Quixus Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Everyone remember when GW FAQed the previous Dark Angel codex to keep them on-par with 6th edition codex marines? Nope? Me neither. I remember them updating the BT storm shields to the version the rest of marines have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4080910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I suggest that we constantly email GW rule grots with questions like "Can BA furiosos form squads of 3" or "Do Vanguard Veterans get fleet with their heroic intervention" etc. The answer will likely be no but if enough people constantly message them about it, they can at least consider caving and writing an errata to cover it. Kind of a different strategy than mailing them and asking why they hate blood angels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4080917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rezin70 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Everyone remember when GW FAQed the previous Dark Angel codex to keep them on-par with 6th edition codex marines? Nope? Me neither. I remember them updating the BT storm shields to the version the rest of marines have. This may be the case in the past, but it seems GW has a new method in how they develop and deploy rules. I mean we have been spammed with rule updates for the past 6 months. So I would say an errata is totally possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4080941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I think it's as likely to be a new codex release in 6-12 months as anything else honestly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4080965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I suggest that we constantly email GW rule grots with questions like "Can BA furiosos form squads of 3" or "Do Vanguard Veterans get fleet with their heroic intervention" etc. The answer will likely be no but if enough people constantly message them about it, they can at least consider caving and writing an errata to cover it. Kind of a different strategy than mailing them and asking why they hate blood angels. Seconded. Emailing them with stupid questions like these(I mean it's obvious that BA's don't get the stuff, but hey) will have them make a FAQ sooner rather than later. I wouldn't bet on anything to be included, though. But man, the VAS sound amazingly cheap and good. I wonder why they didn't include that in our codex. I think it's as likely to be a new codex release in 6-12 months as anything else honestly With the current release schedule(how old was C:SM again?), 18 months isn't too far-fetched actually. Snorri Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Still FAR too long. Unacceptably so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 "Do Furioso Dreadnoughts have 4 attacks like Codex Space Marines ones?" Ask that at least 100 times Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaweda Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Well. I'll be buying one of these dexes, but only because I've fancied have some imperial fist allies for my main BA army. Only thing I am sad we won't be getting soon is those vehicle squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 "Do Furioso Dreadnoughts have 4 attacks like Codex Space Marines ones?" Ask that at least 100 times ^^^^^^^^^^ This is so silly, actually. Dread with one fist and a non-CC weapon = 4 attacks. Dread with 2 fists and no non-CC weapon = 2 attacks. 3, rather, but still. Our dreads have become more expensive and only got WS5 and BS4. So many things that don't make sense anymore after this update. So that's how the Dark Angels felt back then.... Snorri Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucumon Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Well, we kinda have a 3x vehicle formation... and it requires 3x tactical squads... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle_Haydon Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 "Do Furioso Dreadnoughts have 4 attacks like Codex Space Marines ones?" Ask that at least 100 times ^^^^^^^^^^ This is so silly, actually. Dread with one fist and a non-CC weapon = 4 attacks. Dread with 2 fists and no non-CC weapon = 2 attacks. 3, rather, but still. Our dreads have become more expensive and only got WS5 and BS4. So many things that don't make sense anymore after this update. So that's how the Dark Angels felt back then.... Snorri Not only that but they felt the need to remove the bonus attacks from our Talons. Definitely feeling the sting now of being the last codex before a philosophy shift - it also makes me think that the Sanguine Wing formation's free weapons had the new vanilla Vanguard Vet weapon prices in mind. Suddenly instead of potentially 400 pts of 'free' wargear it's half that much. Sad to say I cannot see them fixing this before we get another codex and, given the timing, I suspect we'll be behind that curve for quite some time. At least we're still the best looking Astartes! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronhour Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 "Do Furioso Dreadnoughts have 4 attacks like Codex Space Marines ones?" Ask that at least 100 times ^^^^^^^^^^ This is so silly, actually. Dread with one fist and a non-CC weapon = 4 attacks. Dread with 2 fists and no non-CC weapon = 2 attacks. 3, rather, but still. Our dreads have become more expensive and only got WS5 and BS4. So many things that don't make sense anymore after this update. So that's how the Dark Angels felt back then.... Snorri screw dreads I want ws4 and bs4 scouts! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Man bros, I am just plain down about this! And to think, I was so happy not a couple months back! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 GW giveth and GW taketh away... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Eisenhorn Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I'm as bummed as he rest of you, but if you ever want this to change, don't buy the new codex. Get the cool new models, but that's it. It's never going to change until they feel the sting in sales. You can disagree with that approach but I'm done with buying rules that we have no guarantee of shelf life for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 If you play in a friendly environment (I hope you all do considering the state of the rules), you don't need GW to issue a FAQ. Get the agreement of your fellow players to use appropriate entries from the new SM dex. Re the DA in the days of 4++ Storm Shields and 1 shot CMLs. After pressure from DA players, Jervis sent an email more or less saying 'feel free to use whatever rules you want' or similar. A FAQ was eventually issued after a year (?). GW is so directionless with it's rules. Blanderise the GK/SW/BA codexes to remove the flavour and standardise as much as possible, and then go full disco with the main SM dex. It's lack of communication with the player base doesn't help either - a line in WD to say what their plans with GK/SW/BA are, and then issue a FAQ wouldn't hurt would it ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadDice0809 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Codex Space Marines got nice toys. So what. I didn't get into Blood Angels for the cheese. Started them in 6th just because Death Company seemed awesome and because they had the best fluff. That hasn't changed. Does it suck? A bit. But if you are the kind of guy who PLAYS TO WINN! 1! 1! 1 Blood Angels have not been that Army for YEARS now. You want that easy button, eldar are right over there next to necrons. If you are a true BA player you will fight your way through it- you'll probably lose a lot- but thems the breaks. Just makes the wins sweeter. I'll take losing with a BA force that is well painted and actually representative of Blood Angels over some grey plastic flavor of the month netlist bull**** every day of the week. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 It's less about that BadDice, it's more for years we had an outdated codex where things were over costed, misaligned and generally didn't make sense compared to the other marine books. It was a relic from a bygone age. 6 months since our glorious update, GW changes the game and we are left behind. Again. While we shouldn't get everything from the Marine Dex, we should have a Decurion and our units should be Base line the same for sure (scouts, vanguard, points cost, squads of vehicles). They could quite easily do it again too. The quickest (and most profitable) way for GW to amend this would be print the rules in WD for a Decurion and also put out and FAQ. possibly even say "refer to Marines codex" to sell more books, right? Digital edition could be updated too. Basically, it stings most because we got bought in line just as the line moved 10 miles in front, and the same can happen again. Sadly I don't think not buying the book will do much, look at the sisters campaign, not even an acknowledgement from GW and that was for buying models. I think we just need go bombard them with questions like stated previously. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Eisenhorn Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Regardless of my one man rules boycott's effect or lack thereof, GW will not get a red cent from me for rules again. Ever. I feel like they essentially lied and stole my money in December. They either knew they were going to invalidate the BA book in half a year when they released it, or they were incompetent enough not to. Either way I'm just steamed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Eisenhorn Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Also, Charlo, the fact that they could, as you say, "do it again" just underlines why I'm not buying Codexes anymore. Being asked to pay full price for books that are 90% the same and part of planned obsolescence where the schedule is either hidden or simply random is not where my $$ should be spent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I'm most definitely not buying the new marine codex. I will however, be picking up a pdf so I can print out the parts of the codex we should have had anyway, like the scouts, the dreads, and the vanguard. I only play casually these days, so anyone who doesn't like it, can shove it and find someone else to play. This is the 2nd codex in a row for BA that's been made irrelevant after 6 months. 6th edition, and now this. Sigh. Though anyone who thinks we have it as bad as our mistreated brothers of the first legion, they are mistaken. In order of screwing factions over, DA are trumped only by sisters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle_Haydon Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I'm most definitely not buying the new marine codex. I will however, be picking up a pdf so I can print out the parts of the codex we should have had anyway, like the scouts, the dreads, and the vanguard. I only play casually these days, so anyone who doesn't like it, can shove it and find someone else to play. This is the 2nd codex in a row for BA that's been made irrelevant after 6 months. 6th edition, and now this. Sigh. Though anyone who thinks we have it as bad as our mistreated brothers of the first legion, they are mistaken. In order of screwing factions over, DA are trumped only by sisters. This is what I'll be doing, since I only play with a close group of friends for narrative fun. As for the Dark Angels I'm hoping they get a stellar book as they've definitely earned it. Preferably one without the strange oddities like the Sword of Caliban, Nephilim issues, etc. I guess we'll see soon enough! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Is anyone really surprised by this? The merry go round has always been turning. Sometimes your at the top sometimes your at the bottom. We arnt at the bottom yet, and i dont think we ever hit the top. It was a really short ride though! If youve been a regular Ba player for a while you would be used to not being at the top. Ill continue playing my favourite chapter and optimistically look forward to the next codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Eisenhorn Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I admire your attitude Jorre but you deserve better! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I do as well Jorre, and I never was at the top, just love my BA, I loved them for their jump pack troops, cc focus, and gothic/renaissance theme, compared to the dark age feel of the DA, and the roman style of Ultras. Had them since their WD mini codex, and they deserve better than they have been getting. The big deal for me is the Vanguard, been wanting them to be good for so long. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/308340-wishful-thinking-new-sm-dex/page/8/#findComment-4081974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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