Nomus Sardauk Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Try it with the blue for the shoulder trim and Aquila, and maybe try making the blue a little paler I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 Try it with the blue for the shoulder trim and Aquila, and maybe try making the blue a little paler I'd say. Okay, I tried it as well as few other shades of blue, but I feel like the two colours don't really complement eachother. So I tried to make the sea green a bit lighter and changed the pauldrons to black. EDIT: By the way, I thought of something related to the chapters organization and recruitment. It seem to me that a chapter that is mostly fleet based, whose homeworld is an ocean world and who specilizes in ship-to-ship combat wouldn't have much use for scouts or for that matter experience in stealth. The natives who are recruited spend their entire life on sea and fish with spears, so it's quite hard for them to learn how to stalk a prey, unlike other chapters who recruit from feral worlds. So with that in mind I was thinking, what if the chapter makes no use of standard scouts? If needed they might use regular astartes for scouting, kind of like the seekers/scouts from the heresy era. But that leaves the recruit stage a bit open and uncertain. Should they follow a path similar to the heresy where recruits are distributed to squads depending on their skills? So those most adept at assault go to assault squads, and so on? Any thoughts on this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Perfluous Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I'd keep the scouts. Even the most powerful of ships still needs its powder monkeys and cabin boys! The colour scheme looks great. Have you tried out any of the ideas on a model yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Maybe treat them like the old BT squad members: They are apprentices to older more experienced hands until they themselves earn their stripes. As such, scouts would accompany their power armoured brethren as "Greenhorns" or some such slang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Cthulhu is believed to be imprisoned at the bottom of the Marianna's Trench. Terra's seas all boiled away ages ago... Cthulhu must have wandered off somewhere else (Or banished somewhere else by The Emperor like he did to the Void Dragon?) There are older and fouler things than orcs in the deep places of the world. If Cthulhu escaped the Emperor's justice, then the false god must be hunted down and destroyed- or re-imprisoned, if the Imperium currently lacks the means of destroying the xeno entity. I can see the Chapter declaring this to be its mission- possibly at the Inquisition's "suggestion," the Marines countering the malign influence of Cthulhu (a being that, while similar to a Daemon, is as distinct from it as Enslavers are) the way the Grey Knights counter that of Daemons. The Cthulhu masks are worn the way mortals wear devil masks on Halloween, so the Marines may mock the xeno entity and demonstrate they do not fear Cthulhu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minigiant Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I couldnt see a chapter name so I will throw in my suggestion Denizens of the Deep What if the Cthulu is a Ctan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wargasm40k Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I couldnt see a chapter name so I will throw in my suggestion Denizens of the Deep What if the Cthulu is a Ctan? I think he chose Leviathans for the name, though I don't know if he committed to it yet. As for Cthulhu being a C'tan, Cthulhu fits more as an Enslaver/Warp entity rather than C'tan, as the C'tan cannot enter the Warp and Cthulhu is a multidimensional entity forced to inhabit a three dimensional plane. Try it with the blue for the shoulder trim and Aquila, and maybe try making the blue a little paler I'd say. Okay, I tried it as well as few other shades of blue, but I feel like the two colours don't really complement eachother. So I tried to make the sea green a bit lighter and changed the pauldrons to black. EDIT: By the way, I thought of something related to the chapters organization and recruitment. It seem to me that a chapter that is mostly fleet based, whose homeworld is an ocean world and who specilizes in ship-to-ship combat wouldn't have much use for scouts or for that matter experience in stealth. The natives who are recruited spend their entire life on sea and fish with spears, so it's quite hard for them to learn how to stalk a prey, unlike other chapters who recruit from feral worlds. So with that in mind I was thinking, what if the chapter makes no use of standard scouts? If needed they might use regular astartes for scouting, kind of like the seekers/scouts from the heresy era. But that leaves the recruit stage a bit open and uncertain. Should they follow a path similar to the heresy where recruits are distributed to squads depending on their skills? So those most adept at assault go to assault squads, and so on? Any thoughts on this subject. I like this color scheme, it fits well with the Ocean world theme for the chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Yeah, Black Pauldrons looking cool :) I thought you were planning on using codex space wolves for them ? (I might be confusing with another thread X) ) If so, some sort of variation on the Blood Claws could probably work no ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 Okay, I like the suggestion to use the scouts as Olis said, using them as initiates supporting a more experienced brother in the field until they themselves become full initiates. So, that's a nice idea. All this talk of Cthulhu (or a Cthulhu inspired creature) as a sort of warp entity trapped on the planet by the chapter is really catching my attention, I was mostly joking around about that, but Bjorn's idea about it being captured and kept away on some backwaters planet under the jurisdiction of the astartes is brilliant. So I'm going to work a bit around with it, see what I can do. About the name, then yeap, I'm quite set on the 'Leviathans', it fits the monstrous nautical theme and sounds quite badass. Thørn, you are right, I am considering using the codex space wolves mainly because of the large close quarters squads and the wolf guard squad leaders who have access to terminator armour. Olis suggested using the space marine legions list, but after looking at it, it doesn't really fit the haphazard organization of the chapter, with smaller ships moving in between fleets all commanded by a sort of junior officer. I've decided to use that last scheme I showed you, the sea green and black scheme, maybe with purple lenses rather than red. Any good suggestions for a nice, deep sea green? I will have to find a test mini to try it out. Tomorrow I will hopefully have an update on the chapters beliefs. Thanks again for all who contribute to this chapter! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceofCase Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Sotek Green with either a heavy wash, or mixed with Abaddon Black. I'm using just regular Sotek Green for my current DIY. It's an awesome color and very different than what currently exists for Space Marines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 What about the recipes for the Sons of Horus ? (I think Forge World's is downloadable on their site) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GrandMagnus Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 Oh, great video. That's a really nice sea green, so I'll be going for that. Maybe, just maybe, darkening it a tiny bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzyeye01 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Apologies if I overlooked this but what would the chapters' views be on those who crew their ships? I imagine that they would be given alot more respect than other chapters might do because of their work and how much the chapter relies on ships. Also are the crew members merely servitors or are they recruited off of the homeworld? I remember reading in a Space Wolf novel that they didn't turn everyone into walking robots or something but I may be wrong, it was a while since I read some of their books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 Apologies if I overlooked this but what would the chapters' views be on those who crew their ships? I imagine that they would be given alot more respect than other chapters might do because of their work and how much the chapter relies on ships. Also are the crew members merely servitors or are they recruited off of the homeworld? I remember reading in a Space Wolf novel that they didn't turn everyone into walking robots or something but I may be wrong, it was a while since I read some of their books. No this hasn't been mentioned before, but it is something I've been thinking about. Indeed I feel like the astartes of this chapter would have a great deal of respect for their ship crews and they would be mostly regular humans with a few servitors made from those who comited some sort of transgression. I think taking all the crew members from their homeworld would be a bit of a stretch since the population of the world is quite small, considering its and oceanic deaeth world, so perhabs whenever they dock on an imperial world a quartermaster goes ashore to recruit crew members if needed. So while there are a some Nuhmai (the people from their homeworld), some of the crew members may be ex-imperial navy, ex-imperial guard, people from all sorts of worlds and classes. I think the chapters behaviour towards the people of their homeworld would be similar to how the salamanders treat the people of nocturne, as kinsmen, since they have the same culture and primitive beliefs. However towards outsiders on the crew the astartes would probablu view them with indiference, unless they have been on the ships crew for some serious time. After all, a crew sticks together for the sake of all. That, atleast, is how I view the ships mortal crews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 As Cthulhu resembles a Kraken (giant squid) instead of a Leviathan (whale), we can say the Marines view themselves as the Emperor's wolfhounds, i.e., monsters His Immortal Majesty bred and raised to hunt down and destroy other monsters. It makes sense a Chapter created to counter a squid-like entity's evil, would adopt the name of a beast that hunts and eats squids- specifically, the sperm whale. (Wikipedia also refers to the sperm whale as "cachalot," a term apparently derived from the French word for "big tooth." The name can easily be reused for the Chapter's relic weapons- maybe a C'tan weapon, as its creator also hates the Warp and its denizens?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 For those crew members pulled from other worlds, what about press-ganging? It's an old naval practice one could easily assume is heavily utilized by the Imperium. Whenever a Chapter ship docks, perhaps only at those worlds where they have impressment rights, ship armsmen will go out and drag aboard the criminal, the unwanted, the destitute. Adds a little grim to the Chapter, but still has plenty of room for respect and admiration. Each of these ships would have a sizable officer corps that would be fully deserving of the trust placed upon them, highly skilled and capable men and women who oversee and perform countless tasks necessary to the running of a space-capable war vessel. But there would also be quite a bit more to the crew than the officers, and press ganging would explain where they all came from. There could of course be some overlap, if the Chapter rewards capability over blood. Nothing would stop the mortal captain of the Chapter's flagship from having been press-ganged into service as a child, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Here's a thought: If the Chapter is going to have a little bit of Moby Dick/Whaling influence to it... how about Ursus Claws (or something similar)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Here's a thought: If the Chapter is going to have a little bit of Moby Dick/Whaling influence to it... how about Ursus Claws (or something similar)? Are you referring to the harpoons mounted on the Conqueror (Angron's flagship)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 As Cthulhu resembles a Kraken (giant squid) instead of a Leviathan (whale), we can say the Marines view themselves as the Emperor's wolfhounds, i.e., monsters His Immortal Majesty bred and raised to hunt down and destroy other monsters. It makes sense a Chapter created to counter a squid-like entity's evil, would adopt the name of a beast that hunts and eats squids- specifically, the sperm whale. (Wikipedia also refers to the sperm whale as "cachalot," a term apparently derived from the French word for "big tooth." The name can easily be reused for the Chapter's relic weapons- maybe a C'tan weapon, as its creator also hates the Warp and its denizens?) It's a nice idea, but in the 41st millenium just how many people even remember the sperm whale? Although I guess the idea itself could still be used, perhabs the leviathans of the chapters homeworlds have less to do with whales and more with some giant predator that hunts the worlds giant squids and as such seem like the nemesis of the Cthulhu like warp being. But I do see what you mean, with the chapter being as you said, monsters bred and raised for the hunt of monsters, which I guess could help specify the chapter as xenos hunting specialists, especially after the appearance of the tyranids, following the hive fleets closely to destroy them and protect imperial trading routes. This would make for a pretty cool description of a leviathan: http://orig12.deviantart.net/91e0/f/2015/260/a/d/leviathan_by_mrnepa-d99yxyy.jpg And speaking of the chapters name and the why to the name I thought of another chapter badge or atleast something similar, a bit more agresive looking perhabs: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Seljord_komm.svg/2000px-Seljord_komm.svg.png For those crew members pulled from other worlds, what about press-ganging? It's an old naval practice one could easily assume is heavily utilized by the Imperium. Whenever a Chapter ship docks, perhaps only at those worlds where they have impressment rights, ship armsmen will go out and drag aboard the criminal, the unwanted, the destitute. Adds a little grim to the Chapter, but still has plenty of room for respect and admiration. Each of these ships would have a sizable officer corps that would be fully deserving of the trust placed upon them, highly skilled and capable men and women who oversee and perform countless tasks necessary to the running of a space-capable war vessel. But there would also be quite a bit more to the crew than the officers, and press ganging would explain where they all came from. There could of course be some overlap, if the Chapter rewards capability over blood. Nothing would stop the mortal captain of the Chapter's flagship from having been press-ganged into service as a child, for example. Good idea, it would add some character too having criminals among the crew and I doubt any criminal would rebel knowing a squadron of astartes are onboard the ship and the kind of retribution that would follow their treachery. Here's a thought: If the Chapter is going to have a little bit of Moby Dick/Whaling influence to it... how about Ursus Claws (or something similar)? Ah, I had not thought of that. It could be a good idea. I recall in the series Firefly that the reavers had some sort of EMP weapon that destroyed their targets electrical systems (it's been a while since I saw Firefly so I might be a bit mistaken on how exactly it was supposed to work), effectively shutting down their engines. Something like that could be used by the chapter to stop enemy ships so they can board them easily and prevent them from turning and fleeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Here's a thought: If the Chapter is going to have a little bit of Moby Dick/Whaling influence to it... how about Ursus Claws (or something similar)?Ah, I had not thought of that. It could be a good idea. I recall in the series Firefly that the reavers had some sort of EMP weapon that destroyed their targets electrical systems (it's been a while since I saw Firefly so I might be a bit mistaken on how exactly it was supposed to work), effectively shutting down their engines. Something like that could be used by the chapter to stop enemy ships so they can board them easily and prevent them from turning and fleeing. The Reavers do use EMP weapons, but they also use grapnels to stop ships, so you could use something similar in either case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 Here's a thought: If the Chapter is going to have a little bit of Moby Dick/Whaling influence to it... how about Ursus Claws (or something similar)?Ah, I had not thought of that. It could be a good idea. I recall in the series Firefly that the reavers had some sort of EMP weapon that destroyed their targets electrical systems (it's been a while since I saw Firefly so I might be a bit mistaken on how exactly it was supposed to work), effectively shutting down their engines. Something like that could be used by the chapter to stop enemy ships so they can board them easily and prevent them from turning and fleeing. The Reavers do use EMP weapons, but they also use grapnels to stop ships, so you could use something similar in either case Some ships with EMP lances and others with grapnels/hooks. So some swarm around bombarding the enemies and destroying their engines while others then pull them towards the main fleet. Kind of like how squids hunt, grapping their food, immobiling it and then pulling towards their beaks, now that I think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Here's a thought: If the Chapter is going to have a little bit of Moby Dick/Whaling influence to it... how about Ursus Claws (or something similar)? Are you referring to the harpoons mounted on the Conqueror (Angron's flagship)? Yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 As Cthulhu resembles a Kraken (giant squid) instead of a Leviathan (whale), we can say the Marines view themselves as the Emperor's wolfhounds, i.e., monsters His Immortal Majesty bred and raised to hunt down and destroy other monsters. It makes sense a Chapter created to counter a squid-like entity's evil, would adopt the name of a beast that hunts and eats squids- specifically, the sperm whale. (Wikipedia also refers to the sperm whale as "cachalot," a term apparently derived from the French word for "big tooth." The name can easily be reused for the Chapter's relic weapons- maybe a C'tan weapon, as its creator also hates the Warp and its denizens?) It's a nice idea, but in the 41st millenium just how many people even remember the sperm whale? They have aurochs on Fenris- Russ and the Emperor feasted on them during their first challenge- so a sperm whale-like animal can easily exist in the Imperium. (The aurochs became extinct in 627M2, but I presume humanity had the genetic engineering technology to recreate the aurochs and other extinct animals, during the Dark Age of Technology.) They may not refer to the sperm whales as "sperm whales," though. "Leviathan" is certainly an acceptable alternate name- one used for an extinct relative as of 16M3- as are Charybdis and the previously suggested cachalot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minigiant Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 So this chapter idea has got my creative juices going so I have had a few ideas What about Maxmini Biohazard heads? They have a real diving bell feeling to them http://maxmini.eu/image/cache/data/products/bits/MXMCB048_biohazardheads-441x315.jpg What about them weilding trident versions of the Adeptus Custodes Guardian Spears? Now my final thought was vehicles, should they have ancient tech in the form of anti-grav rhinos etc? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LlvYMM-qum0/TuDFSKaDvhI/AAAAAAAAAtQ/T1Lg4LaVAyo/s1600/002.JPG To me if they are in and around water, it would be the easiest way to move around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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