[HH1.0] 30k Ultramarines tactics

[Hesh Kadesh]

Flank the tanks and he has no alternative.

The way my rolling works, I can dependably one-shot vehicles if my gun is big enough, so I think I'll stick to the hunters.

I'll refuse to take rapiers on the principle that they're the everyman's crutch for the win. Plus I never have points for them, don't like using static artillery, etc...:P

Technically you can put a Cataphract Centurion with them and walk them.

[Seahawk]

I'm figuring at 2k, if he has his super eggs in a basket approach (which he's done so far), that's about 1000 points of spartan doom rolling at me. Bait it with my own primarch in the middle, then send the Venators up the flanks for dissuasion.

 

A vindicator can at least go 6" a turn, or 12 if you give it PotMS...but then it costs nearly as much as the Venator.

[Flint13]

^A demolisher vindicator can more 6" or 12" with a machine spirit, but the laser destroyer variant has to remain stationary if it wants to fire more than a single shot.

[Frostmourne]

And Vindicator Legion Destroyers do look absolutely amazing.

[Seahawk]

^A demolisher vindicator can more 6" or 12" with a machine spirit, but the laser destroyer variant has to remain stationary if it wants to fire more than a single shot.

Ooooh yea, that sucks balls. Thanks for putting the last nail in for me!

[GreyCrow]

Yeah, Vindicators regardless of the variant seems to be more to pin the enemy in cover and deny board control than hunting tanks like Sicarans. I feel the Laser Vindicator was specifically constructed to punish Rhinos/Land Raiders/Spartan (without Flare shield) tanks that want to advance (and don't hang back in cover benefitting from a 4+ save). Well, okay, technically they can pop smoke, but still A single Vindicator Laser will zap a Rhino out of cover (2.59 penetrating hits, each having a 33% chance of blowing it up), and has a decent chance of immobilizing a Land Raider.

Likewise, Vindicators are great to force infantry into cover due to their high propensity to zap a squad.

 

Sicarans and Venators, being Fast Tanks with decent weapon are actually more adept at tank hunting due to the ability to move 12" to get a better shot (side shot preferably or front shot without the 25% obscuration) and firing dual Laser sponsoons or the main Neutron on the Venator.

Edited December 8, 2015 by GreyCrow

[Captain Idaho]

Sicarian tanks with Guilliman are fiendish.

[Frostmourne]

Any point taking Fulmentarus Terminators if you aren't going to use the Cyclones?

[1ncarnadine]

Any point taking Fulmentarus Terminators if you aren't going to use the Cyclones?

 

Absolutely. Tank hunting combi-meltas in a Dreadclaw?

[Frostmourne]

Well that's true in of itself. Expensive way to make sure a tank dies though Edited December 8, 2015 by Frostmourne

[Caillum]

Guilliman does a lot more than just Tank Hunters...

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307855-30k-ultramarines-tactics/?p=4233968

[1ncarnadine]

Guilliman does a lot more than just Tank Hunters...

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307855-30k-ultramarines-tactics/?p=4233968

 

This is true. You could make your Fulmentarus scoring, so that they can come down and blast something and then march onto an objective. Guilliman's rule add-on utility goes on forever. But they're still getting Tank Hunters from their targeters. :D

 

The missile launcher option just seems waaaay too expensive though. Yeah, you have a potentially devastating unit, but it starts to cost as much as a Spartanstar...

[Ishagu]

Guilliman is so damn good. He adds so much utility to the army I'd genuinely find it hard not to include him.

 

At over 2k I'll ally in Solar Auxilia for access to Super Heavy vehicles that don't use my LoW slot :-)

[Slips]

Dont forget that reapers are still S7 2 shots Twin-linked.

 

Not as uber as CMLs but can do some work. The 36" is what limits them though.

[GreyCrow]

Dont forget that reapers are still S7 2 shots Twin-linked.

 

Not as uber as CMLs but can do some work. The 36" is what limits them though.

 

With BS5 though I'd rather one more strength and one more AP than twin linked. At BS4 though, it might be more arguable.

 

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On the topic of Guilliman, he's got some awesome rules for sure ! But am I the only one to find his model sucky compared to other Primarchs ? (Perhaps it's the FW photos that don't do him justice...). For some reason, he looks to shy away from the fight rather than being in it. His pose is very stiff and static, I understand they went for the statuesque look for him, but fielding him like that doesn't really capture the essence of him in a battle. I understand Mr Egan wanted to capture more than just the martial side of the character, but his pose makes him look like solely as an army buffer and visionnary while he isn't only that. The fighter and "practical" aspect isn't really well shown and I think the sculpt misses half the character :/

Is it actually easy to convert Primarchs ? Bending his torso forward a bit as well as flexing his legs a tad more would go a long way.

[Slips]

But if were talking cost, its saving you a bunch of points per terminator. If the S8 and Ap3 is worth that much to you go ahead. However, cost concerns for the squad were raised so these are a slightly less list-busting alternative.

[Hesh Kadesh]

It saves a bit (50ish pts), but a Cyclone Terminator keeps their Combi Bolter for added AI.

 

That said, if you wanted rocket vomit, you don't UM, you PotL Tyrants. Individually not as good, but saves you a ton of of points.

[Frostmourne]

The more I look at it I think the Fulmentarus could perform a decent melee tank wrecker if deployed properly and still be 'that threat' that terminators always seem to be. Edited December 8, 2015 by Flint13
Keeping it classy

[Ishagu]

Grey, I really love the Roboute model.

I don't like the official paint job as he looks a bit pale and darkened around the eyes.

 

His pose is similar to Horus, looking inspiring and heroic.

I imagine him simply dispatching an adversary with a quick flick of his sword as opposed to roaring into battle like others might.

 

You can see the Guilliman in my sig looks more healthy :-)

[Hesh Kadesh]

I'm not entirely sure if that wasn't the whole point, regarding his jaunt in space.

[Frostmourne]

I always hoped he would be mid duel with Lorgar or Kurze.

You'd also think someone somewhere would have made third party Primarch sized helmets for those who hate bare heads :,(

[Ishagu]

Only other pose I'd take is him dueling with both Lorgar and Angron simultaneously, or beheading Alpharius/Omegon :-P

[GreyCrow]

Grey, I really love the Roboute model.

I don't like the official paint job as he looks a bit pale and darkened around the eyes.

 

His pose is similar to Horus, looking inspiring and heroic.

I imagine him simply dispatching an adversary with a quick flick of his sword as opposed to roaring into battle like others might.

 

You can see the Guilliman in my sig looks more healthy :-)

 

Yeah, I like your paintjob much better than the official one ;) Kudos on that !

 

I can see your point, but I really think the head pose is off. He looks like he's stargazing and totally not present on the battlefield and his mind definitely not seem there :P . Is there a way to tilt the head downwards a bit on the model by adding a bit of greenstuff behind the neck or is it casted with the torso ?

 

I mean, he looks great in a decorative pose, but on the battlefield I just feel he'd look wrong compared to any other Primarch, really. Even Lorgar feels more like his head is in the game :P

[Ishagu]

Yeah you can tilt his head any way you want and maybe change the sword arm direction...

 

Remember Guilliman was the master of multitasking . Maybe he fights without looking at his adversary? :-P

Edited December 8, 2015 by Ishagu

[Frostmourne]

I even found that Using Polux on the table. That he looked a little 'out of it' so to speak.

 

So I am nervous using a mighty statesmen such as Guilliman and next to such heroically awesome models like Suzerains!