[HH1.0] Black Shields Tactica

[Runefyre]

While there's no arguing that the grav bombard is brutal, I feel like I can never really support losing both dccws on the Leviathan. You lose two attacks, severing blow and ap2.

And yet the Levi's rules grant 2 HoW as well as +1I on the charge. Very assault orientated imo, so I never leave home without at least one melee weapon.

[Flint13]

^I agree.

 

The only way I've seen an all shooty Levi work well is with a BA Deathblossom, which is 2 storm cannons and two assault cannons.

[hivey]

Black shield armies can take knight errents, correct? Im thinking of doing a force of loyalist (or are they?) Alpha Legion, using the black shield rules, and throwing in knight errent nemean reaver.

[Caillum]

You could just run Loyalist Alpha Legion with the Nemean Reaver as a Knight Errant. ;)

 

What do you want the Blackshield element to do for the army that Alpha Legion's Mutable Tactics cannot do?

[Terminus]

Alphas can put it to good use as well. They don't have rending on the nipple cannons, but all the guns are effectively AP2 on damage charts, and volkite is better than assault cannons vs infantry.

[Charlo]

Using the Nemean as a Knight Errant to avoid having to make him warlord is a pretty great idea actually.

 

Could make a really awesome Rangdan Xenocide inspired list with Ravenwing and Blackshields Outlanders.

 

RAD GRENADE THE FOUL XENOS.

Edited July 1, 2016 by Charlo

[Brother Aiwass]

So the Knight-Errant Nemean in a Chymeriae list would have S 5 (6 with the sword) and T6 plus Eternal warrior?

[Hellrender]

I really want a Leviathan Siege Dread, but as blackshield we do not have access to dread pods. What about the Kharybdis? Too expensive for an already expensive unit?

[Galron]

Yes, you can bring a Kharybdis and yes its expensive but the only way to pull off what you are thinking about pulling off with black shields.

[Charlo]

So the Knight-Errant Nemean in a Chymeriae list would have S 5 (6 with the sword) and T6 plus Eternal warrior?

 

He can only be taken in an Outlanders army and must be the warlord if so.

 

If he is a Knight Errant then he doesn't gain the benefits of the detachment.

Edited July 1, 2016 by Charlo

[hivey]

You could just run Loyalist Alpha Legion with the Nemean Reaver as a Knight Errant. ;)

 

What do you want the Blackshield element to do for the army that Alpha Legion's Mutable Tactics cannot do?

Different playstyle, s/t 5 troops. Just a breath of fresh air.

[Brother Aiwass]

 

So the Knight-Errant Nemean in a Chymeriae list would have S 5 (6 with the sword) and T6 plus Eternal warrior?

 

He can only be taken in an Outlanders army and must be the warlord if so.

 

If he is a Knight Errant then he doesn't gain the benefits of the detachment.

 

I don't have the book with me atm (I'm at work), can't the knight-errant get detachment benefits? :(

 

Anyway, he still be S5 T5 like the other ones, but would be nice S6 T6 :P

[Charlo]

Well, its be pretty ridiculous if they could!

 

Hes not a blsckshield so he wouldn't benefit from the Wrought by War rules.

[Slips]

Yeah, the way most 30k Army Benefits are doled out is through the "Legiones Astartes: X" Rule.

 

Since Blackshields have "Legiones Astartes: Blackshields" and thereby gain their benefits through that rule, the Namean Reaver played as a Knight Errant only has the "Legiones Astartes" Rule with no Legion/Army modifier meaning that he only gains the benefit of regrouping at regular leadership and no other modifiers.

[Brother Aiwass]

So that also means that a Imperial Fist tactical squad doesn't get any specific legion rules? Or a consul? Or a Praetor? Because thet only have the generic Legiones Astartes rule.

I was under the belief (maybe not the appropiate word?) that a model with the Legiones Astartes rule get the specific Legiones Astartes detachment they belong (i.e. a Praetor of an Imperial Fist army get the benefits of the Legiones Astartes Imperial Fists.

If this is how this work is

Edited July 1, 2016 by Maximvs

[Charlo]

Well no, you basically choose one LA: XYZ for the detachment OR you choose Stubborn OR Furious Charge.

 

But Knights Errant have thier own LA rule and do not gain the benefits.

 

It's slightly murky and I don't have the books on me, but if you try to pass if your knight errant as getting the extras rules I would call bull:cuss.

[Brother Aiwass]

Hum, AFAIK the Knight-errant only have the generic LA rule, not LA: Knight-Errant? Sure I'm missing something.

[hivey]

Knight errants arent really part of the legion theyre with, theyre "agents of the emperor". Pretty much allies that take a slot in the detachment, rather than needing their own detachment, and are always battle brothers. Edited July 1, 2016 by hivey

[Tyberos the Red Wake]

I really want a Leviathan Siege Dread, but as blackshield we do not have access to dread pods. What about the Kharybdis? Too expensive for an already expensive unit?

 

Just be a man and footslog it.

[Brother Aiwass]

Knight errants arent really part of the legion theyre with, theyre "agents of the emperor". Pretty much allies that take a slot in the detachment, rather than needing their own detachment, and are always battle brothers.

 

Well, maybe. But I want to know where in the rules (or FAQ) says that knight-errants with only the generic LA rule (same as most units) cannot get the LA-Blackshields (or any other Legion specific rule for that matter) rule while they're in the same detachment and part of the same army or if it is stated anywhere that they are allies as you say.

 

Because the knight-errant unit entry under special rules says Legiones Astartes.

[hivey]

Knights errant rules are covered under garro's entry. Yes, it does say they are agents. Agents of the emperor are on the allies chart for HH. Edited July 1, 2016 by hivey

[Slips]

Page 80, LA:CAL:

• Units with this special rule may always attempt to regroup [...]
• Units will also have additional special rules and abilities specific to their Legion.

Page 208, Retribution:

 

Agents of the Emperor:

• When using the Age of Darkness Allies Matrix, all of the Knights-Errant, including Nathaniel Garro and Tylos Rubio, are counted as Agents of the Emperor.

Ergo: Since they are always counted as Sworn Brothers and not part of the Legion Detachment they're being taken with, they do not earn that Detachments "Legions Astartes:X" rule.

Edited July 2, 2016 by Slipstreams

[Brother Aiwass]

Damn!

And thank you both for the swift replies :)

[Slips]

No problem!

[Brother Aiwass]

Would we'll be able to take a Tribune? As is not a Legion Praetor technically, so maybe we can? Not planning on taking one, but I like to have choices just in case :)