MikhalLeNoir Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Well, always remember, that you will be beaten, so Spotlights on you, so we can see your defeat in all ist glory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Grifftofer, have you got anyone to kill you yet? Perhaps Slaanesh could have an interest in you, but engineers your death/crippling in exchange for Morro's soul, while the rest of the Drowned turn renegade, realising that while Chaos is WRONG, the Emperor is also WRONG, (because Big letters) and so set out with the remainder of the revelutionaries im an attempt to reforge a Primarch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 We haven't picked any specific primarch to kill K'awil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Squig Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Are there any records of astartes becoming plague zombies? Â Because if so I'm thinking of going that way with the Godslayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Not that I am aware of. What's the fluff for plague zombies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Squig Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Pretty much the same as normal zombies. Â Supposedly the first case of it was in m41, although it's alluded that the inhabitants of Davin might have had a similar thing (I've been bingewatching the walking dead, hence the idea). Â But I think it might make an interesting trick on the part of Nurgle seeing as Koschei would not be particularly open to the idea of killing everyone with plagues. Â It could be that Koschei asks for all to be equal, and Nurgle delivers by turning them all into mindless animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Considering that most Khorne berserkers are depicted as blood-addicted maniacs, I don't see why Nurgle can't reduce plague marines to zombie status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Squig Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I'll write up some fluff on this later then, as it's a definitely a way of distinguishing my legion from the Soviet Russia Death Guard they risk becoming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Seems like a pretty cool idea to me. Kinda like the rubric with papa Nurgle involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Alright, time to address the opening move of the Betrayal. What we do know is that Dear'dd will go down fighting, crippling K'awil in particular.  But that leaves plenty else undecided.  Like Horus, Icarion won't be on the 'field' proper. Instead, him and an element (not sure of the size) will be at Madrigal where he'll declare his Independence and begin creating his counter-Imperium. Likewise, Alexandros will be on Terra when the Betrayal happens.  That still leaves 5 Loyalist Primarchs and 8 Traitors Primarchs. Actually, make that 7 since Alexos has to break down the Terran wards to keep the Emperor stuck on the Golden Throne during the Insurrection.  So, we're going to have a series 1 vs 1 for most of the initial battles with someone teaming up with K'awil to kill Daer'dd, and another 2 vs 1.  Raktra, since Khorne has his eyes on you, I think it would make a poetic kind of symmetry if you attacked Hectarion and his legion. In fact, I think we could have a really interesting storyline if Raktra continues to pursue Hectarion as Raktra becomes corrupted, constantly going flip-flopping from trying to kill Hectarion to trying to corrupt/unleash the Bloodthirster shard.   I'm seeing a massive fleet/underwater campaign as the two Ocean Primarchs, Pionus and Morro, have at it.  Kozja and Jade will be the other dual force, and their target will be Azus, trying to pin him down and execute him.  The Jackels will try to eradicate the Void Eagles, Willym and Yuchau facing off.  Coch'ise has the 'honor' of trying to eliminate Niklaas and the Fire Keepers.  Finally, it is Koschei who will deal the killing blow against Daer'dd. In his mind, he's not so much as killing Daer'dd as he is saving K'awil from Daer'dd. But Icarion made sure Koschei would have to face off against the Iron Bear to test Koschei's resolve. Well, not so much as a test, since Icarion will have foreseen what will happen. By killing Daer'dd, one of the noble Primarchs, it'll lodge a splinter in Koschei's soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Also, that's not the whole gamut of battles that happen. Someone should ambush a Halcyon Warden detachment and kill Pyrrhicles, Alexandros' Equerry and close friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Perhaps a Lightning Bearers ambush? I think that probably the Lightming Bearers will be bitter about Alexandros being chosen over Icarion so Icarion sends those elements of the legion he doesn't trust to be reliable to ambush the Halycon Wardens "Retribution fleet". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 All, good things Simison. Â Since we are going the "duel Imperiums" route. As we talked about, Icarion is initially leading the defenses around Madrigal at the end, While the Lightning Bearers 1st Captain (equivalent) is leading the majority of the Lightning Bearers on Terra. Â That's Susanoo Empyon, 1st Sentinel of the Lightning Bearers. Â If you need someone to kill Pyrrhicles, he might be a good choice. If Icarion ultimately wanted to convince Alex that this is both personal, and to try and lay the seeds for bringing his closest brother ultimately under his banner, Then Icarion would need him to be emotionaly off balance. To that end, dispatching his first captain to kill Alex's Equerry might be a good start, to remove a voice of council at a critical moment. Â Plus, it would leave a grudge to settle from the Wardens perspective during the siege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 So ehm, how does Icarion win a part of the mechanicum to his side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Kelbor Hal sides with Icarion, I imagine he too saw Icarion as the true warmaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 When I wrote Niklaas' rules and then looked at rules for other primarchs I wondered if he was rather weak. Â But then I rolled off between Niklaas and Coch'ise. Â No charge just base to base combat Niklaas kills Coch'ise in 4 rounds, taking no wounds himself. Â Shooting is the same story. Â But Coch'ise is too smart to face Niklaas in a fair fight. It will an interesting battle that is for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Maybe there's a three way schism in the mechanicum, with Imperial loyalists, Icarion loyalists and then a third faction under Kelbor Hal trying to keep the mechanicum united but at the same time staying neutral in the wider war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Squig Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Azus likes that idea; reminiscent of his days on Dhul'Hasa while he was being hunted by the tribes. To that end, I was thinking he could try to evade them on his own. Here's a possible chronology I was thinking about:  - Azus takes the betrayal very badly, especially Alexos' - Members of the Dune Serpents with friends in the Eagle Warriors begin to show dissent, some even turning traitor - Azus loses trust in the majority of his legion, leaving to hunt the traitors himself - Kozja and Jade begin hunting him down, a fact that Azus is oblivious to as he is looking for Alexos   Also, the moment Koschei kills Daer'dd is when he ascends, meaning he trusts Nurgle enough that when he says he can make everyone equal, Koschei accepts and is then blessed by the zombie plague Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015  Also, the moment Koschei kills Daer'dd is when he ascends, meaning he trusts Nurgle enough that when he says he can make everyone equal, Koschei accepts and is then blessed by the zombie plague  It's too early. Unless we're doing a 4 year Insurrection (which I'm very hesitant to do), Nurgle and the other Chaos gods haven't had enough time to corrupt any of the legions yet. Now, Nurgle could use Daer'dd's death to start sending the whispers and visions to Koschei and start him down that road.  I'm more than fine with giving Empyon the glory of slaying Pyrrhicles, Athrawes. It can also serve as a type of foreshadowing of the end of the war.  As far as the Mechanicum, Icarion has several routes of bringing them to his cause. At any point during his campaigns, Icarion may have found a corrupted tech-artifact (maybe even a corrupted STC), and sent it to Hal's way. I am open to a three-way Mechanicum civil war, but Hal is going to go Traitor. The way he is in canon, bitter towards the Emperor, it's just too easy to convince him to go into revolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I agree about Koschei. Â Killing another Daer'dd should be a land mark on his journey to ascension not the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Also, do we know any names of Forgeworlds that produce a lot of power armour or bolter ammunition? Because logically those would be high priority targets for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 The Mexicatii system harbors two forge worlds. Karan 2 and tusan primus. Tusan being a forgeworld dedicated to power armor and astartes weaponry. The mexicatii system is dedicated to the Eagle Warriors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Also, could I suggest that when Raktra comes storming after the Crimson Lions, he takes Alexos and Jackel with him? I was thinking that the reasoning could be that Icarion wants to completely annihilate the Crimson Lions so sends 3 legions to get the job done. This could also serve as Alexos overseeing Raktra becoming a demon prince and Jackel(seeing Raktra's transformation) begins to think he's on the wrong side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 But if 3 Legions Attack the Lions, How Do they survive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Sheer bloody mindedness, savagery and disagreement within the traitors ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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