Sigismund229 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Ow! It was still in this thread!? Yeah, somewhere around page 60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 Gyah! I hoped the Search function helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Update: tablet is getting fixed, but I've ended up in a town a few hundred km from there. My ability to find work for accommodation is still questionable, so I may have to get it couriered to me in a week or so's time.  Thought for the day: pray you never have to rely on a backpacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 And for my bit of bad news (we're not having a great week it seems), my left eye's cornea is apparently riddled with ulcers, so I can't bastard see anything. I'm actually dictating this to a friend. So I may be absent for a week or two, but that's worst-case scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 That puts my stuff in perspective. Get better soon Raktra, and hope whatever's up with Redd is resolved soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Jesus, that sounds awful Raktra. I hope you can get that thing fixed right quick, makes me cringe just thinking about it, get well soon brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I'm somewhat surprised that you think the Clans are more suspect than the getae, split apothacerion etc. I thought that seeing as the Orders were imposed by the Suzerainty, that would make it less frowned upon for someone to diverge from the standard Order organization. It's a treaty which weakened the Imperium and so I thought that, provided they still split down into Orders, most wouldn't really care how a legion's successor orders organized themselves. I might not be completely up to date with the orders split and the clans of the lions :-D However, I'll add more to my analysis then just the comparison with canon-verse. I see the "support structures" as mostly important on an internal level: they are vitally important to a chapter, but for the opponent, they don't make a massive difference - military power is still mostly held by the actual troops of an army. Changing these support elements would therefore have less of a visible effect for an outsider (librarians being a possible exception) Â However, changing the structure of the fighting force can have tremendous impact, especially if you are seemingly giving such a level of autonomy to different leaders within the order. Each leader could possibly have much greater power over his warriors, putting in doubt their loyalties: do they serve the imperium... or do they serve captain X? This concern over the discipline enforcement of an order would be of even greater import to a discipline fanatic like kozja. (Also, bare in mind this doubt is from an in-universe outsider point of view: I'm aware that the lions serve the emperor above all else) Â With the connection of the "codex" to a diplomatic treaty, the application of the codex becomes all the more important, simply because it could well be seen as a breach of the treaty were they to act otherwise - without noticing it, a few too many orders being a bit too radical over the book could even cause a war with the suzerainty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) @Thørn: You make good points and I suppose that given the plague of defections to the Insurrectionists early in the Insurrection, the issue of astartes being more loyal to their captains than their legion would still be fresh in everyone's mind. I'll see if I can think lf any arguments in favour of the Lions keeping their present organization(aside from promoting more rivalry between commanders than having companies with a fixed size does) and ways in which it could adapt to fixed companies. Plenty of time for that.  And hopefully when I get round to redoing my thread's first page you'll have easier access to the info on the Lions organization  @Raktra&@blunt: aw jeez...what with the problems I've been encountering recently(admittedly brought on me by myself), this is really not a good week for the BotL. Hope they sort themselves out/get sorted quickly! Edited January 6, 2017 by Sigismund229 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share Posted January 6, 2017 No, this doesn't seem to be our week. I'll pray that recover comes quickly to you Raktra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Woah, didn't see your post raktra, good luck with getting rid of nurgles blessing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I'm troubled by the issue of keeping the Emperor stuck on the throne and still having the Webway intact. Others may have a clearer image of MoM's early bits than me - has the Ten Thousand only just started to be pushed back once the Traitors begin to flood the Webway? Are the initial numbers of daemons not so great, but still continuous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Huh? And here I say it again: the webway is not intact. It was thorn apart when travier destroyed the wards. Â The negotiation are only for the humans to not uae them in the civil war as both know, thst the webway is absolutely important for humankinds future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Huh? And here I say it again: the webway is not intact. It was thorn apart when travier destroyed the wards. Â The negotiation are only for the humans to not uae them in the civil war as both know, thst the webway is absolutely important for humankinds future. I mist confess, I am also confused by this question. As Mikhal says, Travier has wrecked the webway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 It was with regard to the premise of Alex and Icarion agreeing not to use the Webway - that implies it was still useable, which puzzled me. Â So we assume the overall MoM situation is in place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted January 7, 2017 Author Share Posted January 7, 2017 It's a mix of the two. Since the Great Crusade lasts an extra couple of decades, the Emperor is able to build enough of the Webway to establish several nodes. When Travier makes his attack, it's at the Terra node, compromising it. However, the rest of the Webway is cut off before any of the daemons can get through. So, while the center of the Imperial Webway is filled with Traitors and daemons, there are other nodes and routes that are still functional and in the hands of both the Loyalists and the Traitors.  It's over those routes the treaty is being established for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Please no-one try and make stats for the First Murder daemon, thinking of MoM. I don't eeeever wanna see anything that scary on a tabletop D: simison 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 I'd be frightened enough if 30K Mechanicus happens and gets the Archimandrite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Scoria's broken enough as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Sorry for AWOLness. Work got heavy over Xmas and I've now earned myself a few days off. Currently sat in a bar in Brisbane and thought I'd try and check up on my vices. Sorry for not being in contact with anyone! MikhalLeNoir, ~Drakzilla~, simison and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Welcome back Hesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Missed ya Hesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Hellau!!!! Welcome back hesh, you missed a lot. Lot of changes. Gwal is now the emperor, hectarion is khorne and the steel legion are the borg. Â By the way: can you send me an instant asskicker-coffee starter-set? please. They originates from australia, right? Â ( for those who want to know: asskicker coffe has 5 gr coffein per portion. 10gr are deadly^^. Keps you awake for days.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 WB Hesh! Lot of things occurred. Lot of new faces but it was all worth it! :) Â Can't wait to see the Drowned rise again. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Welcome back Hesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 (edited) For clarity, I'm totally fine with the Webway stuff as I now understand it. Also raises interesting possibilities for the secret army - do they have access to Mars via the Aresian Path, or are they marooned from the Sol System? Edited January 7, 2017 by bluntblade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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