Kythnos Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I didn't have the Vraks books. I went to the new stuff page and have just purchased the limited ed IA13 along with the three Vraks books for eighty quid... wow. I think that is quite the deal. It definitely is! As I already own the Vraks books, I'll only order the new IA 13 though. The questiop is, whether I'll also treat myself to some nice FW resin. I'm torn between the Dreadclaw and the Decimator. What are people's opinions? And for those in the know: 1. Is the Dreadclaw that's depicted in the book the old Chaos Dreadclaw or the new HH variant - or in other words: does it make sense to wait for a return of the old model? 2. What loadout would you guys recommend for the Decimator? I'm thinking either dual siege claws or dual butcher cannons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlsanGamer Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 1. I'm 90 percent sure it's going to be the horus heresy dreadclaw. Let you know when my book arrives. 2. Bs3 makes the decimator with butcher cannons a better armored but very expensive Forge fiend. Considering the decimator can deepstrike I'd take the Siege claws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Doc Grotsnik Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 It's the Heresy Dreadclaw. I wouldn't expect the all-resin one to make a return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Ordered mine! Now to hide patiently in the bushes by my mailbox until it arrives.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Within Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 The dreadclaw if it's the same as the Heresy one doesn't have any scatter mitigation, if it hits an enemy unit, it mishaps. Without scatter mitigation I find the sudden appearance of drop pod Chaos Space Marine armies questionable. OTOH the renegades stuff sounds brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexington Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 Welp. Mine's ordered. Now to hunker down for that long, long international shipping wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I JUST NOTICED THIS: In the video, pause at 0:32. THe DCCW has CHAIN FINGERS! NOT THAT SILLY ONE WE HAVE NOW! But a Proper looking Chain Fist. + its on a legit model with some touch up work done to it! Why couldn't we have gotten this one instead of the one now that looks like the dread is perpetually flipping things off?!!??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Bought it. Just the book I've been waiting since the awesome 3.5 codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minionboy Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 The dreadclaw if it's the same as the Heresy one doesn't have any scatter mitigation, if it hits an enemy unit, it mishaps. Without scatter mitigation I find the sudden appearance of drop pod Chaos Space Marine armies questionable. OTOH the renegades stuff sounds brilliant I was thinking about that, but since it's not immobile, it can deep strike then flat out 18"... so as long as you land within 18" of where you want to be, you'll be where you want (not including the next turn moving 6" and disembarking 6" before you charge). It's a little steep at 100 points, but since it's landing in hover mode, it's actually protecting your units from interceptor fire, which is a big problem facing marine drop pods, additionally, it has a pretty nasty attack where it lands, so if it doesn't get shot down, it can just start hovering around blasting infantry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_contagion Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 The dreadclaw if it's the same as the Heresy one doesn't have any scatter mitigation, if it hits an enemy unit, it mishaps. Without scatter mitigation I find the sudden appearance of drop pod Chaos Space Marine armies questionable. OTOH the renegades stuff sounds brilliant I was thinking about that, but since it's not immobile, it can deep strike then flat out 18"... so as long as you land within 18" of where you want to be, you'll be where you want (not including the next turn moving 6" and disembarking 6" before you charge). It's a little steep at 100 points, but since it's landing in hover mode, it's actually protecting your units from interceptor fire, which is a big problem facing marine drop pods, additionally, it has a pretty nasty attack where it lands, so if it doesn't get shot down, it can just start hovering around blasting infantry. What's the difference between the Dreadclaw and the Assault Claw? What weapons do they have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I assume you're talking about the Dreadclaw Drop Pod and the Kharybdis Assault Claw? If thats the case, the Assault Claw has a transport capacity of 20 and a lot more Toys. Also generally tougher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_contagion Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Yeah those were the two I was talking about. Apparently the Dreadclaw has a weapon? Is it like a Vector Strike/Bombing Run or something else? I remember hearing that the Kharybdis can fire its missiles as an attack before it DS, kind of like the Mawlocs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I'll PM you the rules since they're in the Heresy Books and I don't want to break the rules about..well...posting rules :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Skull Mask Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I didn't have the Vraks books. I went to the new stuff page and have just purchased the limited ed IA13 along with the three Vraks books for eighty quid... wow. I think that is quite the deal. It definitely is! As I already own the Vraks books, I'll only order the new IA 13 though. The questiop is, whether I'll also treat myself to some nice FW resin. I'm torn between the Dreadclaw and the Decimator. What are people's opinions? And for those in the know: 1. Is the Dreadclaw that's depicted in the book the old Chaos Dreadclaw or the new HH variant - or in other words: does it make sense to wait for a return of the old model? 2. What loadout would you guys recommend for the Decimator? I'm thinking either dual siege claws or dual butcher cannons. Best take both! But if you have to choose, I'd take the dreadclaw. I wouldn't wait for the old model though, since I think the new one is much cooler! =) Quick question: Right now, only the limited edition is up for order, right? Their will be an unlimited edition soon, won't there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disciple of Fulgrim Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 If the Dreadclaw costs almost as much as three loyalist pods, I'm not really seeing its utility either - how good is its burn attack, or whatever it's called? The whole gimmick of it being able to fly around might help in Maelstrom missions, for snagging objectives and whatnot, but otherwise it sounds kind of overpriced. (Especially if the payloads that can take it as a DT are as limited as initially indicated.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Might get some Flakk for this but its a bit more efficient than PMing everyone who asks about it :\ Sorry Mods (if it is against the rules) HB: Heat Blast HB : when it DS's or later operating as a skimmer in hover, it may preform a heat blast attack. However, if you do, models cannot embark/disembark on the turn you use it.HB(DS): Measure a radius of 3"+D3 horizontally outwards from the mail hull. All models hit suffer a S6 AP5, ignores cover hit and vehicles are hit on their weakest armor. HB(fire sweep) : if player wishes, any unit the model passes directly over suffers D6 S5 AP5, ignores cover hit. Same as above for vehicles. Counts as a flamer attack. Roll a D6 on a 1 the vehicle itself suffers a Pen. hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 This is the most enthusiastic Chaos thread I've seen in a very long time. FW must be doing something right! I've ordered mine. Time to forget about it for about a month until it arrives :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Within Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Problem is without inertial Guidance that attack is just too damned risky to utilise effectively, so it's a useless gimmick. No, not for me. It shall be fortifications, Rapiers, Ordinance and hordes of slave soldiers and mutants dying to the whims of those Iron Warriors marching resolutely behind them. 3 million casualties to take a single objective? Mission achieved, so What Casualties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 The Kharybdis has inertial Guidance and Heat Blast but cost double and half again. Also has double the transport capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 This is the most enthusiastic Chaos thread I've seen in a very long time. You should stop by more often. Should have seen us during the ETL. Or checked out the Legion/Warband topics. Keep an eye out for Call of Chaos too ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_contagion Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 The Kharybdis has inertial Guidance and Heat Blast but cost double and half again. Also has double the transport capacity. That makes me want to get 2 Kharybdis and fit two 20 man Khorne Berzerks in it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 3 million casualties to take a single objective? Mission achieved, so What Casualties? You must care for your rangefinders, you bothered to count them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 The kharybdis is essentially a Flying LR Spartan. The Caestus Assault Ram is a Flying LR Phobos (lascannon one) Imo, that is. Though the Caestus is a unique case since bulky and non bulky models take the same space in it at 10 capacity. Primarchs for example would take 3 but terminators 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Ok, so the limited edition version is still on sale at £50, is the regular version available yet, hopefully at £25, but more likely £30? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidicul Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Can we put bikes in either one of these? Really want a transport for bikes, and DSing a bike squad would be so much fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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