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[Gaz Taylor]

 

Also sounds like it effects everything with the World Eater keyword, so quite amusing to see all the tanks gaining an extra attack or the Heldrake!

Not really. Legion traits only apply to infantry, bikes and helbrutes.

 

Ah! Didn't know that. Makes sense

[betrayer41]

A  bit random sorry. I see this everywhere and it seems to be very useful but what is this blue puddy everyone is using?

[Khornestar]

The putty you're referring to could be Blu-Tack, or one of the variations of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu_Tack

[KrautScientist]

Random questions for the masses. What size is the new Khârn model? I noticed he doesn't look that small on a 40mm base. Is the model closer to the larger marines like TS, DW and MKIII?

 

He's basically on par with the new Dark Imperium Plague Marines and, by extension, the same probably goes for a size comparison with the Thousand Sons and Deathwatch Marines as well. In fact, he's pretty much as tall as a standard Pimaris Marine as well -- whatever size difference there may be is handily obscured by his hyper-dynamic pose ;)

 

Hope this helps!

[Khornestar]

Some more work on my leviathan. Loving how he's coming together, but filling gaps is going to be a challenge:

 

 

 

[Brother Aiwass]

Holly Khorne!

[Prot]

That is one heck of a challenge you got going there.

[Khornestar]

Yep. I think I'm gonna have to use some green/brown stuff to fill gaps/sculpt some plates, as much as I wanted to avoid that.

[Berzerker88]

The AoBF is back, S +3, AP -3, D3 damage. Any miss can't be rerolled and instead hits an ally ala Khârn.

 

Talisman of Burning Blood rerolls charges and lets you advance and charge.

 

And apparently Juggerlords were removed from the codex, can someone confirm?

[Khornestar]

The AoBF is back, S +3, AP -3, D3 damage. Any miss can't be rerolled and instead hits an ally ala Khârn.

Talisman of Burning Blood rerolls charges and lets you advance and charge.

And apparently Juggerlords were removed from the codex, can someone confirm?

Here's your answer for juggerlords/other mounts:

 

found it here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/05/codexes-your-questions-answered-july-5gw-homepage-post-2/

 

 

 

There are a few options that are missing in the codex that appear in the index: why is that? Does that mean I can’t use these models in my army anymore?

 

 

While the indexes are designed to cover a long history of miniatures, the codexes are designed to give you rules for the current Warhammer 40,000 range. There are a few options in the indexes for some Characters and vehicles that are no longer represented in the Citadel range – certain Dreadnought weapons that don’t come in the box, or some characters on bikes, for example.

 

Don’t worry though, you can still use all of these in your games if you have these older models. In these instances, use the datasheet from the index, and the most recent points published for that model and its weapons (currently, also in the index).

 

They still gain all the army wide-bonuses for things like Chapter Tactics and can use Space Marines Stratagems and the like, so such venerable heroes still fit right in with the rest of your army.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, here's what my leviathan looks like with his arms on:

 

Edited August 5, 2017 by Juggernut

[BrassClaw]

Awww, that makes me sad that the Jugger lord didn't make it into the codex. Might have to dust off the Daemon Prince model to compensate

[Khornestar]

Well again, he still has valid rules in the index. So you're good to go!

Edited August 6, 2017 by Juggernut

[BrassClaw]

Well again, he still has valid rules in the index. So you're good to go!

True, but I assume I wont be able to use the Relics & Artifacts that are in the codex or am I wrong about that?

[Khornestar]

There's no reason he can't, AFAIK.

[Cheex]

 

 

Well again, he still has valid rules in the index. So you're good to go!

True, but I assume I wont be able to use the Relics & Artifacts that are in the codex or am I wrong about that?

We'll have to wait and see how it's worded, but I suspect that relics will be available to any LEGION character as long as the detachment all comes from the same Legion. If that's the case, then your juggerlord will be able to take relics just fine.

[Minsc]

So if I'm not mistaken, there are 1 relic for World Eaters only and 2 relics for Khorne only.

I like the Collar of Borghast (?). It's fluffy and fitting. It also makes the opponent extra wary of casting psychic powers "just because". A bad roll makes for a somewhat easy deny which makes for said psyker going *boom*. And if the opponent rolls high on his test, we still have the stratagem if we really want that spell to be nullified.

 

I'm not a big fan of AoBF though. I haven't done the math, but vs. the majority of targets I think a regular Power Fist would be better or about equal. Yes, a Chaos Lord only hits on 3+, but he doesn't hit his own side, and he can use his own (or a dark apostles) re-roll aura with the fist.

If it was damage 3 instead of d3, or didn't have the "can't reroll 1's"-rule, I'd love it. As it is however...pass.

 

The Talisman of Burning Blood is outright mean, and will probably be the go-to relic for my Daemon Prince, alongside the WE-warlord trait. 

Move 12" with wings, advance D6" and then charge 2D6" with re-roll. He'll on average be able to charge something that stands 24-25" away before he starts moving!

Edited August 7, 2017 by Minsc

[Bloody Legionnaire]

SO, with the new rules how will WEs now match up against Nids and Orks? Can we choppy our way through them or are we going to need to trim them down as much as possible first? 

[God-Potato of Mankind]

Hello fellow fraters of the Blood God, 

 

To throw my hat in, I have a huge 30k WE force and I'm running them as 40k now. I also have a red WE Land Raider, Zhufor, a bucket of beserkers and AoS/40k hella-kitbashed cultists. 

 

I'm justifying it as the blue & white are the "true" Veterans of the Long War, the red ones are chaff they've accumulated throughout their wars. Only downside is calling Zhufor...chaff. I'm not sure he'll approve

 

Plus with the lack of restrictions on Hellforged units, I can run all of my sexy Hellforged things like my dual-Spartans and Deredeo. Plus I finally have a reason to get my Decimator fully assembled and on the table! I'm having a whale of a time raiding my old stashes and bitz boxes. it's sort of like a pseudo-christmas, remembering all the cool stuff I had that was let down by mediocre rules. 

 

I've whipped up a list which is basically Zhufor, two Dank Apostles, a Decimator, 20 zerkers in a Spartan, 5 possessed in a raider and 2x 15 cultists. I entirely want to use the "tide of traitors" stratagem after my cultists have bubblewrapped by partbus units. It sounds so lulzy and fun! 

 

*hungrily eyes the Blood Slaughterer and Brass Scorpion models*

 

Bring on Codex day!

Edited August 7, 2017 by God-Potato of Mankind

[Berzerker88]

Is it true that World Eater Berzerkers aren't troops anymore?

[Panzer]

Is it true that World Eater Berzerkers aren't troops anymore?

Yes and no. The troop version Datasheets aren't in the Codex anymore but since GW told us to use the Index Datasheets if they aren't in the Codex it should still be okay. Especially because point costs etc. aren't part of the actual Datasheet.

[Berzerker88]

 

Is it true that World Eater Berzerkers aren't troops anymore?

Yes and no. The troop version Datasheets aren't in the Codex anymore but since GW told us to use the Index Datasheets if they aren't in the Codex it should still be okay. Especially because point costs etc. aren't part of the actual Datasheet.

Nice.

[THUNDERFISTS]

So planning for Berzerkers not being troops at all because the Indexes will eventually be overruled (maybe we'll have an actual WE codex by then though...) it doesn't really alter the lists I've been running. The only major change will be 3x10+ Cultists with an Apostle and Lord/Exalted/Khârn in a Battalion, then fill out a Vanguard with another Exalted/Lord and Zerkers/Helbrute. Everything else should fit into the Battalion easily enough. So the only major change would be ten extra Cultists for 40pts - thank the dark gods for that point drop too. 

 

Not bad. 

[Khornestar]

Chugging along. Happy with my progress on the head/torso, redoing parts of the arms... more on those later, just can't get the gun arm right.

 

 

[Bloody Legionnaire]

So planning for Berzerkers not being troops at all because the Indexes will eventually be overruled (maybe we'll have an actual WE codex by then though...) it doesn't really alter the lists I've been running. The only major change will be 3x10+ Cultists with an Apostle and Lord/Exalted/Khârn in a Battalion, then fill out a Vanguard with another Exalted/Lord and Zerkers/Helbrute. Everything else should fit into the Battalion easily enough. So the only major change would be ten extra Cultists for 40pts - thank the dark gods for that point drop too. 

 

Not bad. 

Umm who said the Indexes will eventually be overruled? GW has definitely not hinted anything remotely near that at all. I am sure it is an oversight as I fully expected Rubrics will be troops in the TS Codex and PM will be troops for the Death Guard Codex. Let's not spread conjecture around the warp.. CSM players don't need anything else to be salty about when things are finally starting to look pretty good. 

[Cheex]

 

Is it true that World Eater Berzerkers aren't troops anymore?

Yes and no. The troop version Datasheets aren't in the Codex anymore but since GW told us to use the Index Datasheets if they aren't in the Codex it should still be okay. Especially because point costs etc. aren't part of the actual Datasheet.

The problem is that both "Khorne Berzerkers" datasheets will be replaced by the one in the codex.

 

So, unless something is in the codex that allows WE to take berzerkers as Troops, it looks like we're stuck with the Vanguard detachment.

 

Given how much better WE are getting, that's a price I'm willing to pay.