Charlo Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I just read all 82 pages of this forum and it took me three days and I must say I can't WAIT TO KILL EVERYTHING MY 80 DEATH COMPANY will be put to good use especially with meph add another librarian quickening on two squids of 15 DC and throw in two tacts and DP my ASMs with melta meltas +1 INT +1 STR WHOLE ARMY CAN I GET AN AMMMMENNNNNNN IM SO EXCITED FOR THIS CODEX IVE BEEN WAITING SINCE I WAS 15 FOR A NEW ONE OMG I LOVE B&C for such a great forum/community! everything I own is going to be thrown into a apoc game at my house im hosting against my uncle who has 10k pts nids and I have 10kpts Blood Angels AND IM GOIN TO charge him with everything and beat him to a pulp in melee #TOOEXCITED Kill main burn? I just love the unrelenting joy of this almost single sentence I feel the same brother! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 There's just so many ways to wreck face it's not even funny (or is it!) I'm so glad we got such a cc buff even if we lost jumpers as troops...and just imagine what will happen when 8th edition hits and overwatch is removed together with random charge distance Edit: Kill maim burn is borderline heretic, don't say that aloud near a chaplain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 ....I must say I can't WAIT TO KILL EVERYTHING....everything I own is going to be thrown into a apoc game at my house im hosting against my uncle who has 10k pts nids and I have 10kpts Blood Angels AND IM GOIN TO charge him with everything and beat him to a pulp in melee #TOOEXCITED Kill main burn? Any Chaplains around? Our brother here is most definitely showing the signs, and should be added to the already swelling ranks of the B&C Death Company. Â :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 ....I must say I can't WAIT TO KILL EVERYTHING....everything I own is going to be thrown into a apoc game at my house im hosting against my uncle who has 10k pts nids and I have 10kpts Blood Angels AND IM GOIN TO charge him with everything and beat him to a pulp in melee #TOOEXCITED Kill main burn? Any Chaplains around? Our brother here is most definitely showing the signs, and should be added to the already swelling ranks of the B&C Death Company. I think Knife and Fork is in charge of the Reclusiam with my retirement and subsequent dreadnought internment. He can handle DC duties now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Nah that's just a wee bit of red thirst, every son of Sanguinius has that once in a while. You should watch for when he starts seeing the Imperial Palace. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just4uCupCake Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I just read all 82 pages of this forum and it took me three days and I must say I can't WAIT TO KILL EVERYTHING MY 80 DEATH COMPANY will be put to good use especially with meph add another librarian quickening on two squids of 15 DC and throw in two tacts and DP my ASMs with melta meltas +1 INT +1 STR WHOLE ARMY CAN I GET AN AMMMMENNNNNNN IM SO EXCITED FOR THIS CODEX IVE BEEN WAITING SINCE I WAS 15 FOR A NEW ONE OMG I LOVE B&C for such a great forum/community! everything I own is going to be thrown into a apoc game at my house im hosting against my uncle who has 10k pts nids and I have 10kpts Blood Angels AND IM GOIN TO charge him with everything and beat him to a pulp in melee #TOOEXCITED Kill main burn? I just love the unrelenting joy of this almost single sentence I feel the same brother! Lol I apologize for the huge run on sentence but i can't bottle up my excitement much longer! My girlfriend and I have been reading this forum closely (she doesn't play but she wanted to know what to buy me for christmas hehe) I'm happily getting two new tact boxes two rhinos Mephy two librarians and le Sang guard edition for codex. But my friend truly today is a day to rejoice in the emperors and sanguinious's name! (lol i think I spelled my Primarchs name wrong) I'm literally rushing everything across the field ASAP and charging everything first chance i get. I'm going to be running down everyone with pitch forks and torches screaming Burn em Burn the Witch Burn em with my new Hvyflr Tacts (evil laugh here) Im popping a bottle of champagne tonight in Le celebration God bless this forum and the joy and excitement it has given me I havent been this happy for christmas in years Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reldn Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Okay, so... Sleep deprivation is in full swing and the coffee has yet to take effect... I know that DC can be either have JP or regular backpack. Do Assault Marines still get the choice to go JP or regular backpack? Â I'm mainly asking because I currently have 15 of 20 Assault Marines magnetized, and if they remain JP only now, then I can spare the magnets for weaponry and other squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I am quite interested in the idea of using command squads as a melta delivery system. The price is about 30 points higher than simmilarly tooled assault squads but they have several advantages.  • FNP and Company Champion built-in. • Veteran stats. • Do not use up an FA slot (leaves it free for grav bikers).  I know they can take JPs at the same price per-head as melta bombs. Can they also take pods for alpha-striking? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Okay, so... Sleep deprivation is in full swing and the coffee has yet to take effect... I know that DC can be either have JP or regular backpack. Do Assault Marines still get the choice to go JP or regular backpack?  I'm mainly asking because I currently have 15 of 20 Assault Marines magnetized, and if they remain JP only now, then I can spare the magnets for weaponry and other squads.  ASM can remove jump packs and take a Rhino or Drop Pod for free. No Razorbacks for you! (Soup Nazi style) I am quite interested in the idea of using command squads as a melta delivery system. The price is about 30 points higher than simmilarly tooled assault squads but they have several advantages.  • FNP and Company Champion built-in. • Veteran stats. • Do not use up an FA slot (leaves it free for grav bikers).  I know they can take JPs at the same price per-head as melta bombs. Can they also take pods for alpha-striking?  I believe this was confirmed, they can take Rhino, Razorback and Drop Pod as dedicated Transport. Even if they couldn't, you could have bought a Drop Pod as a FA vehicle and mount them in it during deployment. Rest easy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorBlack Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 just wrote up my 1850 point list for the new dex!! Despite all the Dante gushing, I think that the new IC Meph (with point reduction) is a huge boon the army. Meph's biggest challenge was overcoming his non-IC status. The Corbulo star helped him a lot, but with IC now, it is unnecessary. In a pod with 9 DC, he is a big force multiplier for them. DC axes can deal with AP2 which is mephs biggest shortfall. Aside from monsters like Abaddon and Draigo, not much is going to stand up to this unit! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I think I'm going to have to convert some Grav Jet bikers I do love bikes and just imagine Grav Bikers with a Priest Attached?!? Blast people into oblivion then Charge them with WS/I/S 5! ...Plus it goes with my fluff a little better. I have to ask tho bro's, what is "Alpha-Strike"? I see it mentioned a lot but really have no clue as I'm only just getting back into everything this edition! EDIT: Also, the Tycho nerfs have just hit me why lose the dead man's hand?! It's such a cool part of his model. I guess it's to keep the AP2 at initiative for the Master of our Bloody Chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reldn Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Awesome, thanks. Looks like I'll go ahead and magnetize my last five Assault Marines when I get them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Nah that's just a wee bit of red thirst, every son of Sanguinius has that once in a while. You should watch for when he starts seeing the Imperial Palace. His words were genuinely refreshing! And after all that is the only way to play with this new dex - clever but brutal use of a fast and aggressive force. BA are the Bruce Lee of 40k now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mapple Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Like @InquisitorBlack said, I see Mephy as Warlord, Priest/Corbulo as 2nd, and Dante as LoW being the 500 points base of most lists. That's so much utility, toolboxy, army buffing power in just those 3 models, all you need is delivery systems and some kind of support/first strike to set those guys up. It really is the Assault and Character codex now, despite Wolves getting 2HQ per slot.  I'm really excited for this edition and codex. I have a big GT in March I got to paint a tactical squad for, but that's about it. I'm pretty sure I'll be running alternative detachments, between the Flesh Tearers or the Baal Strike Force, as the benefits really are worth the loss of Obj Sec. My usual strategy is "kill the troops" anyways, as they're usually easier kills than others. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I have to ask tho bro's, what is "Alpha-Strike"? I see it mentioned a lot but really have no clue as I'm only just getting back into everything this edition! The term "alpha-strike" is generally used to imply a powerful first hit in the game. The idea is take out (or seriously damage) one or more important enemy units before they have really had a chance to use them. Â The easiest and most popular form of alpha strike is normally a drop pod containing a unit with several melta guns. Since some drop pods arrive on turn 1, this gives the Marine player the chance to take out a couple of vehicles (before the enemy has even moved if Marines go first). This gets the marine player "first blood" and also deprives the enemy of a unit before they have even had a chance to move or fire. Â Some armies are more vulnerable to this tactic than others. Nids for example lack vehicles or any powerful units that can reaslistically be killed in one hit. Players expecting to face Monstrous creatures often field plasma or grav guns instead of melta as these are better at killing multi-wound creatures. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 BA are the Bruce Lee of 40k now. Be blood my friend! what is "Alpha-Strike"? It makes reference to hitting very hard very fast. Drop pod units loaded on special weapons are a sample of an alpha-strike unit, because they can't be destroyed before they come, they land close to their target, and they're supposed to make a lot of damage. Drop pod armies rely heavily on this alpha-strike crippling their enemy, because later on they lose part of the punch. Most armies have a small alpha-strike element to destroy key enemy elements and draw attention from the rest of the army, that will become more effective on later turns. Or so I've read Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Like @InquisitorBlack said, I see Mephy as Warlord, Priest/Corbulo as 2nd, and Dante as LoW being the 500 points base of most lists. That's so much utility, toolboxy, army buffing power in just those 3 models, all you need is delivery systems and some kind of support/first strike to set those guys up. It really is the Assault and Character codex now, despite Wolves getting 2HQ per slot.  I'm really excited for this edition and codex. I have a big GT in March I got to paint a tactical squad for, but that's about it. I'm pretty sure I'll be running alternative detachments, between the Flesh Tearers or the Baal Strike Force, as the benefits really are worth the loss of Obj Sec. My usual strategy is "kill the troops" anyways, as they're usually easier kills than others. Mephy was warlord over Dante? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Dante won't help your reserves if he's not warlord...What's Meph's warlord trait?...Is it the adamantium will one? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainblow Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Dante being a LOW and all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 yeah it is. Â Dante should have the heresy style 'jealous command' rule meaning he HAS to be warlord if included IMO. (all chapter masters should - if you have two, then you pick which one) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorBlack Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 yea, meph's warlord trait not great, as he'll already be a 'better' psycher than most opponents and dispelling on a 4+. A 3+ is totally unnecessary as no one will target him with spells. Â I plan to run Meph with a lvl 2 libby (and an allied GK level 3) in a 7 drop pod alpha list. It's tempting to make the level 2 the warlord for a potentially better trait, but Meph protects 'slay the warlord' so much better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Danse Macabre Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Well its good that the Baal Detachment force can take 2 HQ and a LOW for Dante, personally though I am loving the combo options in this book. Â On a sad fluff note however, there is some great artwork and covers of sucessor chapters, no Lamenters however. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
girot Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I spit my coffee all over my computer when I saw this...   http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7hzMfANrFb4/VFzNv1Gqb3I/AAAAAAAABHU/QYQym_G1ZGQ/s1600/163734_md-Blood%2BAngels%2C%2BBrofist%2C%2BFist%2BBump%2C%2BFistbump%2C%2BHumor%2C%2BNecrons.jpg  Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 That picture alone makes me want to build a small detachment of Necrons, but then I remember Filthy Xenos must die! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 500pts in 3 characters? lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/83/#findComment-3886832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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