced to 11. Edited March 12, 2016 by Ishagu thamier 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norngahl Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I'd rather assume equipping the contemptor with dual fits/chainfist and 2 gravguns in dreadnought drop pod. Can stay inside the pod and fire 2 haywire shots out, can shoot another 2 haywire shots next turn and assault whatever needed. I run him as spartan counter. Drop in front of a spartan, fire two grav shots, spartan moves next turn but usually can't get put of range unless retreat. Get put, shoot, chaege spartan, done. Enemies either pump in anything they got to get rid of the contemptor or they ignore him completely saying it's only 2 gravguns, but ignoring the fact the spartan will propably die turn 2 in close combat. If you have a mobile armylist with no center the spartan can be aimed at, a grav contemptor is a nice counter to spartans IMO and more versatile against other lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Whats the best way to go about doing a ground based SoH force? I've gone off the idea of drop pods lately and I'm kind of feeling the swarm of marines and vehicles would be more my type, both game wise and in general model wise. depthcharge12 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Whats the best way to go about doing a ground based SoH force? I've gone off the idea of drop pods lately and I'm kind of feeling the swarm of marines and vehicles would be more my type, both game wise and in general model wise. Well this is my current 2500 point list I'm building towards - keep in mind that my gaming group is more toward a balanced approach, so we tend to stay away from things like Typhons and massed quad rapiers and the like. Infantry combat is a lot more fun than just slugging it out with all the big toys at lower points levels (this coming from a guy who has a Reaver, a Fellblade, and two Knights). Here's my list: Long March RoW 2500 points HQ Maloghurst (140) 5 Justaerin (295) + MM, 1 combi plasma, chainfist + Dreadclaw (100) Elites Apothecary (45) Troops 18 tacticals (255) + Sgt w/PA/AA/MBs 15 Reavers (387) + 3 PS, Sgt w/PF/AA/MBs, 12 chainaxes, 2 Melta guns + Jump packs (50) FA 2 Javelin Speeders (170) + Missiles, MM + Missiles, MM Primaris Lightning + GTA, Battle Servitor, 2 kraken missiles, 1 phophex bomb cluster Heavy Support HSS (260) + 10 autocannons, 5 marines Kharybdis (260) Leviathan (290) + Storm cannon, drill, volkites + Dread drop pod (65) I know there are people that want to crucify me now for having a ten man autocannon squad, but I love the new models and want to have a counter against higher toughness things or massed dreadnoughts :P Having run a bunch of numbers and manual dice rolls (get a life Depthcharge), the massed tactical blob does phenomenally against terminators with their bajillion attacks. The Justaerin, while with less combi weapons than optimal, can take on big, heavy units and come out on top. Massed medium weapons fire is sometimes better than an eggs in one basket approach of say something like a Venator. My SoH list is all about mobility and running circles around the enemy with a large number of threats. In actually much more excited to run it than my boring 10 man terminator squad in a Spartan approach for my Dark Angels. Those lists are somewhat binaric and boring to me, and don't challenge my skill as a tactician. *gets off soapbox* I hope this helps, sorry for the TL;DR :P Emperor's Furor 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 The 10 Autocannon squad can be very good if you add the Consul that gives them Tank Hunters. It's worth the investment. depthcharge12 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Siege Breaker would also unlock Phosphex Shells for any Thudd Guns. Ishagu and depthcharge12 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thamier Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 first off thanks for all the advice, next question battlescribe, is there somewhere i can get a sons of horus 30k battlescribe file with justarin and special characters and all? all i have is legion generics next question whats the best hq for SoH? i mean both if you do build your own and also whats the best character hq? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 In Battlescribe: Did you add the "legion" selection and choose Sons of Horus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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