[HH1.0] The Sons of Barbarus : A Death Guard Tactica Thread

[Charlo]

Keeping anti tank fluffy.

 

So brothers of Barbarus (or Terra as it were).

 

Tanks, how do you deal with them? In a fluffy and effective way? Currently I'm sitting on liberal Melta bomb sergeants, grave wardens chain Fists and HSS missile launchers with a tank hunting siege breaker attached so they can at least glance Spartans front etc.

 

What do you suggest? Prefer to not drop pod myself!

[1ncarnadine]

Keeping anti tank fluffy.

 

So brothers of Barbarus (or Terra as it were).

 

Tanks, how do you deal with them? In a fluffy and effective way? Currently I'm sitting on liberal Melta bomb sergeants, grave wardens chain Fists and HSS missile launchers with a tank hunting siege breaker attached so they can at least glance Spartans front etc.

 

What do you suggest? Prefer to not drop pod myself!

 

You actually won't be able to even glance flare shielded Spartans. Guess how many Spartans are flare shielded? Missile launchers are kind of bad at anti-tank. Their utility on things like Tyrant Siege Terminators is different, because those are relentless 4++ beasts with 2 shots per, that will in all likelihood be directing their fire at non-Spartan targets for the most part. But ML HSS... eh. I have a 10-man squad that got shelved pretty fast, and I got them with the same idea of "Mortarion makes them Poison, might as well right?" Nooo. Heavy flamers or possibly Culverins, if you must.

 

The other problem with the AT you're considering is that they all rely on getting into b2b with tanks, which by the time you're on top of them with regular infantry, will likely have done their jobs either through several rounds of shooting you or having delivered their cargos.

 

Look into more reliable ranged AT, like Las/Grav Rapiers, Las vindis, Venators. If you're running the Reaping there's that one very crucial fast attack slot that you can fill with a variety of options. Melta-bomb jetbikes or outriders are an option to get those bombs to vehicles faster. Graviton Land Speeders can work too, but they're essentially a suicide unit. There's always the Graviton Breacher + Vigilator Scout move, which isn't as cool for us as it is for RG/AL, but can still put that 18" Haywire threat bubble a little closer. Alternatively, having trouble getting your Rapiers set up for shots? Vigilator.

 

Oh, and Outriders can Scout too, which is helpful. Jetbikes get Deep Strike but we don't reap that way. Remember, we can't afford to waste time reaping slowly; we have entire planets to cull.

[Memento Of Prospero]

Dealing with spartans at range amounts to how good are you at setting up crossfire positions. It's a very narrow lunchbox, so flanking in with firing lanes isn't that hard.

 

Things like laser destroyer vindicators and venators will take care of it once it gets midboard quite easy.

 

Hell, lascannon heavy weapons teama with Morturg can get real nice positioning for that.

Edited October 29, 2015 by Wolf_Pack

[Charlo]

Yeah, laser vindicators are fluffy and pretty great. And we can take them in numbers and still use heavy squads as troops. I like it.

[v6v77]

Anything las rapiers can do thudd gun rapiers can do better bar rolling for explode results.

 

But again flare shielded spartan mess them up.

[1000 Sons]

Fluffy anti-tank I would agree with laser rapiers.  Foot slogging artillery just screams Death Guard.  If the rapiers can't deal with it, chain fist grave wardens.

[Raktra]

Basilisks too. Remember, it'll count as hitting side armour, so no Flare Shield safety for you.

[Caillum]

^^ Medusae would be much better for this. Shorter range, but no minimum range and higher strength/lower AP.

[WolfOfHorus]

Using pie plates to take out Spartans is a waste.

[Caillum]

Using pie plates to take out Spartans is a waste.

Yeah, true. But you can't fit everything in a list, and Medusae cover a few bases, so I think they're good. 3 Medusae cost only a little more than 6 graviton Rapiers - while the Rapiers will end a Spartan in 1 turn (with direct LoS), the Medusae can be effective against a range of targets (and have Barrage for optional indirect fire). If you can take both, even better. :)

 

The other reason I like them is they're not quite "cookie cutter" yet. The power choices (graviton stuff, melta Preds, Typhons, etc) are good in any Legion. The real challenge comes from making a list fluffy AND strong. Medusae (and any artillery) are fluffy for Death Guard and are also strong enough to counter some of their weaknesses.

[Charlo]

Yeah Medusas are on my list (as some of you have seen) but the more I fiddle around with it the more I want to drop them!

 

I can't seen to get a gauge on the lightning model... Is is a similar size to a Nephelim? Would that make a good count as

[1000 Sons]

I can't seen to get a gauge on the lightning model... Is is a similar size to a Nephelim? Would that make a good count as

The nephelim does have the reverse angled wings, a little filing and green stuff work should make it fine.

[Raktra]

^^ Medusae would be much better for this. Shorter range, but no minimum range and higher strength/lower AP.

I forgot they were barrage too.

[Charlo]

 

 

^^ Medusae would be much better for this. Shorter range, but no minimum range and higher strength/lower AP.

I forgot they were barrage too.

Nucino Vox hoooOoo!

[Plasma-freak]

What do you guys think?

 

Praetor:

 

Jump Pack,

Barbaran Thurible

Rad Grenades

Iron Halo

 

Master of the Legion: the reaping

 

Assault squad

2xPower swords, meltabombs

 

Comes out at about 500pts and is killing marines on 2+. Also makes hammer of wrath at 2+ and is pretty quick for a reaping unit.

Edited November 4, 2015 by Plasma-freak

[Slips]

500 points for 11(21?) MEQ Bodies.

 

Awesome on paper but killed off rather easily by stuff that costs nowhere near as much even if we discount Super Heavy Solutions such as the Typhon or, for +100 Points to this Squad, a Glaive.

 

You'd be better off running the Preator in TDA alongside a TDA equipped squad in a Spartan/Land Raider. More expensive but much tougher / takes more effort to wipe out.

 

You can, however, do something silly that was highlighted in the DG section of the 1d4chan article:

 

 

• Toughness Zero InstaKill: Multiple Rad grenades don't stack, but you can combine it with the Barbaran Thurible and allied Mechanicum Scyllax' 'Rad Furnance' to become -3T and instantly erase anything weaker than a marine, like those nasty tarpit units like Militia MeLee Levy and Thrall squads. Outside of killing tarpits quickly, this trick is of limited use because not only you're comitting 3 units to combat a single squad (very inefficient use of points and needs careful maneuvering of units that cannot run), but also your units can be fired at because you killed the enemy too fast, and the Thurible weakens your Scillax. But such is the price to pay for KILLING WITH BUT A MEAN LOOK.

Edited November 5, 2015 by Slipstreams

[Charlo]

While obviously situational, instakilling pretty much all Eldar is hilarious.

 

Bye bye seer council!

[Memento Of Prospero]

Why try to stack thoughness debuffs when a bolter does the job?

[Hesh Kadesh]

Because bolters are boring and useless against anything that isn't an Eldar guardian/2pt Militia.

[Charlo]

Why try to stack thoughness debuffs when a bolter does the job?

I think the main thing is use against giant guard blobs or levvies with rending that would otherwise be a pain. Rare, but useful. It is a gimmick, but a funny one.

 

Will be a lot easier when Skitaari get to the Heresy assuming they are similar :)

 

Updated my list thread too if you brothers of Barbarus want to check it out. Went with some destroyers as they just seem incredible for the reaping.

[1000 Sons]

Does anyone use terminators other then the Death Shround and Grave Wardens ?  The plastic 5 man unit in the Calth box has me thinking of adding them to my current 5 man Grave Warden squad to have 10 wandering around the table.  10 Grave Wardens in a Spartan sounds like all kinds of fun

[Charlo]

Does anyone use terminators other then the Death Shround and Grave Wardens ? The plastic 5 man unit in the Calth box has me thinking of adding them to my current 5 man Grave Warden squad to have 10 wandering around the table. 10 Grave Wardens in a Spartan sounds like all kinds of fun

I think it's possible to be a great unit, the main issue is the use of two heavy support slots and then using wardens as what I see being a premier defensive unit.

 

Can deffo work though, they're just not anything massively better than normal terms on the attack!

[1000 Sons]

Wasn't thinking two 5 man squads of grave wardens, one 10 man squad.  The other idea is to just have a 5 man terminator (elite) squad doing whatever it is that regular termies do.

[Charlo]

The Spartan is a heavy support choice though isn't it? Or can they take it as dedicated? :O

[Slips]

The Spartan is a heavy support choice though isn't it? Or can they take it as dedicated?

Squads of 6+ Terminators and 11+ Breachers can take Spartans as Dedicateds.