The Grail Wardens: a Liber Astartes Group Project

[Slave to Darkness]

I shall take your idea on board and have a think

 

Also, talking abut grails etc, I remembered this bit of art, look at the Marines shoulder pad

http://1.1.1.1/bmi/4.bp.blogspot.com/-KOtuniIDVs0/UjD42RCh8FI/AAAAAAAABBY/IMvKe7f9MU4/s640/Nurgle.jpg

[Arkangilos]

They aren't lodges, lol. It's like in the Infantry. I have a brotherhood with them that I don't share with anyone else.

 

Fraternities don't have to be what you see at school. It is nothing more than a brotherhood, a common, shared experience.

 

There is no secret meeting. There is no lodge to be corrupted.

 

Like I said, it's like the brothers on the deathwatch. They will be closer than normal, and have a brotherhood between them.

Edited September 30, 2015 by Arkangilos

[Sir Perfluous]

The IA for my chapter is finally up! It's here, and now finally has a name (The Knights Revenant)! 

[Doctor Perils]

Well done Sir Perfluous. I've updated the first post with the name of the chapter. I'll try and give a quick commentary over there as well.

 

EDIT:

I've been thinking that the name of your chapter and the slightly divergent view they have of the Grail's nature compared to the other Grail could be quite easily explained by the fact that you are a descendant of the Knights Resplendent. Since they were the ones that betrayed the Grail Wardens, the other chapters would be unsure as to your loyalty, so they didn't tell you the whole story, but they still know that they need all the help they can get, so still ask for your assistance... How does that sound ?

Edited October 12, 2015 by Lord Thørn

[Arkangilos]

Well done Sir Perfluous. I've updated the first post with the name of the chapter. I'll try and give a quick commentary over there as well.

 

EDIT:

I've been thinking that the name of your chapter and the slightly divergent view they have of the Grail's nature compared to the other Grail could be quite easily explained by the fact that you are a descendant of the Knights Resplendent. Since they were the ones that betrayed the Grail Wardens, the other chapters would be unsure as to your loyalty, so they didn't tell you the whole story, but they still know that they need all the help they can get, so still ask for your assistance... How does that sound ?

I thought we didn't know of their betrayal at first. We knew someone betrayed us, but didn't know who. (at first, we learn it during the crusade).

 

Also, his founding chapter is the Carmine Cardinals. 

 

I'd just say he knows what the grail is once we recruit him. Maybe before he is recruited he doesn't, but when we call upon his chapter, we would tell him. 

Edited October 12, 2015 by Arkangilos

[Doctor Perils]

 

Well done Sir Perfluous. I've updated the first post with the name of the chapter. I'll try and give a quick commentary over there as well.

 

EDIT:

I've been thinking that the name of your chapter and the slightly divergent view they have of the Grail's nature compared to the other Grail could be quite easily explained by the fact that you are a descendant of the Knights Resplendent. Since they were the ones that betrayed the Grail Wardens, the other chapters would be unsure as to your loyalty, so they didn't tell you the whole story, but they still know that they need all the help they can get, so still ask for your assistance... How does that sound ?

I thought we didn't know of their betrayal at first. We knew someone betrayed us, but didn't know who. (at first, we learn it during the crusade).

 

Also, his founding chapter is the Carmine Cardinals. 

 

I'd just say he knows what the grail is once we recruit him. Maybe before he is recruited he doesn't, but when we call upon his chapter, we would tell him. 

 

 

I was thinking of this as an alternative to his chapter being descended from the Carmine Cardinals, to explain his different beliefs: after all, his timeline implies that he still launches crusades to find the Grail with the idea that it was the one that collected the blood of Sanguinius, and this even later than M39, the date that was put forward for the theft of the Grail Wardens' Grail.

 

I was just brainstorming to find solutions for this conundrum, but if others believe that there isn't a problem...

 

I hadn't understood that the remaining Grail Wardens weren't aware that it was specifically the Knights Resplendent that had betrayed them. My bad . Does this mean that the Knights Resplendent carry on fighting "on the side of the Wardens", even after their Fall, infiltrating their erstwhile brothers for a few years, before their mutations become too evident?

 

Also, do we [the real people] know who really has the Grail ? Or is that just a mystery ? I think that SlaveToDarkness still wants the Slaaneshi Knights Resplendent to look for the Grail, and I haven't completely understood what happens at the Burning of Golgotha ?

[Arkangilos]

It shouldn't necessarily be a mystery to us. I think it all depends on SlaveToDarkness and how he wants to play this out.

 

I mean, I'm not saying we don't have to know who betrayed us by this point. 

 

Also, I have an idea. Maybe one of the loyalists took the grail when they knew they had been betrayed, and he fled. No one has any idea where he went, but he left clues. If SlaveToDarkness decides that we know he betrayed us, it can be a race against them. But if he decides that his chapter wants to play along secretly, they could be using the alliance as a way to find it, and will back stab us the moment we discover it's location?

 

Also, I haven't added the pics yet, but soon I will have the Battle Barge, the Master of the Fleet, and at least one (preferably two, but I haven't even started that one yet) strike cruisers that will be participating in the campaign added up on my WiP when they are finished. I don't know where my other two escorts are, but there will be at least one escort. Then you can see at least the ships involved from my chapter.

[Sir Perfluous]

Being descended from the Knights Resplendent could work well, actually, provided it fits our storyline and STD (hmm...) is alright with it. It could work very well, now I think about it. It would really heighten the "overcoming the beast within" scenario that the KR have going on, and could make the danger of falling all the more real - Slanesh has his/her/its eye on them. Besides, all heroes need an evil parent ("No Lord Camlann, I am your father!").

[Sir Perfluous]

How well overall, though, do you think the Knights fit the Grail Wardens? Is there anything I need to change, do I need to strengthen the connection at all?

[Arkangilos]

You don't really need to do anything. It's just an alliance, lol.

[Sir Perfluous]

You don't really need to do anything. It's just an alliance, lol.

It's just that with the Grail Quest bein so core to the Arthurian theme, I wanted to make sure I made our quest important.

[Arkangilos]

 

You don't really need to do anything. It's just an alliance, lol.

It's just that with the Grail Quest bein so core to the Arthurian theme, I wanted to make sure I made our quest important.

 

Oh but it is! The fate of an entire sector is at stake! Think of this like Arthur trying to save people from a daemonic incursion caused by an evil witch. In order to do that he has to find the lost relic that will save them all.

 

This is very Arthurian, and any chapter that even comes close to those same values would jump at such an honorable and noble cause!

 

 

 

Also, in my WiP (the last part of the Signature line with the Sanguinary Crusaders) I just added the Battle Barge that will be participating (with two other strike cruisers, but I didn't add those, yet), as well as the Master of the Fleet who is leading the force from my chapter. 

[Sir Perfluous]

 

 

You don't really need to do anything. It's just an alliance, lol.

It's just that with the Grail Quest bein so core to the Arthurian theme, I wanted to make sure I made our quest important.

 

Oh but it is! The fate of an entire sector is at stake! Think of this like Arthur trying to save people from a daemonic incursion caused by an evil witch. In order to do that he has to find the lost relic that will save them all.

 

This is very Arthurian, and any chapter that even comes close to those same values would jump at such an honorable and noble cause!

 

The Quest is important to us, yes. Anybody who's read this thread will understand the backstory behind the Grail and its importance, I just wanted to make sure that someone who hadn't been following my WiP thread or this one could read my IA and, after being thoroughly impressed by how well-written it is and how wonderful I am, understand that importance too. I was just worried that I skimmed over the Grail stuff in the IA, but if you think its OK, then it's fine. 

 

 

Also, that stuff looks awesome. 

Edited October 15, 2015 by Sir Perfluous

[Arkangilos]

Well I will read it again for you then :)

[Arkangilos]

Are you guys interested in fleshing this out some more?

[Kelborn]

Sure, why not? :)

Though I would like to cut out the Black Hands warband. It's an old and abandoned project of mine.

[Sir Perfluous]

You have no idea how happy seeing this thread with a little blue star next to it made me.

 

I'd be more than up for it, if all the other Wardens are still interested.

 

Oh, Emperor, I'm going to have to re-read all of this to find out where we were...

Edited May 3, 2016 by Sir Perfluous

[Slave to Darkness]

Wow totally forgot about this. :lol:

[Arkangilos]

Lol yeah. It's finals week, and I'm pretty busy these days, but I figured I'd like to see this going again, so we can figure out what to do with it all. I figured it might motivate me a little more. Edited May 3, 2016 by Arkangilos

[Minigiant]

Really glad to see this back, really enjoyed following along with this when I first joined B&C. Even considered writing my Adeptus Sororitas Order chasing the Grail as some part of their quest to find the Ark of Truth

[Sir Perfluous]

Wow totally forgot about this.

 

How dare you! After all that work! 

 

Really glad to see this back, really enjoyed following along with this when I first joined B&C. Even considered writing my Adeptus Sororitas Order chasing the Grail as some part of their quest to find the Ark of Truth

 

Glad to have entertained! You may be able to weave the order into the Wardens if we can find a way...

 

My question would be how we should continue this thread - are there any areas left to address? We have a rough outline of the timeline and story, I know, but there's still that to flesh out fully. I'll see if I can't compile a list of all that we've got so far - I think that the starting one got a bit out of date.

[Slave to Darkness]

Been thinking about fluff for my Slaaneshi renegades today, after much head scratching and beard stroking Ive got a few ideas Im gonna run with.

[Minigiant]

 

Really glad to see this back, really enjoyed following along with this when I first joined B&C. Even considered writing my Adeptus Sororitas Order chasing the Grail as some part of their quest to find the Ark of Truth

 

Glad to have entertained! You may be able to weave the order into the Wardens if we can find a way...

 

 

Well if people want to get this back off the ground and dont mind adding is Sisters to the story then would love too. Now they would not be Wardens cannot see that working. Additional protagonists maybe. My order is obsessed with Artifacts, particularly those that relate to the Ark of Truth. Now if the grail had some sort of connection to the Ark of Truth at some point, easily explain why they are searching for it. How they react and negotiate their way around everything else in this story would be interesting. It would surely be a better section to my 'notable conflicts' than what I currently have. If you want to see more

[Arkangilos]

Hmm, they could be part of the initial crusade, or even a new crusade that the Imperium launched as the area began to fall. So our chapters have to compete with the rest of the Imperium (it doesn't have to be violent conflict, though it could be) to achieve our goals while the rest of the Imperium is fighting the war for the sector. I'll have to look back over what we have.

 

I'll also take a look at your Ark and fluff. The thing about the Grail is that (if I remember correctly), we built the Grail around an artifact that sealed a rift, and the artifact required the sacrifice of several heroes (I think we decided Librarians?) and the blood of them was poured into the Grail built around it as an oath.

 

But maybe the ark and the other artifact are tied together in some way.

Edited May 3, 2016 by Arkangilos

[Minigiant]

I'll also take a look at your Ark and fluff. The thing about the Grail is that (if I remember correctly), we built the Grail around an artifact that sealed a rift, and the artifact required the sacrifice of several heroes (I think we decided Librarians?) and the blood of them was poured into the Grail built around it as an oath.

 

But maybe the ark and the other artifact are tied together in some way.

Now was the chalice forged purposefully for this ritual or was it something else that was then used for the ritual? If it is the later, maybe what it was prior held some meaning and your ritual in my eyes, defiled it?

 

Maybe it is as simple as the Grail was once held within one of the vaults upon the Ark of Truth before it was used, and the order hope to recover it in the belief that it might provide further answers to their quest

 

Just spit balling ideas, need to properly read over the 36 pages.

 

 

My question would be how we should continue this thread - are there any areas left to address? We have a rough outline of the timeline and story, I know, but there's still that to flesh out fully. I'll see if I can't compile a list of all that we've got so far - I think that the starting one got a bit out of date.

 

 

As to where, a final summary of all the events that was decided upon. Then see what has changed on a per contributor level