knife&fork Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 And free searchlights? It no longer burns! ..... it sparkles. Thank you. I'll be here all week. Don't forget to wait your tipress. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
girot Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Outstanding. Thanks guys! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Bugger. Means he can never get the primaris as bonus. oh well! Thanks Pasc! Don't believe your interpretation is correct. Per BRB, If you have "chosen" all your powers from the same list, you get the primaris. You don't choose your default power, so it doesn't count in that regard. The Tyranid Maleceptor and Neurothrope are in the same boat and 'nid players know this to be true. Meph should be able to use the primaris power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Bugger. Means he can never get the primaris as bonus. oh well! Thanks Pasc! Don't believe your interpretation is correct. Per BRB, If you have "chosen" all your powers from the same list, you get the primaris. You don't choose your default power, so it doesn't count in that regard. The Tyranid Maleceptor and Neurothrope are in the same boat and 'nid players know this to be true. Meph should be able to use the primaris power. "If a Psyker has any psychic powers that are not part of a discipline, such as Force, those powers are not considered when determining whether the Psyker has Psychic Focus. " Looks like you're right sir!! Great news. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrunTeufel Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 The only thing that bugs me so far is no eternal warrior relic. Wolves for example get to create a wolf lord that is quite sturdy even without a wolf mount. All I want is a beatstick captain is that too much to ask? *sigh* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
girot Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Dual wielding pistols are ZOMG! Now I'm glad I picked up a VAS and didn't glue arms on yet. Bwaahahahahahahahaa! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Wolves dont have an Eternal Warrior relic either. They tend to be saved in chapter specific books for the Lords of War (see: Logan & Dante) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Forgive me if this has been reported already, but it seems that Tycho will still have two profiles: Captain Tycho Tycho the Lost From the Loaded Dice podcast FB page, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrunTeufel Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Wolves dont have an Eternal Warrior relic either. They tend to be saved in chapter specific books for the Lords of War (see: Logan & Dante) Oh they don't have their sagas anymore? Shame. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrunTeufel Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Forgive me if this has been reported already, but it seems that Tycho will still have two profiles: Captain Tycho Tycho the Lost From the Loaded Dice podcast FB page, Why would anyone take Tycho anymore? He doesn't have any close combat weapon, no leadership buffs, and he lost his special ammo too. I can make the same character for the same cost so he isn't exactly cheap either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 It's a shame, that's about 50 pts more than he's worth too. Just under 100 and he could have been justified to tank wounds and challenges for the DC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Forgive me if this has been reported already, but it seems that Tycho will still have two profiles: Captain Tycho Tycho the Lost From the Loaded Dice podcast FB page, Why would anyone take Tycho anymore? He doesn't have any close combat weapon, no leadership buffs, and he lost his special ammo too. I can make the same character for the same cost so he isn't exactly cheap either. Yeah if I ever want to use my tycho (which I might... He's my favourite model) I will run him as a regular captain, artificer armour, combine melta, melta bomb and the ap2 relic sword. Loses master crafted but becomes good in CC... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 So one thing I'm not sure about. With the units in Deathstorm, can you take those as part of your army? Can I take Cassor the Damned or Raphen's Death Company and use them as Troops for instance? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I wonder if there will be some clarification on the dc in that being troops Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 So one thing I'm not sure about. With the units in Deathstorm, can you take those as part of your army? Can I take Cassor the Damned or Raphen's Death Company and use them as Troops for instance? If I understood the whole discussion a few pages back (and the question you're asking now), they are part of a Formation, and with Formations you can only take the whole thing or none at all. Meaning you can't cherry pick units like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I wonder if they moved Death Company and the Death Company Dread to Elites in the 11th hour after Deathstorm already went to print? It's just so odd. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Very unlikely. It's just the way they wanted the campaign box to be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 So one thing I'm not sure about. With the units in Deathstorm, can you take those as part of your army? Can I take Cassor the Damned or Raphen's Death Company and use them as Troops for instance? If I understood the whole discussion a few pages back (and the question you're asking now), they are part of a Formation, and with Formations you can only take the whole thing or none at all. Meaning you can't cherry pick units like that. I understand the formation bit and that it's an all of nothing deal. A few people posted that Troops choices for our Army were: Tactical Marines, Scouts, Cassor, and Raphen's Death Company making it seem like you can cherry pick. Hence my question. Very unlikely. It's just the way they wanted the campaign box to be. What's the logic for that though? Slots in the campaign box don't really matter. You are basically just playing what's in the box. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascalnz Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 you can cherry pick, they are different unit options. i.e. imagine them just being another page in the codex. You have the option of running them all together as a formation however, for more goodly benefits. it's like the battle company. each unit is it's own page, but you can put them all together in a formation Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 you can cherry pick, they are different unit options. i.e. imagine them just being another page in the codex. You have the option of running them all together as a formation however, for more goodly benefits. it's like the battle company. each unit is it's own page, but you can put them all together in a formation OK. Yeah, I see they described each unit as a data sheet. Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Danse Macabre Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Sorry I disappeared, needed to spend some time with my GF and you know, eat food and whatnot. ;) Anyway as far as I can tell, yes... Tycho sucks. Any new ground people want to go over? Mephiston is still good, just is going to have to be in a unit with AP2 combat weaponry. On the plus side though Dante is a nice little beat stick now, just a shame he scatters... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 So one thing I'm not sure about. With the units in Deathstorm, can you take those as part of your army? Can I take Cassor the Damned or Raphen's Death Company and use them as Troops for instance? If I understood the whole discussion a few pages back (and the question you're asking now), they are part of a Formation, and with Formations you can only take the whole thing or none at all. Meaning you can't cherry pick units like that. You can absolutely take them as individual units. The reason for this is that each unit has its own datasheet. The Deathstorm formation is nothing more than a collection of data sheets. So you can use the datasheets in the Deathstorm formation or in any other detachment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 So one thing I'm not sure about. With the units in Deathstorm, can you take those as part of your army? Can I take Cassor the Damned or Raphen's Death Company and use them as Troops for instance? If I understood the whole discussion a few pages back (and the question you're asking now), they are part of a Formation, and with Formations you can only take the whole thing or none at all. Meaning you can't cherry pick units like that. You can absolutely take them as individual units. The reason for this is that each unit has its own datasheet. The Deathstorm formation is nothing more than a collection of data sheets. So you can use the datasheets in the Deathstorm formation or in any other detachment. I can at least verify that each unit has a specific points cost for each. I took that to mean that you can use them the same way as you can Tycho, Lemartes or any other unit in the "normal" Codex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Sorry I disappeared, needed to spend some time with my GF and you know, eat food and whatnot. Just a couple questions as I think we have almost everything covered at this point. Dante gets Descent of Angels as a Warlord Trait. He also get another one from what I understand? Is that set or do you roll for it? And a more general question, how does the book look? Any cool new art of stuff like that? Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/77/#findComment-3886232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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