Insurrection Pattern Power Armor

[Slips]

There is no reason as to why a Legion wouldn't field the Deredeo Dreadnought in decent numbers apart from it being difficult to manufacture much like the Contemptor it shares systems with.

 

Its not like we have 40k White Scars who are superstitious about the practice and refuse to inter fallen marines.

 

 

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Also, mind clarifying what you mean by Deredeo Equivalent?

Edited August 17, 2016 by Slipstreams

[~Drakzilla~]

Agreed, although ibviosuly sim has the final say.

Btw, what do we think of the idea of the Suzerainty being baroque and gold&gems everywhere?

Aren't the Warriors of Peace also part of the Suzerainty? I don't see us being that kind of blingy.

[Skalpynock]

 

Agreed, although ibviosuly sim has the final say.

Btw, what do we think of the idea of the Suzerainty being baroque and gold&gems everywhere?

Aren't the Warriors of Peace also part of the Suzerainty? I don't see us being that kind of blingy.

I kinda imagined the Suzerainty to begin in bling, then switch to a more and more practical, cold appearance as time passes. Under Kozja the standard color would be gold and purple, but by the birth of the Paragon they will have switched to plain, unadorned grey, with strong "logical dictatorship" tones.

[Nomus Sardauk]

Mmhmm, I imagine the Suzerainty is a somewhat more prosperous socially than the rest of the Imperium due to the logical, efficient management of their Astartes masters, plus they have less worlds and population to support then the greater Imperium, even if it's no more equal or libertarian.

[bluntblade]

That probably means they'd have exactly sufficient resources, with anything not deemed essential to the populace going to the war effort and the experiments, rather than prosperity among ordinary people Edited August 17, 2016 by bluntblade

[Sigismund229]

Like so?

While rich in resources, the Suzerainty lacked the industrial might of the Imperium and the Stormborn's domains. Because of this lack of forge worlds on which advanced suits of power armour could be produced, the Suzerainty was forced to rely to a greater degree on small scale workshops to produce power armour. As a result, the armour produced was often, by necessity, of an older mark, in most cases MkII, than the armours used by Imperial and traitor legions as the workshops in which they were produced lacked the technological capabilities to produce more advanced suits. However, in a strange contrast to Imperial and traitor armours, those used by the Suzerainty were often extremely ornate as each plate of a Suzerainty suit of armour was the work of a master craftsman and a work of art as well as a piece of armour for the legionary wearing it. For the craftsmen making them, it was a point of pride that no plate be the same and so the suits of armour, while often older marks than those used by the legions loyal to the Emperor and Stormborn, often bore a level of craftsmanship and decoration that was reserved for the armours worn by officers in other legions.

 

How this armour was received varied depending on the legion to which it was given. The Warbringers generally welcomed the ornamentation and artistry of the armours, for it was an outward sign of their status as a military elite. By contrast, the Warriors of Peace, while tacitly accepting it, were known to prefer more subtle ornamentation if any.

 

However, as time went on and the Suzerainty's resources began to be spread thin, the armours became less and less artistic, with greater emphasis placed on speed of manufacture and function than appearance.

[~Drakzilla~]

Do the Warbringers and Warriors have their own worlds within the Suzerainty, or do they more or less share? I ask because each might have their own workshops with differing styles of craftsmanship.

[Sigismund229]

Do the Warbringers and Warriors have their own worlds within the Suzerainty, or do they more or less share? I ask because each might have their own workshops with differing styles of craftsmanship.

I was working off the basis that they don't.

[Grifftofer]

Ok. So in order not to continue clogging up the Void Eagles thread we should continue our Saturnine Terminator discussion here. The first question for me is:

 

• Should we make the Saturnine Armour a straight replacement option for Cataphractii/Tartaros/Indomitus?
• Or should we create in effect a new Legion unit for them and a new wargear option for characters?

 

Personally I think the first is the preferable option, as it limits us so we can't go too far from what exists in terms of power level. It has to be roughly on a par with the other options so that it does not become the 'only' choice.

[MikhalLeNoir]

Yeah, we should make it a standard pattern.

[Kelborn]

Agreed.

 

Though I won't be using them. Too bulky. Too slow. Leviathans are an exception, rest should be fast moving.

[MikhalLeNoir]

Agreed.

Though I won't be using them. Too bulky. Too slow. Leviathans are an exception, rest should be fast moving.

Don't copy me^^

[~Drakzilla~]

I'm fine with either option. First for all the reasons you said, Grifft. But a new unit might suit it as well, allowing for different weapon setups and options that might not be represented the other way of doing it. They don't necessarily need to be more powerful, just different.

[Doctor Perils]

 

Agreed.

Though I won't be using them. Too bulky. Too slow. Leviathans are an exception, rest should be fast moving.

Don't copy me^^

 

Don't worry, your only contender for the King of Bling is Skalpynock with the Warbringers ;)

[MikhalLeNoir]

And as he already said: I won^^

[bluntblade]

We will judge that when the paint dries

[MikhalLeNoir]

To quote Skalpy

Alright, you win.

And as I paint Kozja, I can always manipulate his bling^^

 

 

But back to topic.

 

Has anybody an idea how to model Saturnyne Pattern Terminator Armor?

Edited October 26, 2016 by MikhalLeNoir

[Grifftofer]

Initially I was considering using Tartaros as a base, to get the rounded shapes. But I think that something more like the Gorgons's Indomitus pattern might work better. It has enough curves, but also has decent size pauldrons to build off of. A cable-like greenstuf rib running over the top and back of the model in-between the pauldrons would also help give it the distinctive shape, and give somewhere to mount the secondary weapon.

[bluntblade]

Don't you mean the Gorgons' Gorgon pattern? :P It could be worth googling to see if it's been true elsewhere.

[MikhalLeNoir]

Oh. I found something i interesting on the interwebz

 

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/Gagoc/Humour/TerminatorArmourDevelopmentTimeline.jpg

 

 

I always thought that Saturnyne Pattern TDA was the oldest avaiable Terminator Armor.

 

And by the way: what is cobra pattern and banner pattern armor?

 

 

Interesting link

http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_First_Expedition/index.php?showtopic=24&st=0

Edited October 26, 2016 by MikhalLeNoir

[Grifftofer]

Based on the pics in that thread we've been assuming that the "Banner" pattern were Saturine (Saturnyne?) pattern. If the thread is accurate then we could go two directions either follow the images we have and build rules based on them (whether we call it Banner or Saturnine is immaterial). Or we could make Saturnine and have relatively free reign to make it how we will.

[Doctor Perils]

I think they were supposed to be one-off prototypes or something.

However, what's that C pattern, and that [   ] [   ]?

[Kelborn]

Missed opportunities?

[Grifftofer]

Ok. So to bring us back round to the armour rules a little bit. I've put together a table of the Armours in that thread and some thoughts on how we might give them some variation. I look forward to hearing your thoughts

Terminator Pattern Variants

Armour Pattern	Saves	Sweep?	Overwatch?	Run?	Other Rules
Indomitus	2+/5++	No	Yes	Yes	Bulky, Relentless, Deep Strike
Tartaros	2+/5++	Yes	Yes	Yes	Bulky, Relentless
Cataphractii	2+/4++	No	No	No	Bulky, Relentless
Banner	2+/5++	No	No	No	Very Bulky, Relentless, Secondary Weapon, Efficient Radiators
Cobra	1+/6++	No	Yes	No	Very Bulky, Relentless, Built-in Weaponry
Saturnine	-	-	-	-	-
Prototype "C"	-	-	-	-	-

 

Advanced Sensors

Debating between either an integrated Augury Scanner or a -1 to the cover save of enemies shot at by the model. [i thought I'd add this in so that Indomitus isn't quite so much the worst option. This way it has a little something that the others don't.]

No longer needed

 

Secondary Weapon

The armour comes with a second ranged weapon, which may be fired in addition to those normally allowed. The secondary weapon is a bolter, but may be upgraded from a list (which hasn't been written yet).

 

Efficient Radiators

Models in this armour type get Feel No Pain (6+) against plasma and flamer weapons.

 

Built-in Weaponry

The armour's combi-bolter is replaced by two bolters, which may be fired as a single weapon. This weapon may not be upgraded.

Edited December 15, 2017 by Grifftofer

[~Drakzilla~]

Like the idea of buffing Indomitus. I'd lean toward a built in augury scanner, simplicity's sake.

 

It looks like Saturnyne and "Banner" pattern appear to be, for all intents and purposes, the same thing. I also thought we came to the conclusion that the secondary weapon shown in the picture was an Iron Hands-specific modification.

 

As for modelling, I dabbled in Blender a while ago, and this may be kinda long-term, but I'd be interested in trying my hand at modelling the armor patterns digitally and possibly 3D printing them.