SirHudlebert Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Hi there, after being a fly on the wall for years, with the release of forge world's new dark Angels bits I've finally decided to take the plunge into the strange and horrifically expensive new world that is the horus heresy. This is my first ever horus heresy list so I have absolutely no idea whether it's any good or not. It will be used to represent the Fallen dark Angels under Luther during the brief civil war on Caliban. As such I have shied away from using heavy vehicles and specialist equipment which would have been taken by the Lion and the majority of his legion on the great crusade. Also all of the armies I have previously collected have been mechanised so I'm kinda fed up with painting tanks :P anyways let me know if I've got the right idea here but bear in mind im very much going for fluffiness over combat effectiveness. Cheers.+++ New Roster (1999pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) ++ + HQ + Legion Centurion [Artificer Armour, Plasma Pistol, Refractor Field] ····Consul [Moritat] Legion Praetor [Artificer Armour, Iron Halo, Jump Pack, Melta Bombs, Paragon Blade, Volkite Serpenta] ····Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion] + Troops + Legion Assault Squad [14x Legion Assault Space Marines, 3x Power Weapon] ····Legion Assault Sergeant [Combat Shield, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon] Legion Terminator Squad [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 3x Combi-Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators, Reaper Autocannon] ····Legion Terminator Sergeant [Grenade Harness] Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Outflank, 2x Plasma Gun] ····Legion Veteran Sergeant [Combi-weapon] Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [2x Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Outflank] ····Legion Veteran Sergeant [Combi-weapon] + Elites + Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought [Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons] + Heavy Support + Legion Heavy Support Squad [Lascannons, 4x Legion Space Marines] ····Legion Sergeant [Augury Scanner] Legion Heavy Support Squad [Autocannons, 4x Legion Space Marines] ····Legion Sergeant [Augury Scanner] Created with BattleScribe (http://www.battlescribe.net) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313545-first-list-2k-fallendark-angels-vanilla-list/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Welcome to the forum, and congrats on taking the plunge! Love the idea of Fallen Dark Angels - will be very interesting to see where they take the rules and the story... Have you got any regular HH opponents to face? Given it'll be a little while before we see Dark Angels fleshed out completely, have you considered using the Word Bearers rules for the Fallen? A lot of Psykers, ritualistic themes and stuff? Could be cool! Unreleased Legion army lists are both simpler and harder to make - simpler because there's no-brainer choices out there, but harder because they lack the specialism of the released Legions. There's countless discussions of what the best choices are, so I'd look through the Tactica thread in a bit of detail, even the Legion-specific ones. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313545-first-list-2k-fallendark-angels-vanilla-list/#findComment-4169154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirHudlebert Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 Thanks for the pointers bud, and yeah most of the guys in my local club play heresy more often than 40k so I have no shortage of opponents :P I'll look into using word bearers or other rules but tbh from what I've heard da should be included in the next HH book so I'll probably wait until then. I've read up on some tactics etc and so I'm not sure about the Moritat or the Terminators and whether they really work within the list. The Moritat is supposed to represent Cypher so I kinda want to keep him for flavour but was thinking whether replacing him with a librarian might be a good idea? Also in 40k I've never had much luck with footslogging termies but don't really want a land raider in this list as they're a big point sink and I'm not a fan of the phobos which is the only variant available. Any tips you could give me on this, can footslogging termies work in 30k? Cheers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313545-first-list-2k-fallendark-angels-vanilla-list/#findComment-4169185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Yeah, the rumour is that Book VI will have Dark Angels, Blood Angels and White Scars in it, but no characters or units. Moritat is ok. If the dice Gods bless you, he'll wreck a unit before he dies (and he will die - don't waste points on defence). The 7th Ed FAQ nerfed using plasma pistols, but if it's meant to be Cypher, definitely run him! :) Nope, Terminators don't do any better footslogging in 30k either. Why is the Phobos the only variant available? 5 man squads can take a LR Phobos, LR Proteus or Dreadclaw, and you can take a Spartan no matter the size. And while the Lion would have taken the serious stuff with him (like the crazy siege weapons he gave to Perturabo) I imagine there'd still be plenty of tanks available to Luther and the Calibanites. All Horus Heresy stuff is pricey points-wise, so don't stress about that aspect too much. But some stuff is hard to justify, like Assault Squads without the Angel's Wrath RoW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313545-first-list-2k-fallendark-angels-vanilla-list/#findComment-4169218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirHudlebert Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 Well since the land raider proteus doesn't have Assault vehicle I hadn't really considered it and Since I'm an impoverished student there's no way I could afford a Spartan :P so I'll probably either go with a phobos or see if I could convert one into a Spartan as in my experience footslogging termies may aswell have a massive target hovering above them... Also are Assault Squads pretty useless then? They're pretty fluffy for fallen and I was going to stick my Praetor in with them and wreck face, they're also really nice models ;) would a 20 man Tactical blob be a better choice? And then stick the Praetor with the Terminators in a Spartan? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313545-first-list-2k-fallendark-angels-vanilla-list/#findComment-4169388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Hello fellow 1st legion member :) I'd recommend using a dreadclaw drop pod as a cheap alternative to drop a 5 man squad of terminators in. It's an assault transport flyer, and is only 100 points...so there's an option. You're definitely using a lot of footsloggers, but don't pigeonhole yourself. There would've been tanks and such on Caliban that they would've been training on. Just stay away from shiny new things like Sicarans or Scorpii. Maybe a predator squadron with plasma executioners would be fitting or some dreadnoughts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313545-first-list-2k-fallendark-angels-vanilla-list/#findComment-4169396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirHudlebert Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 Thanks for the help bud, drawn up a second list and added some tanks so let me know what you think :P. +++ Fallen/Dark Angels (1998pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) ++ + HQ + Legion Centurion [Artificer Armour, Plasma Pistol, Refractor Field] ····Consul [Moritat] Legion Praetor [Artificer Armour, Iron Halo, Melta Bombs, Paragon Blade, Volkite Serpenta] ····Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion] + Troops + Legion Tactical Squad [19x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Power Weapon] Legion Terminator Squad [3x Combi-Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators, Plasma Blaster, Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon] ····Land Raider Phobos [Armoured Ceramite] ····Legion Terminator Sergeant [Combi-Weapon] Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [2x Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, 3x Power Weapon, Sniper] ····Legion Veteran Sergeant [Power Weapon] Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, 2x Plasma Gun, Sniper] ····Legion Veteran Sergeant [Combi-weapon] + Elites + Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought [Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons] + Heavy Support + Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron ····Legion Predator Tank [Lascannons] ····Legion Predator Tank [Lascannons] + Legion + Legion Astartes [i: Dark Angels] Created with BattleScribe (http://www.battlescribe.net) while I really like the idea of a dreadclaw, since this is a representation of the DA forcesgrounded on Caliban they'd have no way of utilising them, so I've put my prejudices aside and gone for a Phobos. The Praetor will run around in the heavy Bolter Veteran Squad instead.Think I'm maybe starting to get my head round the HH but somewhat weirdly it feels very different to 40k. There are so many more builds and possibilities with quite a small initial selection of units, loving it so far :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313545-first-list-2k-fallendark-angels-vanilla-list/#findComment-4169422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 The Praetor is very choppy, so he'd be best served in a dedicated combat squad. You could shift the Terminators into a Command Squad, put the Praetor & Terminators in Cataphractii armour, and they'd be a pretty good unit. Something like this? HQ Legion Praetor: Cataphractii armour; combi-bolter; paragon blade (master-crafted); digital lasers; grenade harness; Pride of the Legion 195 • 3 Chosen Terminators: Cataphractii armour; 2× combi-bolter; 3× power weapon; reaper autocannon; + 1 Terminator Standard Bearer (combi-bolter; power weapon) 195 • Land Raider Phobos: dozer blade; armoured ceramite 275 Moritat: plasma pistol 110 TROOPS 9 Veteran Space Marines: melta bombs; 2× plasma gun; + 1 Veteran Sergeant (power weapon; artificer armour); Sniper 275 9 Veteran Space Marines: melta bombs; 2× plasma gun; + 1 Veteran Sergeant (power weapon; artificer armour); Sniper 275 19 Tactical Space Marines: + 1 Tactical Sergeant (artificer armour; melta bombs) 265 ELITES Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought: 2 Kheres pattern assault cannons 180 HEAVY SUPPORT Predator Strike Squadron • Predator: lascannon sponsons 115 • Predator: lascannon sponsons 115 TOTAL: 2,000 points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313545-first-list-2k-fallendark-angels-vanilla-list/#findComment-4169695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirHudlebert Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 Really like that list cheers, didn't know you could have a 4 man Terminator command Squad for the Praetor so I'll definitely run with that, consider it stolen! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313545-first-list-2k-fallendark-angels-vanilla-list/#findComment-4169825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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