Charlo Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Yeah I think us successors will be fine using special characters 99% of the time. Maybe not in official tournaments or against that one guy that you probably don't want to play with anyway... I bet most people would even be fine with people using Seth along side other BA characters and having them all benefit from each other's buffs. I honestly dont think that's op or abusing the game mechanics at all It's the same for Tyranid players. Technically now anyone who has different units painted as different hive fleets can't buff each other. I understand the reasoning behind it, but as far as I'm concerned they can just count models from different hive schemes to be together. Flesh Tearers and other successors have always been counted as Blood Angels, sharing the same rules, so to split it now is a bit harsh. Codex vs BA vs SW etc. makes sense, as they have their own sets of special characters but successors? That just makes people not want to try something different. I'll be letting my Tyranid opponent cross-buff regardless of paint scheme and I expect I'll be able to keep mixing my Blood Angels and Flesh Tearers units, while keeping any Codex unit separate. Okay so... When all of the specific special characters are keyword: Bood Angels - that's fine, no issue. But you can't go mixing Seth and Mephiston, that's properly against the rules. I'd protest to people using mixed hive fleet special characters, regardless of paint job. By all means use them, but only stick to one hive fleet etc Otherwise, thats the same argument along the lines of "yeah but Azrael should buff my Blood Angels" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Saw these guys on Facebook. Store owner said he trimmed the shoulder pads with plastic cutters and a knife to get the upgrade sprue pads to fit. Looks like I might be buying an upgrade sprue (or 2) myself now. http://i.imgur.com/oLFdUnT.jpg Literally what I had planned for my primaris when they come in. Though none of them will be helmetless... Grazcruzk 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoridon Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) Okay so... When all of the specific special characters are keyword: Bood Angels - that's fine, no issue. But you can't go mixing Seth and Mephiston, that's properly against the rules. I'd protest to people using mixed hive fleet special characters, regardless of paint job. By all means use them, but only stick to one hive fleet etc Otherwise, thats the same argument along the lines of "yeah but Azrael should buff my Blood Angels" Azrael is different, he's from a different faction. I'm perfectly fine with Codex, BA, SW, DA etc. all being unable to buff each other as they're different armies. BA successors (and any other chapter successors) use all the same rules as their parent chapters, the units are identical, but suddenly a successor player finds that their special characters are much less useful as they've been converted into aura-providers and those auras don't work on the rest of their models when the week before it was perfectly fine. In my case my units are a mix of BA and Flesh Tearers, which today can mix absolutely fine. In a few days half my characters will suddenly be unable to provide their auras/buffs to the oher half of my units, which makes it no different to having a mix of BA and Ultramarines (or any other non-BA faction chapter). I like the fact that cross-faction buffing is largely gone (aside from when buffs are to Astartes), but this is within our own faction. Codex chapters had the different chapter tactics before, which differentiated them, and a range of different special characters. For BA only 1 successor chapter has 1 special character, the rest have none and now can't benefit from the special characters they've been using after Friday after being treated as the same faction up to this point. The only option is to say "these are all Blood Angels", which works for any successor chapter without characters of Flesh Tearers not using Seth, but then people who play fluffy and have back stories to their chapters are having to throw all that aside to avoid being punished on the tabletop. Edit: For Tyranids there are no set hive fleets for special characters, they can all be set to whichever fleet you want which by the rules means you can just say all your models are Hive Fleet X regardless of paint job. That just takes away from the fluff and personality again, as someone who has some units painted one way, some another to represent the different fleets now can't play their army reflecting that or half their units would be unable to buff each other. They have to throw that fluff out of the window during a game and just make up some random hive fleet name to bypass it. Edited June 15, 2017 by Thoridon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoridon Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) I should also add that I don't play competitively. I'm not advocating for anyone to turn up at a tournament or game store and demand to let Flesh Tearers work differently. The rules are the rules, so any environment where they're to be followed is fine. I still think it's a bit annoying to suddenly have the distinction for successors, but if I did happen to play with people I don't know I'd just not use Seth and simply say all my units are Blood Angels (even though some are darker red and have a nice white swirly blade on their shoulders). I play friendly games, and we've house ruled certain things before. In 7th we felt it was silly having reserves being random so we decided you could choose any movement phase from turn 2 onward. We also felt units should be able to charge after deep strike, so we house ruled that. Both of those rules are now inbuilt for 8th, so it's nice and simple for us. For 8th I think we'll probably house rule it so the Tyranid player doesn't have to worry about which Hive Fleet things are technically painted as, and the same for me with Flesh Tearers counting as keyword Blood Angels (as my army was built with that being the case). Obviously any Codex chapter or Wolves etc. would remain different factions/keywords. We'll probably also end up house ruling rerolls if they end up being different the way many are saying, and just keep them as a simple miss after mods and natural 1. As I say though, this is for friendly games. Edited June 15, 2017 by Thoridon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 I think first game of 8th will be as follows. Sanguinary Priest 5 man tactical squad with heavy flamer, hand flamer, power sword 5 man tactical squad with melta gun, inferno pistol, power sword 5 man scout squad, 4 sniper rifles, 1 missile launcher, camo cloaks Death Company Dread, talons, heavy flamer, melta gun, magna-grapple Tactical TDA 1 chain fist, 1 heavy flamer drop pod, storm bolter storm raven T/L assault cannon, T/Lmulti-melta regular dread with plasma cannon and heavy flamer I think that's a good little force to learn the ropes with. not sure on points or power but can easily change. Grazcruzk 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkProdigy Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 As space marines go this is largely just a new issue for Fleah Tearers and Seth. DA/SW have no successor character rules, and DA couldn't for example build a custom ravenwing master for a successor in 7th or in 8th because reasons, but that's not really a change. Seth unable to play with the other BA characters is a change though and an annoying one, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Seth unable to play with the other BA characters is a change though and an annoying one, Well, I mean you can still, literally take them in the same army, even in the same force org chart. It's just they don't benefit from one anothers auras or <CHAPTER> buffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) the hour draws close Brothers and Sisters of the 9th! On this end of the pond i still have several hours to wait. I'm super jealous for all my frater's about to get their copies. Edited June 17, 2017 by Dont-Be-Haten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Been working on getting my army ready for 8th. Currently converting up some heavy flamers from a grey knights box I've got laying around. Also gotta get the jumpers ready and actually buy the special characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Angelus Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Picked up my pre-order this morning (BRB & Imperium 1) and enjoying them a lot. My LGS had a midnight release but I wasn't that keen. Today will be a painting day. Bike techmarine is first on the block, followed by more storm raven components. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebs_evo7 Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Picked up my books today Damon Nightman 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Headed to the FLGS to pick up my mans. Pretty stoked to get my first game of 8th in as well. Perhaps a bat rep will also take place today! :) Damon Nightman 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mightykin Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 I missed the postman, go to wait till tomorrow now to get the books! I missed the postman, go to wait till tomorrow now to get the books! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Angelus Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) Downloaded the FW index. Controversy around <Chapter> aside, i'm more than hyped about fielding some FW goodies. A geared up THawk is about the same points as 2.5 Ravens. Edited June 18, 2017 by Brother_Angelus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 No idea when my stuff will arrive... Looking forward to it though. Have too much custodes to paint to really bother with 8th immediately however...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 No idea when my stuff will arrive... Looking forward to it though. Have too much custodes to paint to really bother with 8th immediately however...! *Just* custodes? ;) <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sockwithaticket Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 TIBA I finished the fourth member of my Heavy Bolter Devastators:And in response to the Xenos incursion the Crimson Tears ready a batte brother to join the ranks of the Deathwatch: Grazcruzk, WarriorFish, Damon Nightman and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reldn Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Today, I got to thinking about the Primaris being sent to reinforce/rebuild depleted Chapters. I then got to thinking about the good ol' Flesh Eaters, and I'm now considering a small force of Big Freakin' Cannibals. ...I also realize that that would put me at three armies of red Astartes. *laughs* Chaplain Gunzhard 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeblerartillery Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Hey all! Well, after a long hiatus, I have finally decided to return to the fold - just in time for 8th! Anyways, here is a brief update on what I started working on - finishing up my death company...and realizing I wanted a new way to paint my helmets and a WIP of my sanguinary priest. Cheers! Damon Nightman, WarriorFish, Lasuria and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 No idea when my stuff will arrive... Looking forward to it though. Have too much custodes to paint to really bother with 8th immediately however...! *Just* custodes? <3 Well I mean... Also Sisters of Silence and a load of Ad Mech too... I'm just taking a break from anything new BA until we get a codex and my Heresy Campaign is finished methinks! Which is fine, I have more than enough to finish anyway :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Spent the afternoon cleaning and assembling my Primaris marines...2 Intercessor Squads built, sergeants got shoulder swaps, one random marine got a shoulder swap and one random marine got a head swap... 1 hellblaster squad built, sergeant got a shoulder swap. 2 lieutenants built, one got a shoulder swap 1 ancient built 1 inceptor squad partially built - need to paint the heads before i stick them completely together due to yellow helms (how awkward) gravis captain is removed from sprue but I'm tired now haha. I also secured a trade of the nurgle stuff for the primaris from a guy I know - so have all the above to build still... plus another ancient, lieutenant, intercessor squad and hellblaster squad I bits ordered thinking I'd not be trading anything...Lord knows how I'm going to make them look unique! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I picked up an Inceptor Squad. Probably won't see any paint for a while as I'm waiting (and hoping) they get more options with a full kit but I do like me anything with a Jump pack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcrat Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 sergeants got shoulder swaps I'm going to be doing shoulder swaps this weekend. Was it overly difficult to carve off the existing pads? 1 inceptor squad partially built - need to paint the heads before i stick them completely together due to yellow helms (how awkward) Are you giving the Hellblasters a blue helm as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I picked up an Inceptor Squad. Probably won't see any paint for a while as I'm waiting (and hoping) they get more options with a full kit but I do like me anything with a Jump pack! A full kit having more options doesn't stop you from making and painting the mono-pose push fits though, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I picked up an Inceptor Squad. Probably won't see any paint for a while as I'm waiting (and hoping) they get more options with a full kit but I do like me anything with a Jump pack! A full kit having more options doesn't stop you from making and painting the mono-pose push fits though, right? It doesn't, but if the options are cool I'm going to wait and see what I could convert! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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