Jorre Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Yeah we do deserve better i agree, but I guess what I am trying to say is, if you want to have a top tear army and only play BA your going to almost always be disappointed. If we look back over history BA have had very little time on top, a short patch in 3rd ed before the wd dex and a nice competitive period in 5th (definitely not top tier though). In this current environment if you want a top tier army your amry must he water (Bruce lee quote) in other words your army has to change every time Gw changes. You really need to play multiple armies and be satisfied with playing multiples. If like me you are dedicated to only 1 or 2 armies or worse specific lists, you are always going to be disappointed. The way games workshop run things at the moment it really pays not to be out for the best of the best as youll always have to be upgrading or completely rebuilding you army. They really dont encourage loyalty to a single army anymore! Just my 2 cents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I don't even want to be on top with my BA, I just want them to be roughly on par with vanilla marines in playability and options. I'm personally glad we didn't for example get centurions, as I'm sure a whole bunch of people would've thrown together a list just to put them in our drop pods, with a spray coating of red. I wouldn't use them even if we had them. I'm glad we, or vanilla marines, become the uber broken faction of the month, I'll happily leave that to the filthy space elves and to a lesser extent necrons. Maybe if space elves are the only really retarded powerful codex this edition people will start to realize how stupid "competitive" 40k is. There just isn't a reason at all that some of these changes weren't included in the BA Dex, whereas with DA the problem was just over costing of pretty much everything that screwed them. But now we have a book that is literally not even 6th months old, with unit entries that are vastly different. Maybe GW will impress, and errata all the marine factions up to this standard, but if not, and the rumors are true, vanilla marines now do assault marines with jump packs, and dreads, better than us. And that's literally the reason most people picked up BA in the first place. Cause if not, GW has 2 options, release a entire new BA codex in the next 6 months, which will cause much gnashing of teeth, and rightfully so, or we are stuck with a sub par codex till next edition, just like when 6th hit. Unless you play with non-:cusss who will let you steal the rules updates, GW approved or not. Edit: If I'm cramming to much into this thread, just let me know, I'm home sick and can't sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Sadly I don't think not buying the book will do much, look at the sisters campaign, not even an acknowledgement from GW and that was for buying models. Just out of curiosity how many people actually participated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 GW famously don't listen to their customer base, or communicate with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrne Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Wonder if the data slate for stormwing will change? Still allowing other folk to use it / cheaper weapon costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Why wouldn't it be allowed to be used by everyone? That's how formations work. They can be used in any army. You would just have to watch for the levels of alliance. Since any unit with faction Armies of the Imperium is battle brothers with any other unit from that faction, there shouldn't be any problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I believe the Stormwing formation is in the new Codex. Have the rules or points changed? If they have then you should probably use the newer version. If not, fill yer boots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 I suggest that we constantly email GW rule grots with questions like "Can BA furiosos form squads of 3" or "Do Vanguard Veterans get fleet with their heroic intervention" etc. The answer will likely be no but if enough people constantly message them about it, they can at least consider caving and writing an errata to cover it. Kind of a different strategy than mailing them and asking why they hate blood angels. This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 They need to do a formation compilation or something. The disparate sources are getting out of hand and harder to acquire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 They need to do a formation compilation or something. The disparate sources are getting out of hand and harder to acquire. They shouldn't publish half finished codices and then charge extra money to get the complete product. But that's not gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Btw, GW added a bunch of stuff that previously was listed under Space Marines to the BA army list. Doesn't a reclusium command squad have a specific datasheet to use it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Yeah it was space marine exclusive previously. However it is effectively 'just' a chaplain and command squad, everything in it is usable for blood angels so I wouldn't read to much into it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Yeah it was space marine exclusive previously. However it is effectively 'just' a chaplain and command squad, everything in it is usable for blood angels so I wouldn't read to much into it I wasn't suggesting anything. I just couldn't remember if there was a datasheet somewhere at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 It was a Christmas calendar data sheet iirc. However it's also in the new marine codex I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Just out of curiosity how many people actually participated? About 25, I think. But by the magic of wishful thinking, at least one Sisters player managed to round that up to several tens of thousands who just hadn't mentioned they were taking part, or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 At what email does one contact the GW grots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Think they only have the one email now: custserv@gwplc.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 This page also lists gamefaqs@gwplc.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Email sent: "Dear Sir, We are currently at a disagreement with other players regarding how changes to unit profiles in the new Codex Adeptus Astartes Space Marines affects Codex Adeptus Astartes Blood Angels armies. Apparently, profiles for many units have changed. For example, Space Marine Scouts now have Weapon Skill 4 and Ballistic Skill 4, and Dreadnoughts have Attacks 4 as their profiles. Seeing as Blood Angels also are Codex Adeptus Astartes, am I correct to assume that the shared units have gotten statline changes to match the new Adeptus Astartes Space Marines profiles? In a similar vein, would I be correct to assume that Blood Angels vehicles can also be taken in squadrons? Clarifications would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Kind Regards," Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTzar Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I will be bet you get either no or useless answer ... all that GW cares is milking not feeding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 "PLAY WHAT YOU WANT IN YOUR PLAY GROUPS AT HOME!" will be the answer you get. Unfortunately all my games are either pick up games against strangers or competitive games in tournament settings. So I need a consistent set of current edition rules to use. It would be nice to see an Errata and FAQ released. Things like Vehicle Squadrons, access to the Grav Cannon for Devs/Tacs, Dread and Scout stat updates. Things that make sense as they should be uniform across books. It is really saddening to see people say 'I will wait optimistically for the next Codex' when one came out within the last few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I'm very well aware that all I'll get is junk but I just wanted to be a part of the mail pile up so that they at least get a sense of urgency about releasing a FAQ or errata. Even if it says no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 You forgot to ask for a pony. You can have grav-cannons and squadrons when you share Tactical heavy flamers, overcharged engines, and the good kind of Predator sponson brackets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 You forgot to ask for a pony. You can have grav-cannons and squadrons when you share Tactical heavy flamers, overcharged engines, and the good kind of Predator sponson brackets. Honestly, all I ask for are Scout stat lines and Dreadnought attacks errata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 The idea isn't to get an answer but to force GW to put out an FAQ. They will either concede and update the stats or explicitly state that we don't. I think most of us already know there ain't no way in hell the Rule Grotz will tell us yes but it may give them pause to consider letting us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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