Duke Danse Macabre Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Well all the units i covered before - Tacticals - Command Squad - Vanguard Vets - Sternguard - Bikers Can take grv on the squad and Sargent. Other than for characters no other units get them. Oh, yeah, also... Sanguinary priests? Are they conventional one-to-a-slot HQs? Or can you get extra bodies, like we used to? Command squads? What are they? Are they just a veteran squad, or do they get special dudes? A built-in "blood" champion like they used to? A baby priest, like they used to? Or are they merely confused and aren't actually a thing? What is a "sanguinary sword" or "sanguinary axe?" Techmarines. Do they still lack Independent Character? Thanks man - you're doing us all a huge favor. Rhinos and Razorbacks are Overcharged as base but at a 10 point increase which is already in their points. Baal Pred has it too built into its points cost. Vindicators, Whirlwinds and Preds can pay for it. No landraider variant can get it as not based off the rhino stc. Techmarines Have IC. Command squad costs the same as the Marine codex but with a free Apothecary and Champion. In regards to Sanguinary weapons as far as I can see they are just the names of the Sanguinary guards weapons but double checking. By the looks of it all though they are still free on the models for the sword and switch to axe for free, the power fist upgrade is still the same points as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Why is it so hard to give a Captain Artificer Armour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouchyoldsailor Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Wait, can our ASM still get melta ,plas,grav or just flamers if they are just like C:SM? That would suck because I will to repurpose a lot of melta jump guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Are there any special rules/ options for captains now? Like taking artificer armor or if taking a jump pack/bike unlocks them as troops?! No options for this sadly. Info on the Assault Squads please. Load outs especially. The EXACT same as Codex Space marines, no difference at all. What are the exact stats for the frag cannon? Strength 6, AP -, Assault 2, Rending Mate - do you mean our RAS lost their meltaguns? And...the Frag cannon is just 2 shots now, no flame template? 0_o Thanks in advance! Snorri Edit: PLEASE - tell me that there's arty armour for captains. I'll go mad if that's not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 So no more melta for ASM then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddywarcrimes Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Interesting. Without the meltaguns, ASM lose out big to gravbikers, MM attack bikes, and double MM landspeeders as a source of fast moving high quality firepower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Assault Marines can get Melta and flamer and plas, grav pistols serg only but no grav guns at all Frag cannon is still the same as it was but is a 5pt upgrade Captains can get Art Armour same price as Vanilla Priest is 1 per slot. No FnP bubble only Narthecium which works identically to C:SM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Is the command squad apothecary the same as a sanguinary priest? FNP and +1 WS? Or just the FNP? Does the FNP stack in any way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Any news on the Veteran Assault Squads? Snorri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Danse Macabre Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Also ElectricPaladin, the priests are 1 to 1 slot for HQ, no more 3 to one choice sadly. So no more melta for ASM then? Apologies, thats a over sight by me, its the exact same as the marines codex with that exception. Melta is the same price as is on tacticals. Hate the new codex lay out. But no, for 115 points you can get a DP with 5 ASM's, 1 Combi and 2 regular meltas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Also ElectricPaladin, the priests are 1 to 1 slot for HQ, no more 3 to one choice sadly. So no more melta for ASM then? Apologies, thats a over sight by me, its the exact same as the marines codex with that exception. Melta is the same price as is on tacticals. Hate the new codex lay out. But no, for 115 points you can get a DP with 5 ASM's, 1 Combi and 2 regular meltas. Thank God!!! You scared the crap out of me as I was watching all my optimism crumbling around me. I actually heard the sigh of relief from around the entire internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Also ElectricPaladin, the priests are 1 to 1 slot for HQ, no more 3 to one choice sadly. I figured. How about the priest in the command squad. Is he a full priest? +1 WS and 5+ FNP? Oh, also, is the sanguinary guard still leaderless? Or do they now have a sergeant equivalent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 What's up with Lemartes? Jump Pack optional or does it come with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Thank God that's great! Thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Danse Macabre Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Having t o type, and check at the same time is not easy when keeping up with posts. Is the command squad apothecary the same as a sanguinary priest? FNP and +1 WS? Or just the FNP? Does the FNP stack in any way? Just FNP but for free I ain't going to complain. Any news on the Veteran Assault Squads? Snorri Good news here, nearly the same as Regular marines however, for the price of a power weapon you can get a Grav pistol, Inferno Pistol or Plasma pistol. Or for the Price of a Melta Gun you can get a hand flamer. This can be done for every squad member. Also it reads: "any model may replace his bolt pistol and/or chainsword with" You can double up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsijben Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 So we can take two special weapons on 5 ASM? That's.. That is.. *feints* That is one of the most awesome things I've heard in the last two days! It's a gigantic amount of Melta for just a few points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Danse Macabre Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Also ElectricPaladin, the priests are 1 to 1 slot for HQ, no more 3 to one choice sadly. So no more melta for ASM then? Apologies, thats a over sight by me, its the exact same as the marines codex with that exception. Melta is the same price as is on tacticals. Hate the new codex lay out. But no, for 115 points you can get a DP with 5 ASM's, 1 Combi and 2 regular meltas. Thank God!!! You scared the crap out of me as I was watching all my optimism crumbling around me. I actually heard the sigh of relief from around the entire internet. Sorry mate, really having to try and keep up here. Also ElectricPaladin, the priests are 1 to 1 slot for HQ, no more 3 to one choice sadly. I figured. How about the priest in the command squad. Is he a full priest? +1 WS and 5+ FNP? Oh, also, is the sanguinary guard still leaderless? Or do they now have a sergeant equivalent? Not a priest, pretty much a trainee, FNP only before he gets used to having his bodyguard gone. ;) No leader in the Guard, each is a legend onto themselves, in truth though that would likely be the banner bearer as thats as close as your going to get. :P What's up with Lemartes? Jump Pack optional or does it come with him? Only gets +1 strength and attack now when wounded, still 2 wounds and jump pack comes with, no choice. Also still AP 4... So we can take two special weapons on 5 ASM? That's.. That is.. *feints* That is one of the most awesome things I've heard in the last two days! It's a gigantic amount of Melta for just a few points. Mate if i'm readying this correct we can use our Vanguard Vets the same as sister of battle use seraphim. Duel wielding special weapons. 10 guys, 20 infernus pistols and dante drop in, no scatter... Hell even with 20 flamers thats amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsijben Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/BL/blog/2014/dec/09/codex-ba-7.png This seems to be new information, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 So grav, but no plasmaguns on regular jumpers? What are the stats on furioso and lib dreads? Both WS5? BS4 or 5? Number of attacks? Base cost on scout bikers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Dude do not apologize. We appreciate it!!! http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/BL/blog/2014/dec/09/codex-ba-7.png This seems to be new information, right? Yep. What do those 3 special rules do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Plasma but no grav on regular jumpers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meniscusmike Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Cost of astrorath? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Can command squads take... jump packs? bikes? terminator armor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascalnz Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 actually, pretty much covered all of this earlier in the thread:). but that formation grants obsec and +1 ini on the charge as well as the ubiquitous reroll warlord trait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 So the red thirst is... which of those please and same question to the angels virtue? Also, are sanguinary guard same stats as before and are their swords still just two handed master crafted weapons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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